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Post by Munroe on Apr 8, 2009 20:01:56 GMT -5
I enjoy PvP if I have a fair chance of winning.
And I LOVE when I have one of those experiences where my hands start shaking. I've been in some RP situations that were actually intense like that too.
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Post by Munroe on Apr 8, 2009 20:11:30 GMT -5
Also, more than I enjoy PvP, I very much enjoy the threat of PvP.
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Post by Grozer on Apr 8, 2009 20:19:11 GMT -5
Also, more than I enjoy PvP, I very much enjoy the threat of PvP. Alright I will have to remember that and have Ranan stalk Lydia now... hehe. |
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Post by Munroe on Apr 8, 2009 21:32:57 GMT -5
Also, more than I enjoy PvP, I very much enjoy the threat of PvP. Alright I will have to remember that and have Ranan stalk Lydia now... hehe. See previous point about the fair chance of winning. Maybe have Logan stalk her instead. |
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Post by Grimnir Gurnison on Apr 8, 2009 22:34:13 GMT -5
Munroe it still wouldn't be fair as Logan would peel his vest off then strike a pose that would stun Lydia and possibly kill her instantly. ;D I've heard the sight of his chest doesn't allow saves.
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 8, 2009 23:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by Munroe on Apr 8, 2009 23:28:55 GMT -5
Munroe it still wouldn't be fair as Logan would peel his vest off then strike a pose that would stun Lydia and possibly kill her instantly. ;D I've heard the sight of his chest doesn't allow saves. He wears shirts? I can't remember seeing him with a shirt. Wear sunglasses. Anyone stalking Lydia should wear sunglasses. |
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Post by Lokarn on Apr 9, 2009 10:32:35 GMT -5
I enjoy PvP.... who wants to fight AI that ALWAYS reacts the same way every time? That's not very challenging, nor is it hard.
That shaking feeling you get, is called adrenaline, it's this neat thing our body produces as a boost of energy when we feel like we are about to be challenged.
How many times have your hands started shaking from fighting an NPC?
Also.... when a DM takes over a monster, that is essentially PvP.
The only difference is you usually know what that monster is capable of, and you might not have a clue what a PC is capable of.
It's the element of uncertainty that makes PvP exciting.
I would also point out that just because someone partakes in PvP does not mean they are some evil person, or that they are mean... fighting IS a real part of the fantasy world, and it happens.
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Post by irene on Apr 9, 2009 11:01:48 GMT -5
Reina has been in PvP four times altogether, during almost 2 years of play. She's lost all four. She also did not have a chance to win either of them, either because of numbers against her, or levels above her.
I can't say I thought any of them very funny, and I've never felt I had to force PvP on a lower level, though it has been close.
It's part of the game, sometimes a necessary part of the rp, but not something I particularly enjoy.
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Post by ancientempathy on Apr 9, 2009 11:20:25 GMT -5
Ok, I think we're derailing this too much. I'm going to start this off by saying that I'm setting my position as a DM aside for a moment to say something that I feel I should say as a player to other players. This is by no means a DM ruling or anything of the sort. It is an attempt to ensure that we try to stick to the spirit of things. First impressions are important. They tend to stick. A new player here, still learning the ropes of roleplaying might be overwhelmed by some of the things he or she sees or has to contend with. Perhaps a person is familiar with roleplaying joins FRC and logs in to see some of the things that go on in Isinhold for the first time. From the things I have seen while playing lately, it would be enough to convince me not to log in again. Ever. I want to take a second to try to remind people that Isinhold is intended to cater to lower-level players. It is meant to ease them into the style and spirit of the server with challenges that meet their level and with other PCs that they can party, or even fight against. It is not a feuding grounds for high-level bullys to fight each other and harass the low-level players. How would you feel if you logged in for the first time to be greeted by a level 20 wizard threatening to turn you into a living, screaming torch? Or a level 24 cleric telling you to leave or risk being pulled limb from limb? You would probably get a very bad first impression of the server. Its a place that encourages you at level one to start leveling up so -you- can be the bully or fight the bully instead of roleplaying. Or it makes you think that sort of behavior is the essence of the server and encourages you to log out and not come back. But this doesn't always apply to evil player characters either. There are the good-aligned ones that go into town seeking out fights with the evil PCs. Its just as bad. Do these high-level, god-like PCs really have nothing better to do with their time and power than stand in front of the inn shouting curses and offering threats to everyone they can? I would certainly hope not, because if that's the case, I can honestly say that they do not deserve the levels they have. They are a joke. I really must urge these high-level players to start wandering out of the starting town. Isinhold is too small for your ambitions. And it is certainly too small for you or your character's ego. Let the low-level players take it back and use it the way it was intended to be used. Am I saying that high-level players shouldn't venture into Isinhold? Certainly not. But I am saying that I think they should leave the petty crap elsewhere because Isinhold wasn't built to cater to their egos, it was built as a starting ground for low-level players. The best way they can contribute there is to try to offer the best first impression of the server they can. If you and your character are not able to fill that critirea, then I am begging you as a fellow player to stay out of Isinhold. |
