First Impressions

[Deleted]

Good Post SCJ. However, i have to disagree with it at times.

Yes, a few kind words and explanations do go along way. However, it is also polite to give a few kind words when asking X player why they have hostiled you.

I oftens set the entire server to hostile when i am using sanctuary. And when i do a get a variety of tells of various people. Some of them are pretty funny and make me laugh my ass off. Others are not so fun. I have had tells that range from 'BRING IT ON!!!!' which is a funny tell. And then i have had 'You wouldn't dare kill my character. *Insert whatever reason the player wants to give here*. And then i have had damn right rude tells demanding to know why i flipped the switch.

So, my point, well. . .if you want to know something then be polite and courteous in the tell asking. That will almost always guarantee you receieve a polite and courteous answer in response. However, if your tell is rude you can be your bottom dollar you are going to get a snarky reply or just blatantly ignored.

And i do hope this does not look like a case of Meitus. What i am trying to say is that all players should be polite and courteous to each other. Treat others as you would want them to treat you. . .

~Sio

[Hackmaster]

Ok I am forced to finally rant,

I have been under attack three separate times since my return over being in Isinhold and being epic and enough is enough. This last time was enough to keep me off FRC on a self imposed 2 week break to cool off. I finally read this whole thread and figured out this is the very thread that got this crap started. Now don't get me wrong, I think the spirit of what this thread was started for is great. Epics should give lowbies a chance to develop and not be so in the face all the time. This is true in the sense Epic goods are often looked to to solve trouble to much by the lower levels if they are around and in the case of villains an epic villain can be a very intimidating character especially if they are aggressive PvP types.

So the spirit of this suggestion is a good one, but some people are abusing the spirit of this suggestion ooc and I am more then tired of it.

First thing people who are insisting of telling me about this Epics should not be in Isinhold. This is NOT a rule. If any epic wishes to be in Isinhold for whatever reason they need at the time. Most often it is RP related occasionally it is because they are bored alone in the great big world of FRC and they hope to catch someone they know going through town.

If this ever became a rule this would cease to be a true RP server.

When I first seen this thread back the first time I was attacked about this I took it to mean this is a thread new people had about first impressions on the server and the guy who attacked me the first time about this posted here. I figured this was because his first impression was of meeting me.

That sounds bad at first but the facts was I never attacked or bullied anyone that day, not a single person. He posted all that trash over one thing. He was toggled hostile and instantly thought it was to single him out. After about 10 minutes of him being very hostile in tells towards me while I tried the whole time to explain the rules to him I finally told him to please take it to a DM I was not going to continue the pointless argument.

Well I assume he did take it to a DM and several other players as well, he was just the most vocal out of about 10 that were annoyed I had them on hostile. I toggled the whole server that night in case I needed to react. At the time I had a room full of people act like they might kill me on the spot in Suzail. I was indeed not even IN Isinhold but I fled there hoping to meet up with people I actually knew.

Now to my mind I was thinking, hopefully he will talk to a DM and all will be fine, he and the others will finally realize it does NOT mean you will be attacked and will be guided to the rule for PvP engagement on getting toggled hostile like I tried to do numerous times myself. "The response I kept getting back by the way was I KNOW the rules and you are not following them. If I don't want to PvP then you cannot attack me!" My response was first off, I have no intention of attacking you I don't even know who, or where your character is. Second, actually yeah, if I had a good RP reason to attack you I could in fact do just that please talk to a DM who can help straighten this out.

So, I am now minding my own business again standing next to two epics that were 5 levels higher then my self had been in town for far longer then I had, in fact I had been in town maybe 20 minutes and all that time was devoted to tells with irate players over being toggled hostile. A DM does approach me. The DM asks me to leave town. Whoa wait...what? "Well technically you are in the right and have broken no rules"

I'll just stop the conversation right there. Needless to say when the conversation was over I left town and was very let down that I was not supported. I was thinking all this over the fact people were toggled hostile? This is an OOC game mechanic what the hell is going on here? What it came down to was, I was epic, they were not, the ones complaining to me at least several gave the DM a headache or worse the DM agreed with these people and choose to side with them instead of the rules and by the way these people were never told the rules because they have done it since then or chose not to listen to the DM if they in fact pointed the rules out.

