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Post by Dachshund on Jan 6, 2007 14:50:37 GMT -5
I'm not even an old fart and I have no clue what the hell these "leet" people say. *Taken from an actual conversation on NWN one year ago* Player: "C@nt fite th3 gobs alone!" Me: "Wha'?" Player: "lol come wth mi pls, I n33d hlp!" Me: "What the hell are you saying? you might as well be speaking greek right now" Player: "lol ur a n00b!" Me: "Sadly you are mistaken, I have apparently been playing Dungeons & Dragons for years and have played on many Role Play servers." Player: "lol wut the hell! ur gay nerd! lol" Me: "I'm not gay" Player: "w/e n0w com help mi fite the goblins!" Me: "*logs out* *plugs in his universal translator and watches it overheat and suffer a massive meltdown*
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Post by TermaForever on Jan 6, 2007 14:57:43 GMT -5
To those who are a generation ahead of me, I would like to sincerely apologize for the horrible turn my generation has taken torward l33t speak and all the IM speech being turned into common use everywhere in conversation (including ones involving people). I wish it didn't happen and I hope the damage is reverseable. If not, and the world is doomed, I hear the Mars Mission program is looking good...
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Post by sundano on Jan 6, 2007 17:29:20 GMT -5
lol, I don't know which generation I belong to, I'm 21, I look more like 18 get's the girls going crazy when they start going "what? are you really?" hehe, half of them don't believe me, which is fine, because I don't believe half of them when they say they're 18 and act 16, I don't go out with girls like that, anyway I'm getting sidetracked, lol, must be the alcohol. Anyway, my point is I can hardly understand any of that l33t speak, I still havent a clue what most of these words like pwned and such mean. and troubling news is that some of these 'words'?? might actually end up in the oxford english dictionary. We live in a sad world, that's why I like to escape once in a while to this wonderful world of Forgotten Realms Cormyr
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Jan 6, 2007 17:47:11 GMT -5
pwned is a corruption of owned.. look on the keyboard. the p is right next to the o and when it was used in chant people just didnt correct it. After a time it became a slang term..
There ya go.. Lesson ended
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Post by sundano on Jan 6, 2007 17:49:07 GMT -5
pwned is a corruption of owned.. look on the keyboard. the p is right next to the o and when it was used in chant people just didnt correct it. After a time it became a slang term.. There ya go.. Lesson ended haha, yes sir
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Post by DM Valkyrie on Jan 6, 2007 17:53:18 GMT -5
To this "leet speak" (whatever that is) I have a very simple solution: 1) Advise player that this is an immersive roleplaying server in which we prefer traditional language be used. Try to remain in character, and speak as your character would in a fantasy medieval setting. 2a) If said player replies with more "leet speak" and I don't understand it, or it is just plain rude, anyone standing around them will see a lovely lightning effect, and said player will be booted from game. For those standing around, there will be a lovely scorch mark upon the ground at the place said "leet speaker" once stood. 2b)If, however, "leet speaker" suddenly remembers all those english classes from school and begins talking "normally" we all get to move on and have fun playing on this awesome server! (Someone earlier in the thread mentioned pet peeves? You guessed it, that is one of mine. )
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Post by nolf1983 on Jan 6, 2007 18:31:41 GMT -5
Reminds me of a story my misses tells about someone wearing a shirt that says something along the lines of "If you can read this then you need to get a life" but was done in leet speak numbers and symbols thrown in and she got all the way through before she realised it was written in such an obscure way that she just goes ...oh how sad i can read that. But then again i went through a phase when i was in a chat room alot where i said lol in real life once or twice...
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Post by Driderman on Jan 6, 2007 18:42:23 GMT -5
I've been playing too much WoW I guess. I understand every single word without effort and had even guessed that the gay insult would appear when I started to read the third line.... *sighs wearily*
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Post by TermaForever on Jan 6, 2007 19:37:00 GMT -5
I understand it because people were using it on me in conversations in person. Many times I was told "stfu" and "I pwnd you on this exam" etc. For this reason I am able to study these leet creatures in the wild and can be amused at their lack of non-electronic mating habits.