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Post by shallice on Apr 12, 2009 1:40:39 GMT -5
This last incident is the one that made me go I am taking a break. A player was bad mouthing Phelzaron RP wise and I had no clue and was doing so using rumor and hearsay to try and convince a few other characters of how evil Phelzaron was. All fine and dandy but now this character is in the great social game as it were and skull duggery could have consequences RP wise. Well this player made an obvious attempt to pull away the very people I was talking to so I grew suspicious toggled the just the party involved hostile because I was tired of the OOC complaints of an entire server hostile. I then walked away from town went into greater sanctuary and listened in on the conversation, and it was about me. During their secret meeting about me the player started to say OOC outloud I was picking on her and toggled just her hostile for no reason. The other two players corrected her and said they were toggled hostile as well. The players still was not happy but she dropped it and so I ignored her and let the conversation continue. I had removed the entire group from hostile after I dispelled my greater sanctuary. Well later back in the town square I revealed that I knew what the character was up to and that Phelzaron did not appreciate it. I walked up to the player and whispered I know what your doing and I do not trust you. Thats all I did. The player then types in open chat. "//Do not make me auto attack you I do not want to PvP" For me that came way out of left field. I was like what? Well then the player sends me tells telling me Epics do not belong in Isinhold and what was I doing there. This is quite a common theme I noticed and cut through the argument I finally said to the square of people which there was over 10 when the player pulled that stunt. Scratch me ever being there and walked away. The player was upset that RP wise she got caught bad mouthing Phelzaron and took it ooc to avoid any consequence of the characters own actions. There were other minor things like that but I think everyone gets the gist here of my First Impressions since I have been back. What I have noticed after all this is a disturbing trend of lowbies to consider this original thread and its spirit as a free license to do and say whatever they want RP wise to epics. Look here if your character is dumb enough to say how you doing Phelzaron the corpse humper? Then shoot off at the mouth and publicly attempt to verbally abuse him and make him lose face and think OOC wise you can get away with it by whining he is epic and I am just a lowbie. I got news for you, from now on I am going to put lowbie guts all over Isinhold I am going to decorate my home with your entrails and paint with your blood. Hiding behind the spirit of this threads intentions and me as a good players intentions to try and be fair with this thread gives you NO right to abuse it OOC to make your RP fantasies come true. Point blank you want to tangle with the big boys then be prepared to back it up, cause eventually your going to talk to talk to the wrong epic. Phelzaron is a VILLIAN everyone knows he hates being publicly disrespected and if you come packing your RP bravery this little First Impressions thread no longer protects you ooc. Stop abusing this semi form of protection for your own ends cause this is one player that is from now on going to observe the ACTUAL RULES and not a bunch of player whining and jealousy over epics. First of all, nobody was badmouthing your character. I dont know what kind of ooc tells your friend sent you that made you feel you had to come spying IC, but nobody ever called you evil or said anything untrue about you. What happend was that a follower of Solonor came to a cleric of Solonor, concerned that his girlfriend was being oddly friendly with a man he knew worshipped a god that was an enemy of Solonor and that he was involved in unatural things concerning the dead. The cleric didnt really want to be involved in the situation at all but was basicly told it was he duty to tell this girl about how followers of this evil god shouldnt be trusted or be treated like a friend. The cleric did however point out that there was nothing wrong in being polite and attacking people was out of the question as this was their way and not our way. The cleric did never say anything personal about your character because the only information the cleric had IC as well as OOC was that you were a follower of an evil god that stands for something unatural (necromancy) and this is bad in elven eyes. So far so good. Then the cleric is suddenly put on hostile for no reason at all and