Regardless the DM came to me, asked me to leave as a favor and I did though I felt very let down. Even though I never spoke to anyone while there RP wise. I did not do anything. I take that back I said one line to one person while there to a person that was not complaining they were toggled hostile. By the way several told me that this was a rule when sending me tells and that it was on the forums but not one would tell me where so I could look the rule up. Believe me I tried because I realized well...maybe it was a rule, I been gone a year.

The DM in fact confirmed for me it was not a rule but I got the impression they believed it should be and asked me to go away anyways. Saying epics should not be in Isinhold for long, though 2 epics stood right beside me at the time been there way longer then myself and were many levels above me and were NOT asked to leave...just me...cause I toggled people hostile, that was my offense for all this stink. Later the guy who very aggressively and hostile argued with me IG in tells and got a DM to side with him ignoring the actual rules went even further and posted in this thread publicly my name saying I toggled him hostile and WAITED!?! for him in Isinhold to kill him. You can go back to those posts to see how that went...

Ok, I am just gunna skip the second incident cause it was far more tame then the first and much the same. To sum up players telling me I had no business being epic and in Isinhold and what was I doing there. That time I had nobody toggled hostile, what happened then was a group of players thought it a good idea to RP verbally abusing Phelzaron as a group. Which was fine but when I began my retorts and this went back and forth for a few minutes I started receiving tells saying I was breaking the rules of Epics in Isinhold and was bullying them. I....was...bullying them? A group of PC's decide to get verbally abusive to a character that never said anything to them, it was just over me being a Necromancer which was fine, they chose to engage in a RP verbal spar. They did not like the RP back and took it OOC to me. That sums it up.

This last incident is the one that made me go I am taking a break. A player was bad mouthing Phelzaron RP wise and I had no clue and was doing so using rumor and hearsay to try and convince a few other characters of how evil Phelzaron was. All fine and dandy but now this character is in the great social game as it were and skull duggery could have consequences RP wise. Well this player made an obvious attempt to pull away the very people I was talking to so I grew suspicious toggled the just the party involved hostile because I was tired of the OOC complaints of an entire server hostile. I then walked away from town went into greater sanctuary and listened in on the conversation, and it was about me. During their secret meeting about me the player started to say OOC outloud I was picking on her and toggled just her hostile for no reason. The other two players corrected her and said they were toggled hostile as well. The players still was not happy but she dropped it and so I ignored her and let the conversation continue.

I had removed the entire group from hostile after I dispelled my greater sanctuary. Well later back in the town square I revealed that I knew what the character was up to and that Phelzaron did not appreciate it. I walked up to the player and whispered I know what your doing and I do not trust you. Thats all I did. The player then types in open chat. "//Do not make me auto attack you I do not want to PvP" For me that came way out of left field. I was like what?

Well then the player sends me tells telling me Epics do not belong in Isinhold and what was I doing there. This is quite a common theme I noticed and cut through the argument I finally said to the square of people which there was over 10 when the player pulled that stunt. Scratch me ever being there and walked away.

The player was upset that RP wise she got caught bad mouthing Phelzaron and took it ooc to avoid any consequence of the characters own actions.

There were other minor things like that but I think everyone gets the gist here of my First Impressions since I have been back.

What I have noticed after all this is a disturbing trend of lowbies to consider this original thread and its spirit as a free license to do and say whatever they want RP wise to epics. Look here if your character is dumb enough to say how you doing Phelzaron the corpse humper? Then shoot off at the mouth and publicly attempt to verbally abuse him and make him lose face and think OOC wise you can get away with it by whining he is epic and I am just a lowbie. I got news for you, from now on I am going to put lowbie guts all over Isinhold I am going to decorate my home with your entrails and paint with your blood.

Hiding behind the spirit of this threads intentions and me as a good players intentions to try and be fair with this thread gives you NO right to abuse it OOC to make your RP fantasies come true. Point blank you want to tangle with the big boys then be prepared to back it up, cause eventually your going to talk to talk to the wrong epic. Phelzaron is a VILLIAN everyone knows he hates being publicly disrespected and if you come packing your RP bravery this little First Impressions thread no longer protects you ooc. Stop abusing this semi form of protection for your own ends cause this is one player that is from now on going to observe the ACTUAL RULES and not a bunch of player whining and jealousy over epics.