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Post by ♥Zach♥ on Jan 6, 2007 20:11:12 GMT -5
"I'm rockin' tha' B home dog"
To me all that trasnlates to is "I'm a dumb ass who can't speak proper english" XD
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Post by Panros on Jan 6, 2007 20:26:08 GMT -5
For the last few posts, you are digressing from the topic, point made. Let's stay on course. Those who now hold an understanding of what DM's and Players expect on the FRC server need to help out in anyway they can.If you see a new player running around, ninja looting, etc, give them a friendly tell greeting them to FRC. Ask them if they would like to RP with you then lead them by example. Maybe slip in a few RP tips and let them know of the forums and server rules. Let us all help end the problem before it becomes a greater one as friendly as we can.I have done so a few times. It works and it made me feel good seeing that I have turned a few players on the right path.
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Post by Thanatos on Jan 6, 2007 20:29:33 GMT -5
For the last few posts, you are digressing from the topic, point made. Let's stay on course. Those who now hold an understanding of what DM's and Players expect on the FRC server need to help out in anyway they can.If you see a new player running around, ninja looting, etc, give them a friendly tell greeting them to FRC. Ask them if they would like to RP with you then lead them by example. Maybe slip in a few RP tips and let them know of the forums and server rules. Let us all help end the problem before it becomes a greater one as friendly as we can.I have done so a few times. It works and it made me feel good seeing that I have turned a few players on the right path. But hopefully this won't even be an issue once the server's back up due to the decision to temporarily password it. *glee!* ;D
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Post by heimdall on Jan 6, 2007 20:36:44 GMT -5
Panros...dude...why orange? So many colors out there to choose from and you subject us to orange? I mean....aside from the orange I love the point you are making...it's all about being a responsible member of the community. But...to make that point in orange? I...don't understand...why not... [glow=blue,2,300]Blue... Blue is nice. All shimmery silverish....yeah! [/glow]
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Post by Driderman on Jan 6, 2007 20:41:34 GMT -5
Panros...dude...why orange? So many colors out there to choose from and you subject us to orange? Maybe he's dutch?
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Post by Panros on Jan 6, 2007 21:15:41 GMT -5
Thank you. I am sure most people would rather respond to a potential friend who is trying to help out than someone who outright "corrects" them.
On a side note.....
I assumed most people had the default greenish background for this forum and I decided to pick orange, a fellow secondary color, because it would stand out enough with out causing one's eyes to pop out of one's head. Blue, however, is nearly analogous of this greenish color, and is sometimes hard to sort out. In the end it causes headaches.
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Post by DM Valkyrie on Jan 6, 2007 23:11:27 GMT -5
Now look who digressed from the topic! Back on track, yes, even though we play on an impersonal system, and we never *see* the other person, this does not mean we can treat others the same way we would treat an impersonal unfeeling machine. Also, something to remember, this is *not* the best medium for expressing feelings without some sort of emote. Things stated plainly can be taken completely wrong, where a pleasant comment can be taken as harsh critisism. How is this? Because in this medium, we do not have "tone of voice" to rely on. If there is ever a question of someone's intent or attitude, just ask. It would be far better than assuming they mean one thing, when they mean something else. And I feel it would be safe to say this is a good thing for folks on both sides of the fence to remember. (Fence? Maybe I should say DM Screen...um..if...anyone ever played PnP with thier trusty DM Screen up..and thier little dice rolling like mad, then the sly grin as the DM asks, "What do you want to do next?" OK....I digress...and I'm rambling....nuff said.)
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Post by Hackmaster on Jan 6, 2007 23:52:46 GMT -5
You bunch of Screen Monkeys!!! ;D Damnit I should have said that without the emote!!! There I go again!!! ;D Wait....What was the topic again?
