Post by Fenix on May 23, 2014 21:57:13 GMT -5
Hello everyone. The recent posts in the DM Q&A thread about "accidentally" robbing a grave and receiving a glowy red mark on ones hand has interested me. So I would like to discuss the ins, and outs of taking things from the dead, and how your PC perceives this act.
Taking things from any grave, urn, sarcophagus, what have you is robbing the dead. Generally this is an act of willful disrespect to the dead. Your PC is taking things buried with the dead so that they may sell them and get more gear, supplies, or whatever your PC is into.
I was most curious at just how many Players have PCs who do not role play the marks on their hands. This is only my opinion, but if you earned a grave robbers mark, it should be at the least role played each time you meet a new PC, and every once in a while after that. It's a brightly glowing letter that all can see from anywhere near you even through your gloves, other barriers. I was surprised at just how many paladins have a grave robbing mark, are you all going through all the other crypts robbing all of those graves as well? Paladins should be ashamed of yourselves for robbing graves, weather a script gives you a mark or not. I find that very disappointing.
OOCly, yes it means you will bypass a lot of loot in a crypt area. My good PC loses out on a lot of loot because of it, but he is slaying undead and that is reward as well. Sure, it's costly, you use more supplies with less ability to replenish them, but them's the breaks.
Anyway, I didn't want to be one of the folks who post in DM Q&A's so I started this here instead.
As far as the OP, Fenix sees nothing inherently wrong with grave robbing, as its not really graverobbing to him. A lot of nature is reusing and revitalizing things that are currently in existence, to better save the resources that we have. Fenix NEVER sells his old equipment to shops. He just hands it down to someone who can use it, and asks them to do the same thing. If something can be used by someone, why leave it to rot and degrade in the dirt for hundreds of years, instead of simply removing it to pass it onward for someone to use it once more? In reality, there are many things you can actually reuse and revitalize for usage once more.
That being said, Fenix actually does have the graverobber token, and I rped it for a while. I remade him and lost it, and I actually DO want it back, to RP with it. I just dont actually know where the crypt is, since I was brought there with epics when I was really low level to help on a rescue. I have no idea how to get back there.
That being said, there is nothing OOC about the mark. There is a cleric outside, if I recall properly, that TELLS you that this is a crypt of Kelemvor. SPEICIFICALLY KELEMVOR. And to let the dead and their belongings rest.
NOT EVERY CRYPT is Kelemvorite. There are crypts outside Valkur's Roar that could easily be dedicated and under the protecting of Valkur, there are crypts to Silvanus and his faithful, and all deities. Kelemvor is the god of the dead, but necessarily, he does not protect every single crypt at any given time. You are stealing from HIS FAITHFUL directly. People who dedicated to him their lives, and have been blessed to be buried in his crypts. Going in to purge the undead, that is not desecrating those bodies. You are releasing the souls that were forcibly bound there, and allowing them to find peace again. The bodies may get mutilated, but they become corpses once more. No longer under the rule and slavery of undeath. Because a body is not in the crypt, does not make that no longer a grave. My father is dead since I was 13, and has been buried. If he was dug up 100 years from now, his grave would have still existed there at some point. Grave robbers who steal from graves by digging up coffins dont make those graves no longer graves. They may remove something, even the body, but it was still a grave in the end.
The server does not condition you to pick up loot from everything everywhere. That is player choice right there. There is NO reason to loot every container where you walk. The only request is we loot BODIES to keep lag down. The containers are irrelevant. They do not spawn loot until opened, and are just there for people who would actively open them. You can walk through an entire area and not loot a single container. The only reason anybody does is because its a game, and you choose to do so. Would you walk down the street in real life and start going through people's trash and walking into their houses to take stuff while walking up the block? No? Why not, the "containers" are all there for a reason!
Destroying undead, I repeat this, is not evil. Thats just foolish to even say right there. Undeath is the forceful binding of a soul into a corpse for the purpose of it serving someone, or just being placed against its will. In most cases. You are taking something that was at peace, and forcing it to bend to your will, and the action is defined as an evil action every time. Killing the undead, thereby releasing the bound souls, is not desecration of the corpse. You may be harming it, but you are not defiling it, you are freeing it. I have times where I RP slaying the undead, then carrying the corpses back to the nearest coffins that are in the area to lay them back to rest.
As far as Paladins stealing from Crypts, I don't recall ever hearing something about them taking every little object to continue their crusade. If it is a sensible thing, such as offered food, or a replacement weapon, that makes sense and I can understand that. But I doubt a paladin needs 18 skeletal fingers, a fine urn, somebody's old pants, someones 15 coins that was put in their grave, a picture of their dog, and a shoelace to continue their crusade. I mean, if those are being put to use, you probably shouldn't sell them, that is if they are important to the crusade. That case it would more just be a justification to steal from a crypt more than anything. Youre hocking goods you stole from some dead guy. Thats not really helping you, its making you rich.