Nuff said.

[Grozer]

Well "rambled" Phel... I agree 100%. Its important to reiterate dont expect to hide behind a rule if you are going to piss off the wrong person.... -in character-.

[EDM Entori]

I read that whole thing.. I feel for you.

but pm sent

[Dachshund]

Everything Hackmaster said is true.

For reference, here are the PVP Rules and Guidelines.

FRC is a FULL PVP Server.

[soulfien]

here here, Phelzaron!

I agree.

[NHmikey]

That whole deal with people getting offended and reacting over being toggled hostile is just crap.....

My character has been toggled hostile more times than I can count and 95% of the time it has been from greater sanctuary.

There have been about 6 times where I was toggled hostile but had no legitimate rp reason to know I was going to take it in the head so I just kept walking or standing or whatever I was doing. Not once did I throw up a shield, start buffing, or anything else. Just waited for the shoe to drop.

Once out of the 6 times Celithiril has been murdered was i asked prior to the attack if it was ok.

Exactly 0 times have I responded in some sort of OOC fashion about being attacked.

People need to just deal with it. I totally understand "Phel's" rant!

[EDM Neo]

Apr 6, 2009 11:07:28 GMT -5 Hackmaster said:

I had removed the entire group from hostile after I dispelled my greater sanctuary. Well later back in the town square I revealed that I knew what the character was up to and that Phelzaron did not appreciate it. I walked up to the player and whispered I know what your doing and I do not trust you. Thats all I did. The player then types in open chat. "//Do not make me auto attack you I do not want to PvP" For me that came way out of left field. I was like what?

Not commenting on the rest of it, but, just clarifying, since I'm not sure if there was a misunderstanding or something... I wasn't directly involved in this incident, but having witnessed it, the player seemed to have been concerned about getting an accidental attack of opportunity or misclick on Phelzaron, and starting PvP unintentionally.

This isn't much of a risk just standing around town normally, but it is when hostile, because then you automatically punch anyone who, while next to you, drinks a potion, casts a spell, runs, or anything else along those lines.

[brian333]

The guideline is there to prevent epic PC's from taking over the lowbie quests and events, and to prevent the lowbies from being cannon-fodder in the epic's wars between themselves.

I have been a player of a low-level while epics were battling in Isinhold. I once played a three hour sesssion in which I walked out of the door of the inn, got one-hit-killed by a PC who just happened to notice me there, and then I just laid there for the rest of the gaming session. This was a three-hour period which I was forced to either endure or logoff, because the only area available for my PC to play in was being used by those for whom my PC was a speedbump.

I have been in Isinhold when an event started and was taken over by epics, which then forced the DM to spawn stuff none of the original party could even approach, much less had a hope to defeat. My low-level PC became irrelevant in an event which was originally intended for characters of my level. When an epic can walk in and take over an event, lowbie PC's feel like extras in a Cecil B. DeMille production rather than lead characters in their own right.

I was one of the whiners who called for Epics to move along to more Epic-worthy challenges in places where lowbies couldn't go, and to leave the only place suitable for lowbies to the lowbies.

I still think it's a good idea in general. I don't mind epics hanging out there, or selling junk or whatever they want to do, so long as they leave the lowbie quests and events to the lowbies, and so long as they don't turn Balor summons loose on the poor PC who's sole magical item is a Rod of Frost he just found in the ruins.

However, I have no idea why a lowbie thinks it's okay to engage an epic PC, either directly or indirectly, without consequence. This just goes against the rules of fairness. If a PC badmouths Phelzaron, he should be willing to deal with any consequences, and a DM should feel free to tell him, "You asked for it!" when he goes whining to the DM.

As a player I have confronted epic PC's with my lowbie PC's several times. (I'm not too bright, I think levels don't matter in RP!) In each and every case I was prepared to pay the full price for my actions.

If an epic innitiated the confrontation, I would expect him to leave me an out, but then I would have to be smart enough to take the out. If Phelzaron says, "If you say another word I shall display your entrails as a warning to idiots everywhere," I would take the hint and shut up, or I would expect him to carry out his threat. If I then continue to talk, what follows is my own problem, and an appeal to a DM should end with, "Well, he gave you a chance, you didn't take it. Sucks to be you!"