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Post by Munroe on Jan 7, 2007 3:12:50 GMT -5
Emotes piss me off. That's probably why I tend to be so long-winded. When I see an emote, I tend to think someone is trying to "soften the blow." Maybe that or perhaps I think emotes are another one of those things people do as a writing shortcut so they don't have to express what they're trying to say with words. I like words myself. The only emote I really like is the one with the really huge grin.
As for the orange, I didn't have a problem with it. When you demonstrated with the blue, I say good call on the orange. *emote*
I've got ten million pet-peeves, none really regarding the server come to mind right now but I'm just generally picky. I'm a really picky guy. I don't really have anything to say about the current situation with players though because I have been taking a few weeks off the server. I'll see you folks soon as I'm back. (Presently I'm just lurking the forums.)
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Post by regar on Jan 7, 2007 5:22:27 GMT -5
Directed solely at Heimdall
What's WRONG with orange? i love orange!
Orange makes the world go round, it has a color AND a fruit! You dont go around eating many reds do you? or yellows? and even blue has berries mixed in with it.
And, to get at least a little more on topic with this (at least partially) i think that emotes are quite useful if used sparingly, i personally like the "rolling eyes" emote, the big grin never really appealed to me, it seems far too happy to be real.
And, now that the server is back up both the players and DMs seem to be in a much better mood, i know i am, yay for FRC!
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Post by Munroe on Jan 7, 2007 5:52:17 GMT -5
Sorry, allow me to clarify. "Smileys" piss me off. Not "emotes." Emotes are fine. I see smileys, I don't know what they mean half the time. I called them emotes because they were called emotes in the post before mine. The only ones I understand are the bug-out eyes, the rolling eyes, the smiley face, the frown, and the tear. I don't know what those look like in text smileys either. Just a pet peeve. Like that kissy face smiley? What does that mean? I'm going to kiss you? I'm kissing you? My first thought every time I see it is "pucker up," as in "pucker up and kiss my...." Then you've got your "anime" smileys and that's just a whole different category.
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Post by HeatherRae on Jan 7, 2007 6:31:06 GMT -5
Sorry, allow me to clarify. "Smileys" piss me off. Not "emotes." Emotes are fine. I see smileys, I don't know what they mean half the time. I called them emotes because they were called emotes in the post before mine. The only ones I understand are the bug-out eyes, the rolling eyes, the smiley face, the frown, and the tear. I don't know what those look like in text smileys either. Just a pet peeve. Like that kissy face smiley? What does that mean? I'm going to kiss you? I'm kissing you? My first thought every time I see it is "pucker up," as in "pucker up and kiss my...." Then you've got your "anime" smileys and that's just a whole different category. I think you just dislike smileys because you haven't seen someone put them to good use. For instance, I know someone who can tell an entire story with almost no words but lots of smileys! And I understand it! I like the smileys. They're amusing.
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Post by TermaForever on Jan 7, 2007 11:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by soulfien on Jan 7, 2007 17:43:52 GMT -5
Panros...dude...why orange? So many colors out there to choose from and you subject us to orange? I mean....aside from the orange I love the point you are making...it's all about being a responsible member of the community. But...to make that point in orange? I...don't understand...why not... [glow=blue,2,300]Blue... Blue is nice. All shimmery silverish....yeah! [/glow] This was lost on everyone using Firefox. It doesn't support that type of code.
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Jan 8, 2007 0:35:14 GMT -5
Yep.. THis thread has pretty much died considering the last six entries have had to do with smiles... Oh wait.. Make that 7 including this one...
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jan 8, 2007 0:47:21 GMT -5
Yes, please return to topic or don't post here. I think we are all guilty of this sort of thing, and this includes me -- BUT, like Munroe, one of my peeves is a topic hijack. Kinda like talking about smilies in a topic like this. (Hopefully everyone is able to understand why I am "rolling my eyes".) Now, back on topic.
