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Post by ancientempathy on Nov 17, 2008 19:42:03 GMT -5
I'm giving this a bump for it to be reviewed (and hopefully put to practice), again.
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Post by Pookey on Jan 19, 2009 18:58:18 GMT -5
Rebumping this. Events are occurring in Isinhold which are disturbing me. Please go back and read the first post in this thread.
Let me just say that one of the things you should not have to worry about is your PC getting killed within the bounds of Isinhold, except under very unusual circumstances.
If you don't respawn in Isinhold, I urge you to find another place to loiter.
What I mean by loitering is just standing around for no reason.
If you have business in Isinhold, no problem. If you're a merchant who sells to low level characters and you're selling or hanging around for a little while waiting for customers to show up, no problem.
If you're meeting a group in Isinhold for an expedition because it's the most convenient place to meet, no problem.
If you're hanging out on guild business, either recruiting or looking at potential members, no problem.
If you're here to roleplay, no problem. Just remember that Isinhold is for low levels to get their feet wet on the server and start to find their place. They can't compete against high level characters in that, so why not cut them some slack.
Do you see the theme here? You're level 11 or higher... you have legitimate business... no problem.
You're level 11 or higher... you have no real reason to be here and stand around for hours... problem.
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Post by Lokarn on Jan 21, 2009 20:28:55 GMT -5
/Agree I no longer play a few of my low level characters due to epic level characters bullying them out of the lands. I see all the time one player in-particular who bullys "everyone" who they are fairly sure is not tough enough to do anything about it.... poor player maners IMO let lower lvl players RP amungst themselves, stop threatening low level characters because you want to feel tough. I's like to see this person say the same things to a DM controlled character, or if a DM wants to teach them a lesson, I have an idea that might be fun...... Not all new adventurers that come to Isinhold are allways lvl 1........ and not lvl 40......  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 22:14:16 GMT -5
This pretty much covers my thoughts on the matter. Granted, yes, epic characters should not be pushing around lower levels to make themself feel tough. But at the same time, low level characters should not be giving the epic character reason to push them around. Granted, my character used to bully people but when i saw the error of my ways. . .i stopped. But if he is given reason to he will still have a few harsh words to say about it.
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Post by Charon's Claw on Jan 21, 2009 22:30:33 GMT -5
If the epics don't hang around Isinhold for extended periods of time, the chance of that happening is less dramatic. Sure they still have to deal with the consequences of their RP. But if the epics are actually in other places other than an unimportant, backwater, cow patty smelling village it can prevent this.
The server is quite vast, and it always kind of makes me go bleh when I travel from Marsember, Tyrluk, Waymoot, Dhedluk, Suzail, Eveningstar, Arabel, Immersea, and even Thunderstone to find no one then I go to Isinhold and find everyone.
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Post by EDM Entori on Jan 21, 2009 22:35:28 GMT -5
If the epics don't hang around Isinhold for extended periods of time, the chance of that happening is less dramatic. Sure they still have to deal with the consequences of their RP. But if the epics are actually in other places other than an unimportant, backwater, cow patty smelling village it can prevent this. The server is quite vast, and it always kind of makes me go bleh when I travel from Marsember, Tyrluk, Waymoot, Dhedluk, Suzail, Eveningstar, Arabel, Immersea, and even Thunderstone to find no one then I go to Isinhold and find everyone. agreed, eats up all the coin of lower level folk looking to people who aren't walking place to place. |
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Post by fred on Jan 21, 2009 22:47:27 GMT -5
The server is quite vast, and it always kind of makes me go bleh when I travel from Marsember, Tyrluk, Waymoot, Dhedluk, Suzail, Eveningstar, Arabel, Immersea, and even Thunderstone to find no one then I go to Isinhold and find everyone. Well, we've had this debate before. But lots of different towns are populated, you just have to hit them at the right time. I do my very best to do so: this game continues to amuse me because it's a social game. It's the fact that the server is vast that makes people gather where they might find more people. Honestly, I always find this debate depressing. People say "the epics do this", "the low levels do that", as if we weren't individuals. There are a couple schmucks ruining everyone's fun. Those schmucks are individuals: if they're causing trouble, let's deal with them. It's not their levels that cause the problem, it's their inability to obey rule number one of FRC. |
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Post by EDM Neo on Jan 21, 2009 22:52:57 GMT -5
Rigrin, with his nine teleports per rest, will often use all of them checking towns for other players, and only very rarely finds them anywhere that isn't Isinhold or Suzail.
This isn't entirely a bad thing, however: it's just a side effect of the module being so large and having so many towns. It's already been discussed to death, they're just populous because they are, in the case of Suzail, rather central, and in the case of Isinhold, new players are funneled there. If people didn't gather in these places, it would be more or less impossible to find anyone to play with except via tells (which is sometimes fine, of course), just thanks to the sheer size of FRC. I can think of, just off the top of my head, twenty one inns and taverns spread across the server. That number's probably a bit off, and there are countless other gathering places (pretty natural spots, crossroads, guild areas, temples, etc).