Bullying, either epics using the engine to intimidate lowbies, or lowbies abusing the rulebook to infringe on the play of epics, is a sad thing. It should never be tolerated because it leads to a sense of entitlement to bully. This is exactly what the guideline was made to prevent!




I used to get upset about the toggling to hostile: I would 'tell' questions like, "What did I ever do to deserve this?" I have since learned it's a mechanical thing, to allow proper functioning of spells in case I happen to be in the blast-radius of a hellball, for example.

Something I occasionally do now, which may not be right according to the rules:
If a PC sets me to hostile and I have no idea who or why, I sometimes set myself back to like. First, this tells the other player I'm not interested in PvP. Second, it tells him I'm not going to be in his way or take any action regarding his current situation. He can continue with his plans and I will leave him alone if he leaves me alone. But, I then have to honor the bargain: If I do this and then get involved in PvP witht he PC or his party it would clearly be exploiting the engine.

I don't even 'tell' the playerwhen I do this. I assume he's got other things on his mind. If he 'tells' me back saying I shouldn't do that I might explain my situation and intentions, or even ask, "Where should I not be to avoid getting mixed up in this?" I've never had a bad reaction from a player while doing this, typically I'm ignored, and this is what I aim for anyway!

[Teneas]

I agree totally as well....people whine to much.

[guest]

I remeber when I was a low level fellow who played with the big boys and basically stole a huge sum of gold from both the Harpers and the Banites. I "expected" to be killed. I basically was always on the lookout and constantly toggled to hostile by Ranan...Padrin...and several others.


I did not whine about it as I did it to myself. And they had every right to try and kill me. I think I even fought Phel a few times the bat dung throwing wienie of a mage.

This author of this excellent post on role-playing is Reana Talons, who plays on another server. I've reproduced the post here with permission.

Choose a character and stick with it.

You will never distinguish your character by what they can do.

It doesn't matter how much strength you have or what level you are or what abilities you have. It all means nothing, because anyone can do those same things if they choose.

What distinguishes your character is how they are known.

Respect other players.

Remember that despite what characters say and do. There is another person behind that mask whom you do not know.

This person puts hours, weeks, and months into his or her character just as you do. Each piece of equipment they own and all the exp they earn, is all paid for with that time.

If you steal or kill another player make sure that you are earning the right to do so. [glow=red,2,300]Make sure that you are returning the time that player has lost to them in entertainment value.[/glow] Do not cheapen the loss of their XP or goods by doing it OOC. That only makes the other player feel that they have wasted their time in acquiring what they have.

If for any moment people feel they are wasting their time then they will have bad feelings and leave.

To evil or amoral characters

The above applies especially to you. Being an evil character or PvP character carries with it the responsibility to ensure that you are providing an entertaining time to the players whose characters you are working against.

You must be almost like a DM in that you must be fair in the degree you play your character.

Hunting newbies is not fair. It offers no challenge for a new player to overcome because they haven't a chance. That is not fun for a player.

Do not bring IC things into OOC

Do not say and do things that are OOC if they could be considered combative, cruel, or hurtful. If you are OOC then it is as good as saying or doing those things actually to another player. That is not in game. It is one person abusing another.

[Munroe]

Apr 6, 2009 12:38:11 GMT -5 brian333 said:

Something I occasionally do now, which may not be right according to the rules:
If a PC sets me to hostile and I have no idea who or why, I sometimes set myself back to like. First, this tells the other player I'm not interested in PvP. Second, it tells him I'm not going to be in his way or take any action regarding his current situation. He can continue with his plans and I will leave him alone if he leaves me alone. But, I then have to honor the bargain: If I do this and then get involved in PvP witht he PC or his party it would clearly be exploiting the engine.

I don't even 'tell' the playerwhen I do this. I assume he's got other things on his mind. If he 'tells' me back saying I shouldn't do that I might explain my situation and intentions, or even ask, "Where should I not be to avoid getting mixed up in this?" I've never had a bad reaction from a player while doing this, typically I'm ignored, and this is what I aim for anyway!