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Post by ShadowCatJen on Jan 9, 2007 14:01:44 GMT -5
Staying on topic then...
Okay, a list of things that I get paranoid about on servers in general:
1) DMs wanting to be DMs because they want their own characters to have all the perks.
2) DMs using their access to OOC information on all PCs and metagaming it that their own PCs now have all this OOC information. (It's an offshoot of 1, but the metagaming is almost separate).
3) DMs not carring about anyone outside of their own guilds or "cliques" and showing heavy favoritism towards those who are friends. Thus, they never do any questing or even just generally helping with player questions or problems.
4) Admins no longer caring for the server they run and just leaving it up and running to gather dust. (Certainly not the case with Justi, but this is just a paranoia I have with servers overall.)
5) People who just have a lot of time on their hands becoming DMs... then finding out they severely lack the maturity to handle the position. Typically, this will lead to a DM who abuses their position and gets back at people they don't like, just causing a disruption rather then actually helping the server overall.
6) DMs who's PCs suddenly leap up in levels and have no need for extra special gear because they just gave their own characters the best stuff.
7) Players who only get buddy-buddy with you as a way to get OOC information from you over tells, then use that information to their PCs advantage, essentially metagaming.
8) Players who are nice to the crew right up until the point they tell them "no, you can't have that" or when something doesn't go their way. After which the player blows up nicely and has a complete fit, sometimes destroying complete plot lines by doing so.
9) Players who can not discern between IC feelings and OOC feelings. The worst being those that will "get back" at someone In Character even though it's completely not in the nature of their character to do so.
10) Players who use cybering as a way to get people to like them and get them on "their side". To go with this, players who will do anything to keep on good terms with those who do cyber. Even to the point where they will completely disagree with the way everyone treats their "cyberfriend" no matter how much they may be OOC or how much they may metagame.
11) Metagaming in general. Be it player or DM, I'm constantly paranoid that someone will just metagame the information they want and ruin months of plotting and planning.
I suppose overall I worry about people using their positions of power or influence to gain an advantage unfairly. I've always gone under the concept that when your on as a DM, your a DM, when your on as a player, your a player, and never should the two meet. I've always also gone by the code that just because a DM may be a friend of yours it doesn't give you the right to ask for anything you want. DMs have guidelines they should follow and you -- as a friend -- should be understanding of their position and not take unfair advantage of them.
That's all I can say for now.
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Post by soulfien on Jan 9, 2007 17:25:41 GMT -5
I've seen all of those happen. Not all on one server, but from server to server. Very good points. Here's a couple ya left out... DM's who know nothing about . They've only read the NWN manual and then they try to enforce things beyond that causing confusion and mass arguments. DM's arguing and contradicting eachother on the public forums. If one DM says something should be one way and another DM posts saying differently and then the thread turns into an argument. DM's are the ones who should always agree on a set of rules or if they must argue then they should do so in their own private room. DM's should also never ever critisize another DM's roleplaying ability on the public forums... This has happened here and it made that DM look really bad in the public eye.
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Post by Retired DM Gallin on Jan 9, 2007 18:01:11 GMT -5
I have yet to say anything about this thread, but so far I've liked the responses I've seen. The thread has remained constructive and both players and DM's can see what's happening on the other side of the fence.
I'm not going to lie. I was not a good RPer when I came here some four or so years ago. It wasn't until after I first started playing in Cormyr that I even picked up a source book and played Pen and Paper. But I immediately fell in love with it, and set about learning as much as I could, even memorizing source material. But that didn't make me a better role-player.