It is a problem when epic levels are having negative interactions with low level characters, but having people gather in predictable locations, unless we had enough players to keep all towns reasonably populated, is not in itself a bad thing. It's when people behave abusively that problems arise.
EDIT: Oops, Fred beat me to all of my main points.
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Post by ashaffer on Jan 22, 2009 3:08:53 GMT -5
There are a couple schmucks ruining everyone's fun. Those schmucks are individuals: if they're causing trouble, let's deal with them. It's not their levels that cause the problem, it's their inability to obey rule number one of FRC. I couldn't agree with you more Fred... In fact, if I agreed with you more, I think the whole universe would implode.
The bad players of FRC need to either mend their ways, and stop ruining other people's fun, or they should be shown the door. When these people are not adequately dealt with it sends the wrong message to everyone else that if you ruin other people's fun there are no consequences for it.
All of us, at one time, were newbies to FRC, and some of us have stories we could tell of high level bullies we've had to endure... Let the practice of tolerating this bad behavior end, so that everyone can enjoy their time on FRC to the fullest. |
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Post by seina on Jan 22, 2009 7:29:39 GMT -5
I liked interacting with epics in Isinhold. I liked their fights.. verbal and otherwise. It was Vinduil's killing of Elvewyn that scared the wits out of Tira that made for some really, really good RP between Tira/Vinduil and Tira/Elvewyn that shaped my character. (Thank you to -both- players.  ) First, let's not assume that someone standing in Isinhold isn't there for one of the many reasons that Pookey stated. Second, let's not label other players "bad" or "good", as that is just one person's opinion and just leads to bad OOC feelings. Third, this is a game about interaction.. positive and negative.. and how our PCs learn and grow from those interactions. It isn't all going to be sunshine and roses. It would be boring if it were. I do agree, however, that there should be no touching of the low levels.. unless they are running their mouths off to an obvious epic and there is substantial RP. And that means.. no traps on things they will touch (like berry bushes) or RP attempts at robbing them or having your "elf/dwarf/hin/gnome hater" just walk up to one and FoD them. If a -rule- is made that says no epics in Isinhold, remember that that will not only remove the Big Terrible Nasty that holds up the fence (and is most likely recruiting), but also Mouse and Rigrin, who are the best Welcome Wagon this server could ever ask for. |
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Post by Micteu on Jan 22, 2009 10:42:18 GMT -5
The only time I've had a problem was when a high-level PC came in, and with minimal RP said something like, "It's time for you to be taught your lesson," then proceeded to kill four or five characters around level 2-4.
The only thing I have against this is the amnesia from the fight, so as soon as my character got back in Isinhold after dying, he had no idea the other person was bad news.
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Post by Spirit of a Phoenix on Jan 22, 2009 12:40:24 GMT -5
The only time I've had a problem was when a high-level PC came in, and with minimal RP said something like, "It's time for you to be taught your lesson," then proceeded to kill four or five characters around level 2-4. The only thing I have against this is the amnesia from the fight, so as soon as my character got back in Isinhold after dying, he had no idea the other person was bad news. That doesn't seem like a good enough reason to start PvP. Hopefully not a lot of this is going on because this could be upsetting to the new folk. They might think that they can't do anything at a low level might scare some of them from exploring outside of Isinhold when they are ready.  |
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Post by Dachshund on Jan 22, 2009 12:40:57 GMT -5
The only time I've had a problem was when a high-level PC came in, and with minimal RP said something like, "It's time for you to be taught your lesson," then proceeded to kill four or five characters around level 2-4. I seriously hope a player like this is no longer with us. |
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Post by Pookey on Jan 22, 2009 21:39:49 GMT -5
The only time I've had a problem was when a high-level PC came in, and with minimal RP said something like, "It's time for you to be taught your lesson," then proceeded to kill four or five characters around level 2-4. The only thing I have against this is the amnesia from the fight, so as soon as my character got back in Isinhold after dying, he had no idea the other person was bad news. OK... this is completely unacceptable. Just because something is done in character doesn't mean it's acceptable. I need you to contact me with the details of this, if you haven't already spoken to another DM about it. This is one of the things I'm talking about. Also, I want to say that I completely understand that not everyone who is high level is a jerk about it. Most aren't. The problem is that when high level characters are around and are RPing their plots and rivalries with other high level characters in Isinhold, it drowns out the lower level characters. But, no more sweeping generalizations. I agree that it's individuals and we as a DM team need to deal with those individuals and not paint everyone with the same brush. |
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Post by Pookey on Jan 22, 2009 21:48:05 GMT -5
To expand on my previous post. The behavior described is not acceptable, and as a player, you don't have to put up with anyone acting like this to you.
If something like this happens to your character, even though everything is done in character, please report it to a DM, either on the DM Channel immediately, or via PM or email.
Expand your chat window and take screenshots of it. Those are better than logs to the DM team anyway. We (the DM team) will not tolerate this behavior if solid proof of it is presented to us. Sometimes it may seem like we let things happen like this, but if we don't have a screenshot or some similar proof, we can't act on it. We need your help in these cases.