You really shouldn't be doing that. The MAIN two reasons characters toggle you hostile when they don't plan to attack you and you're nowhere near them is because 1.) They can't predict whether you will walk into a situation where they are in PVP. 2.) Greater Sanctuary only works against hostile targets. If you are not hostile to them, their Greater Sanctuary does not work. If they are trying to use Greater Sanctuary, they also are not going to want to tell you OOC that they're trying to spy on you.

Greater Sanctuary is THE primary reason people toggle hostile. It is THE primary reason they toggle the whole server hostile.

I never can resist sending silly messages when people toggle me hostile, like "*Lydia senses that someone somewhere has clicked a button beside her name*" or something to that effect. Well, OK, sometimes I can resist, but other times I do say something. It's never "What? Why do you want to kill me?!" though. I figure whoever just toggled me is getting enough of that.

[Lady Frost]

Apr 6, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5 Munroe said:

Apr 6, 2009 12:38:11 GMT -5 brian333 said:

Something I occasionally do now, which may not be right according to the rules:
If a PC sets me to hostile and I have no idea who or why, I sometimes set myself back to like. First, this tells the other player I'm not interested in PvP. Second, it tells him I'm not going to be in his way or take any action regarding his current situation. He can continue with his plans and I will leave him alone if he leaves me alone. But, I then have to honor the bargain: If I do this and then get involved in PvP witht he PC or his party it would clearly be exploiting the engine.

I don't even 'tell' the playerwhen I do this. I assume he's got other things on his mind. If he 'tells' me back saying I shouldn't do that I might explain my situation and intentions, or even ask, "Where should I not be to avoid getting mixed up in this?" I've never had a bad reaction from a player while doing this, typically I'm ignored, and this is what I aim for anyway!

You really shouldn't be doing that. The MAIN two reasons characters toggle you hostile when they don't plan to attack you and you're nowhere near them is because 1.) They can't predict whether you will walk into a situation where they are in PVP. 2.) Greater Sanctuary only works against hostile targets. If you are not hostile to them, their Greater Sanctuary does not work. If they are trying to use Greater Sanctuary, they also are not going to want to tell you OOC that they're trying to spy on you.

Greater Sanctuary is THE primary reason people toggle hostile. It is THE primary reason they toggle the whole server hostile.

I never can resist sending silly messages when people toggle me hostile, like "*Lydia senses that someone somewhere has clicked a button beside her name*" or something to that effect. Well, OK, sometimes I can resist, but other times I do say something. It's never "What? Why do you want to kill me?!" though. I figure whoever just toggled me is getting enough of that.

I did not think that turning someone back to neutral changed it to neutral for the other person. Only turning someone hostile changes the status for the other person. You would have to log out and back in I believe. Correct?

-Zoe

And I agree 100% as well. You need to take responsibilty for your IC actions IC, not OOC.

[Munroe]

Apr 6, 2009 15:44:26 GMT -5 Lady Frost said:

Apr 6, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5 Munroe said:

You really shouldn't be doing that. The MAIN two reasons characters toggle you hostile when they don't plan to attack you and you're nowhere near them is because 1.) They can't predict whether you will walk into a situation where they are in PVP. 2.) Greater Sanctuary only works against hostile targets. If you are not hostile to them, their Greater Sanctuary does not work. If they are trying to use Greater Sanctuary, they also are not going to want to tell you OOC that they're trying to spy on you.

Greater Sanctuary is THE primary reason people toggle hostile. It is THE primary reason they toggle the whole server hostile.

I never can resist sending silly messages when people toggle me hostile, like "*Lydia senses that someone somewhere has clicked a button beside her name*" or something to that effect. Well, OK, sometimes I can resist, but other times I do say something. It's never "What? Why do you want to kill me?!" though. I figure whoever just toggled me is getting enough of that.

I did not think that turning someone back to neutral changed it to neutral for the other person. Only turning someone hostile changes the status for the other person. You would have to log out and back in I believe. Correct?

-Zoe

And I agree 100% as well. You need to take responsibilty for your IC actions IC, not OOC.

Hmm... Maybe so, in which case the other player has no idea you're not hostile to them anymore and you're only preventing yourself from attacking and/or auto-attacking.

Occasionally I toggle people hostile and back quickly because my game glitches up and they're hostile to me when they're not supposed to be. I haven't figured out why that happens. Usually I send a tell explaining why I toggled them if I do that.