Way back, before many of you were even here, there used to be some sort of invincible white-oxen outside the Mantis Clan monastery. My fledgling druid Corbin had that wonderful "animal empathy" ability, so I did what any bad RPer would do. I took control of the super-cow and hunted ninjas! Luckily, our old school DM Bassa was around and saw me doing it, and gave me a helpful bump chaotic. Being a complete idiot, I asked him what that was for, and then he pointed out that it was a chaotic action, not something my (at the time) True Neutral druid should be doing. And I thought about it for a second. And I said "you know what, that was a really stupid idea."
That's when it clicked, that's when I started to become a decent RPer, and eventually, I like to think a good one. It was a helpful DM who pointed out to me, "that's just not the way things work here," and it made sense.
I started out as the worst of the worst, so I'm all about second chances. But sadly, I havn't seen many people willing to learn lately. I can understand when you're new and you do something stupid. Scroll up, I've been there. But if you get told off, and you do it again? That's what really gets me upset. People that don't want to take it seriously, that are just looking for another action server.
With the new password, I've seen a much needed decrease in what I can only refer to as "bad apples." The only thing I will ask of a player is that you listen when I'm trying to help you, and that you try your best to RP. You don't have to be the worlds premiere RPing champion to play here. But you gotta put some effort in it, or we won't put any more effort into you. I don't think that's asking too much.
~Corey
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jan 9, 2007 22:32:44 GMT -5
I've seen all of those happen. Not all on one server, but from server to server. Very good points. Here's a couple ya left out... DM's who know nothing about . They've only read the NWN manual and then they try to enforce things beyond that causing confusion and mass arguments. DM's arguing and contradicting eachother on the public forums. If one DM says something should be one way and another DM posts saying differently and then the thread turns into an argument. DM's are the ones who should always agree on a set of rules or if they must argue then they should do so in their own private room. DM's should also never ever critisize another DM's roleplaying ability on the public forums... This has happened here and it made that DM look really bad in the public eye. DM's are allowed to disagree just like everyone else and I am sorry if anyone feels that makes us look "really bad". The point of this discussion was to be constructive. Clearly you didn't get the memo or read the rules of the topic Soul'fien. I don't think it's constructive to say that a peeve of yours is about DM's who know "nothing" about D&D on our forums. I feel like you were trying to imply that we have DM's like this, which clearly isn't the case.
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Post by Retired DM Gallin on Jan 9, 2007 23:38:23 GMT -5
I've seen all of those happen. Not all on one server, but from server to server. Very good points. Here's a couple ya left out... DM's who know nothing about . They've only read the NWN manual and then they try to enforce things beyond that causing confusion and mass arguments. DM's arguing and contradicting eachother on the public forums. If one DM says something should be one way and another DM posts saying differently and then the thread turns into an argument. DM's are the ones who should always agree on a set of rules or if they must argue then they should do so in their own private room. DM's should also never ever critisize another DM's roleplaying ability on the public forums... This has happened here and it made that DM look really bad in the public eye. DM's are allowed to disagree just like everyone else and I am sorry if anyone feels that makes us look "really bad". The point of this discussion was to be constructive. Clearly you didn't get the memo or read the rules of the topic Soul'fien. I don't think it's constructive to say that a peeve of yours is about DM's who know "nothing" about D&D on our forums. I feel like you were trying to imply that we have DM's like this, which clearly isn't the case. I'm going to take the middle ground here. I believe that there needs to be a certain unity in the staff, or else players will get confused by DM's who each have their own rules. The DM sections of this forum have over 8,000 posts, so we clearly do this to a fairly large extent already. However, we are all people, and it is in our nature to disagree. That's how we make progress. It's the reason every DM has their own unique style. Remember, that we were all players before we were DM's, and that DMing is something we do for fun. I trust the "public eye" to bear this in mind when two DM's discuss doing the same thing in various ways. I believe most of the times a DM disagress on something in the public forum, is because it was something that was brought up by a player. In interest of a timely response, we try and answer these questions as best we can on our own -- If our ideas differ too much, we will take it back to the privacy of the DM thread and make a decision there. ~Gallin
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