asks the others ooc what is going on, gets an explanation its because of a spell, and carries on the conversation. So far all good then comes the ranting part. We walk back to the centre of town to gather some people to go out hunting gnolls. The man in black is suddenly there, still hostile, still chatting away with the girlfriend and starting to make acccusations about the cleric all of the sudden...saying she is spreading lies and rumours. Its a lie and rumor that he follows an evil god and this man shouldnt be trusted? The way he goes on makes it sound like she had been telling people he eats little girls for lunch wearing a pink tutu or something. He keeps ranting on his accusations and goes over to subtle treats of how the cleric should watch her back and nobody is safe and so on...and the cleric notices he still has her on hostile. The he suddenly goes all close to the cleric, and she warns him ooc not to go so close because that will provoke an attack of opportunity when he has her put on hostile and the cleric has no wish of pvping him, meaning if he wants to kill her he should be the one to land the first blow in he really has to and not trying to provoke an attack of ooportunity so it will look IC like she is the one starting the fight. Thats when you started sending me angry tells about how it was against the rules to say things ooc (depite using // appearantly) and how you would report this and get me banned. I told you I was new to the server and that I was used to people doing the kind of metagaming on me from other servers to provoke attacks of opportunity so that was why I had warned you ooc in case you werent aware that being hostile and walking close to someone could indeed cause an unwilling attack. Then later I heard you told your friend how I was sending you a lot of crap tells. In fact you were the one sending me a lot of angry tells and I was simply answering you. I took screenshot in case you dont believe it. I never ever said anything about epics not being allowed in the town or that you had no right to kill me. I said I didnt want you to provoke an attack of opportunity because that would make me look like a suicidal maniac. I just wanted to let this whole thing go and forget it but was told you posted about it so I thought then I might as well tell my side of it too. I have no wish to dig more into this silly episode, it was clearly a misunderstanding of gigantic porportions and you were not the only one hurt here. I almost quit that day and was all in tears for real because I have seldom been treated that hostile both IC and OOC at the same time ever in my life. So there you have my rant. |
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Post by soulfien on Apr 12, 2009 2:33:35 GMT -5
I like PVP except when I'm getting killed in a single round by a roge who jumps out of the shadows and slays me. Or when someone 3 times my lvl comes from nowhere and *WHAM* dead.... That's not PVP. That's just getting killed  Which is all good, I suppose if RP caused it... it's just not any fun. That's the worst.... I'm with Monroe.. as long as there's an actual fight... I'm all for it... |
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Post by soulfien on Apr 12, 2009 2:35:44 GMT -5
sounds like this was a huge misunderstanding.....
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Post by Munroe on Apr 12, 2009 3:20:06 GMT -5
I told you I was new to the server and that I was used to people doing the kind of metagaming on me from other servers to provoke attacks of opportunity so that was why I had warned you ooc in case you werent aware that being hostile and walking close to someone could indeed cause an unwilling attack. Everything else aside, the trick to not taking involuntary AoOs is to put yourself into Parry mode. Then your character won't attack unless attacked, and even then only if your parry roll beats the attack roll by 10 or more. Just a useful tip. Taunt may cause you to come out of parry mode, I haven't tested that, but the taunt ability should be treated as an attack anyway. Anyway, if you're standing beside of something hostile, parry mode. |
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Post by Haydena on Apr 12, 2009 3:56:07 GMT -5
I think, rather than carrying this on publicly, if people have problems then they should send the necessary logs/screenshots to the DMs? Especially if they're unhappy with stuff being said in tells. Otherwise, it probably is best just to move on and put that behind you.
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Post by wblackspur on Apr 12, 2009 4:32:31 GMT -5
Thanks fer the tip, Munroe. THAT is VERY useful info.
Blackspur
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Post by Munroe on Apr 12, 2009 4:56:36 GMT -5
Thanks fer the tip, Munroe. THAT is VERY useful info. Blackspur More useful in RP with a hostile target than in combat with hostile AI that doesn't see you since I believe moving causes Parry Mode to end. (Been a LONG time since I've used Parry Mode.) |
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 12, 2009 18:59:52 GMT -5
I think, rather than carrying this on publicly, if people have problems then they should send the necessary logs/screenshots to the DMs? Especially if they're unhappy with stuff being said in tells. Otherwise, it probably is best just to move on and put that behind you. Thank you. |
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Which is all good, I suppose if RP caused it... it's just not any fun.