[ashaffer]

Apr 6, 2009 11:07:28 GMT -5 Hackmaster said:

Ok I am forced to finally rant,

I think those players, with low level PCs, who are using this thread as a shield for the consequences of their RP, definitely need to read it again from the beginning...


As I said on May 6th, 2008 in this very thread:

On the other hand, this doesn't give low level characters the right to insult, bully, or threaten high level characters simply because they know they are high level. That is metagaming. There are always consequences to your actions, and it is a stupid person who believes, that simply because they're much lower level than the other character, that they're exempt from whatever consequence that comes from such an interaction. *shrugs*

[EDM Entori]

Apr 6, 2009 15:44:26 GMT -5 Lady Frost said:

Apr 6, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5 Munroe said:

You really shouldn't be doing that. The MAIN two reasons characters toggle you hostile when they don't plan to attack you and you're nowhere near them is because 1.) They can't predict whether you will walk into a situation where they are in PVP. 2.) Greater Sanctuary only works against hostile targets. If you are not hostile to them, their Greater Sanctuary does not work. If they are trying to use Greater Sanctuary, they also are not going to want to tell you OOC that they're trying to spy on you.

Greater Sanctuary is THE primary reason people toggle hostile. It is THE primary reason they toggle the whole server hostile.

I never can resist sending silly messages when people toggle me hostile, like "*Lydia senses that someone somewhere has clicked a button beside her name*" or something to that effect. Well, OK, sometimes I can resist, but other times I do say something. It's never "What? Why do you want to kill me?!" though. I figure whoever just toggled me is getting enough of that.

I did not think that turning someone back to neutral changed it to neutral for the other person. Only turning someone hostile changes the status for the other person. You would have to log out and back in I believe. Correct?

-Zoe

And I agree 100% as well. You need to take responsibilty for your IC actions IC, not OOC.

you are correct

[soulfien]

clicking them off hostile WILL let you see them when sanctuaried.

I've tested this- once when my pc was in pvp and knocked unconscious and thus sanctuaried, the other player couldn't see me to give me a quick healing kit...

Fortunately, this person was my fiancee' and I was able to tell her to click me off of hostile which let her see me and she quickly healed me before I died.

Before the comments roll in, we were in a training exercise where I was training her in spellcasting and things got a bit too bloody and I fell down.

That said, I don't understand the need for greater sanctuary. If you're going invisible to the WHOLE server, why not just cast invisibility? It's a lvl 2 spell vs a lvl 8 spell and is thus easy to extend multiple times.

Anyway.

[Charon's Claw]

If someone casts True Seeing they can cast on you if you are invisible. To attack you while under sanctuary, even if they see you, the sanctuary has to be dispelled.

[soulfien]

So we CAN attack low people if they give us a reason?

Once I had all the reasons in the world to attack 2 half-orcs who were lvl 3 while my druid was lvl 9.

Only to discover the one who said "//You can't attack us, we're lvl 3!!!" was a DM.

I did attack them but didn't kill them. Glenduil summoned his hawk and let it peck one in the face a couple times before unsummoning it and they finally stopped what they were doing and left.

All in all, great RP, but I could have done worse to them, though it was good that it was finally resolved without them dieing.

[Grozer]

The whole point of this thread was to ensure high level PCs didnt ruin the game for low levels, period. It WASNT to make a rule that said you cant PvP unless you are close in level or a rule that forced certain levels away from Isinhold, etc. It was NEVER intended to give low levels a mechansim to hide behind when it came to PvP.

If RP warrants confrontation or PvP then so be it irregarless of level. The ruling hasnt changed to my knowledge.

However that being said I believe its incumbent on the higher level PC NOT to instigate the confrontation nor bully low levels and always give them an out. There is NOTHING that prevents a high level PC from killing a low level that wishes to start the problem... well nothing other than the true laws of the Western Reaches or Cormyr.

Its really that simple.

Personally I have Ranan visit Isinhold from time to time for a number of reasons... similar to what Phel pointed out. Sometimes you are just looking around for people to RP with, most other times Ranan is looking to recruit low levels for "dirty work". Most times Ranan never says a word, he just watches, which may not necessarily be in character but I play it that way so that I dont impede on the experience of new players. At the same time I have had several low levels thank me for the brief and modest interaction while in Isinhold, they happened to enjoy minor interaction with a villian even if in character they werent sure who they were talking to.