The bottom line is this. If something put a bad taste in your mouth, like a really bad PVP, or being bullied by high level characters, or being harrassed OOC or IC, or something you weren't comfortable with but felt you couldn't refuse because it was in character, let a DM know anyway. If you have that bad feeling about it, chances are you're right and they shouldn't be doing it. Let the DM team make the call.
You can contact any one of us.
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Post by Charon's Claw on Jan 22, 2009 22:06:12 GMT -5
Mmmhmm.. I'm often on.. our PM boxes are open too.
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Post by rkp71 on Feb 8, 2009 15:06:11 GMT -5
Alright, so I walk into Isinhold a few minutes ago and there is a high lvl PC standing in town and they have me set to dislike.
I have not once ever interacted with Phelzaron, I have no clue why he has set me to hostile with no RP whatsoever. I ask him why he has set me to hostile and he tells me its OOC and has doesnt need to tell me.
Anyway, I know PVP is part of the server but setting someone to hostile then waiting in lowbie town for them seems to fit this topic. I am unsure about it all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 15:07:55 GMT -5
As much as I don't think high level characters should be hanging around Isinhold for extended periods, he is quite right about not having to tell you why he has set you to dislike. Often characters will set the entire server on dislike if they are expecting trouble from anyone. You don't need to have roleplay with someone to set them to hostile.
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Post by kaltorac on Feb 8, 2009 15:12:20 GMT -5
If you intend on casting Greater Santcuary .... you need to often set any not in your party ... serverwide ... to dislike as it is only effective against hostile encounters and you can't predict who you'll run into ahead of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 16:33:03 GMT -5
My advice for this is that if the person glowing red isn't roleplaying in a hostile manner towards you. . .you should not have to worry. Afterall, the dislike button is only a mechanics thing and it should be roleplayed at all times.
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Post by Hackmaster on Feb 14, 2009 0:09:21 GMT -5
Normally rkp71 I would respond to your post in a massive rant, I would just be stating the rules...citing past examples and blah blah blah Most who know me know I can rarely do anything in a single paragraph because I genuinely want people to understand exactly what I am trying to get at. Because I did everything right and clearly within the rules had you actually read them I am not going to try to explain my reasons here. I will end my response in I wish you would have went to a DM about this privately as I feel like because I refused to argue with you you had the need to make it public forum.
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Post by guest on Feb 14, 2009 1:14:26 GMT -5
The more things change the more they stay the same....
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Post by Teneas on Feb 14, 2009 8:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by petrie74 on Feb 14, 2009 9:53:49 GMT -5
I thought if they glowed red you attacked on sight? That isn't true?..........isn't it?.....my pc can see red right?   No no. . .this means they love you. Everyone knows red is the color of love. You should -hug- them Ten. *nods |
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Post by ShadowCatJen on Feb 14, 2009 12:24:37 GMT -5
Okay, can some of you take the condescending tone out of your posts just a bit?
This is a reasonable question from a new player. There is no need to lash out at him for it. If I was a new player and had someone toggle me hostile while in the rules it states it as a preamble for PvP I'd be a little concerned too.
Hack, he had stated he sent you a tell as to why it was and you responded to him by saying you didn't need to tell him? You didn't need to tell him about the mechanic the system requires for Greater Sanctuary to work? It would have been a far more friendlier solution to just tell him. Is it really that hard to open up to a new player?
Now looking at some of the responses to his post, I wouldn't be half surprised if he'd never come back here again. Being snarky doesn't breed much in the way of making a friendly community.
If this is the sort of attitude long time players are now carrying OOC it makes one less and less inclined to be here.
Sorry if this hurts anyone, but I'm tired of coloring my words rosy red.... no, I'm tired of not saying anything at all.
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Post by Haydena on Feb 14, 2009 14:09:51 GMT -5
I agree with SCJen on this one. Is it really too much to ask to explain why you've done it? Especially if it's for something as trivial as to be able to cast Greater Sanctuary without any problems.
New players especially, may well feel victimised by whole server toggling. They don't know that this person is a crazy mass murderer, or what he does. How are they supposed to know?
I don't think rkp71 has done anything wrong, in fact... he's done the best thing possible by asking OOC instead of assuming something or starting to metagame. I don't understand the need to be so rude.
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Post by soulfien on Feb 14, 2009 16:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Hackmaster on Feb 14, 2009 20:48:51 GMT -5
SCJ your assuming a whole bunch and not knowing the whole story which I simply will not waste my time with to appease your sense of fair play to a new player and attacking my quality as a community member on all your assumptions on how I handled the player hurts. It was not as cut and dry as he posted and that's all I am going to say for now. Thank you for reading way to much into my post to reaffirm for me why I rant instead of making quick posts. You people are gunna drive me to rant soon heh  Yours always, RantMaster |
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Post by mourndarkv on Feb 15, 2009 10:19:30 GMT -5
Alright.. you people have brought this upon yourself... *HUG!!!!* ; ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by z1gg3h on Feb 15, 2009 19:38:23 GMT -5
Did you set everyone to hostile first?
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