[Charon's Claw]

Apr 7, 2009 8:58:23 GMT -5 Grozer said:

However that being said I believe its incumbent on the higher level PC NOT to instigate the confrontation nor bully low levels and always give them an out. There is NOTHING that prevents a high level PC from killing a low level that wishes to start the problem... well nothing other than the true laws of the Western Reaches or Cormyr.

Agree 100% with this.

[Hackmaster]

I agree with Charon Claw's agreeing with Grozer...

whom I agree with...

[Dachshund]

This all boils down to whether or not new players take the time to read the rules. If they don't, at least take the time to ask a senior player/DM what the rules of PvP are before making accusations.

If what both Soulfien and a few other players say is true, it seems at least one DM also needs to reread the rules.

And I stress the word IF.

[Lady Frost]

Apr 7, 2009 14:05:25 GMT -5 Dachshund said:

This all boils down to whether or not new players take the time to read the rules. If they don't, at least take the time to ask a senior player/DM what the rules of PvP are before making accusations.

If what both Soulfien and a few other players say is true, it seems at least one DM also needs to reread the rules.

And I stress the word IF.

I understand there are things that keep this from happening, but getting the pasword up would help at least force people to the forums. Pulling someone to the forums is the hard part, once they are here getting them to click the rules section is much easier.

-Zoe

Edit: OR! change one of the 10 or so questions that are asked at the portal to get into Cormyr to reflect this.

[EDM Entori]

Apr 7, 2009 15:57:48 GMT -5 Lady Frost said:

Apr 7, 2009 14:05:25 GMT -5 Dachshund said:

This all boils down to whether or not new players take the time to read the rules. If they don't, at least take the time to ask a senior player/DM what the rules of PvP are before making accusations.

If what both Soulfien and a few other players say is true, it seems at least one DM also needs to reread the rules.

And I stress the word IF.

I understand there are things that keep this from happening, but getting the pasword up would help at least force people to the forums. Pulling someone to the forums is the hard part, once they are here getting them to click the rules section is much easier.

-Zoe

Edit: OR! change one of the 10 or so questions that are asked at the portal to get into Cormyr to reflect this.

This I beleive is currently in process, frc has had a password for quite awhile, just recently the passwords been down.

As for the rules a certain Dm tried very hard to put them into our journal's section. every player is not without

[Dachshund]

Keep in mind, if you know you are doing the right thing according to the rules, just keep doing it, but save both logs and a few screenshots. That way you can always ship them off to a DM for a ruling in case someone starts slandering/flaming you OOC'ly.

If you were right, thats just dandy.

If you were wrong you would now have to face whatever consequences the DM dishes out for you.

Doing what you think/know is right according to the rules doesn't alleviate you from the responsibility of ensuring that the other player(s) has fun with what you're doing.

One way to make it fun for someone to be on the receiving end of a Magic Bolt of Epic Death is to construct the RP leading up to the PvP in such a way that the "recipient" is left with a sense of "this whole thing actually furthered my character's life/story".

Never said it was easy.

Personally I hate PvP and think it belongs right next to cybering on an annoyance/vomiting meter. I've had numerous IC slandering incidents with my characters and I can only think of one that actually resulted in PvP. Whenever I'm in PvP my hands start trembling and I get the runs.

Not a pretty sight.

[ancientempathy]

Dude, I get the runs too

[qewaye]

*tries to dispel the mental image of a Vikiing and a Brazilian with the raging squits*

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How many people actually enjoy PVP?

[Teneas]

Apr 8, 2009 17:20:39 GMT -5 @qewaye said:

*tries to dispel the mental image of a Vikiing and a Brazilian with the raging squits*

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How many people actually enjoy PVP?

Wynter *coughs*

[EDM Entori]

Apr 8, 2009 17:20:39 GMT -5 @qewaye said:

*tries to dispel the mental image of a Vikiing and a Brazilian with the raging squits*

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How many people actually enjoy PVP?

When properly entertained I've had several enjoyable pvp encounters on FRC..

makes you think..unlike npc monsters, it's the same as being up against a DM