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Post by Dobian on Aug 30, 2018 9:12:32 GMT -5
Although it would be kind of hilarious to have a server full of formerly epic characters fighting over the kobold cave.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 30, 2018 9:37:35 GMT -5
Your characters will be able to migrate. Several EE servers have done this. Some servers migrated too fast to EE got rid of their old server too fast as the EE was causing major playing issues. So the players had no resource to fall back on so left.
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Post by Fenix on Aug 30, 2018 10:20:54 GMT -5
What will happen with PCs after moving to EE, will the PCs move aswell, or we will have a mass wipe ? No wipe - the idea is that you don't notice much difference as a player. Similarly how we didn't loose more than around 1 day of playing after latest server move.
I feel like im one of the few who thinks a wipe and rebalance wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. Start some new stories and a bit of module revamp.
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Post by Fenix on Aug 30, 2018 10:22:39 GMT -5
FRC will migrate to EE. THe DM team is behind this and I'll reiterate the commitment to it. As previously mentioned, there are features we use on FRC that are not available in NWN:EE at this time. That requires behind the screens work to update, test and so forth.
FRC has always been about the roleplaying experience and the community that has grown together over the years. EE will happen, we'll get there, it's a journey. Don't forget to enjoy the pleasure of sharing and telling and growing a story with others along the way.
If theres help needed with this, feel free to PM me. I helped backend with several EE servers migration/launch
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Post by sergeil on Aug 30, 2018 11:05:00 GMT -5
I feel like i'm one of the few who thinks a wipe and rebalance wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. I think, you are one of not a lot of players who are ready to kill your characters. In fact, our characters are pieces of our soul. When your character die, part of you die together with him. Life is continue. Start new storie with your old characters.
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Post by malclave on Aug 30, 2018 12:31:19 GMT -5
Although it would be kind of hilarious to have a server full of formerly epic characters fighting over the kobold cave. /DM I was doing the barn in GG and Rolf just KSd the Mother Rat
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Post by Dobian on Aug 30, 2018 13:23:02 GMT -5
Even if there was a wipe your character isn't dead. You can start them at level 1 or write an exit story for them. I have a character with a very deep and fully written back story, played her to level 6 before the great server crash. I could always mothball one of my other characters to make room for her return.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Aug 30, 2018 13:33:37 GMT -5
Newp a wipe would be bs imo
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Aug 30, 2018 13:33:57 GMT -5
iv been through two in my time on frc
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Post by EDM Entori on Aug 30, 2018 21:13:18 GMT -5
No wipe - the idea is that you don't notice much difference as a player. Similarly how we didn't loose more than around 1 day of playing after latest server move.
I feel like im one of the few who thinks a wipe and rebalance wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. Start some new stories and a bit of module revamp. I hate to agree with ya, but I agree with you. starting from level 1 isn't the end of the world either.
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Post by sergeil on Aug 30, 2018 22:52:18 GMT -5
starting from level 1 isn't the end of the world either. Of course. But if my characters, which I diligently develop, will be destroyed, I lose interest in continuing.
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Post by EDM Entori on Aug 30, 2018 23:56:17 GMT -5
starting from level 1 isn't the end of the world either. Of course. But if my characters, which I diligently develop, will be destroyed, I lose interest in continuing. not truely, level is just a number. the characters experience just changes. with one of these "whipes" I decided not to wait on a vault change over, so I just started fresh. There are many reasons why "level 1" can happen in the DND world. I'm not saying this is the right thing to happen, however. I know this was a huge turn off for many, and then it put me in a weird spot as once ports came back, I had a character half-way back to where he originally started. I gave up having to play for many months with my good "friends" in server, which caused some strife. Entori still cannot travel with two particular amazing companions he once had. That said, if I had to do it again, I would. I found great worth in restarting because it allowed many many people who would not have interacted with my character, to learn his experience and history. it is the reason I detest the 10 level rule. It has its place, but it limits interaction especially in the lower player base we've been seeing.
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Post by Lady Frost on Aug 31, 2018 2:34:08 GMT -5
To be frank, level is not just a number; not at all. Level represents their history and their growth. Characters gains stats and those reflect thier personality, talants, etc. If you're RP'ing your numbers right, then you can't go back to level one and continue to RP your character the same. Zodika's Rp is based off of being an experienced priestess with lots of wisdom, epic reputation, and lots of persuade. All that goes away at level 1 and your ability to back your RP with rolls and numbers is impossible.
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Post by mandene on Aug 31, 2018 5:50:34 GMT -5
To be frank, level is not just a number; not at all. Level represents their history and their growth. Characters gains stats and those reflect thier personality, talants, etc. If you're RP'ing your numbers right, then you can't go back to level one and continue to RP your character the same. Zodika's Rp is based off of being an experienced priestess with lots of wisdom, epic reputation, and lots of persuade. All that goes away at level 1 and your ability to back your RP with rolls and numbers is impossible.
I agree. I think the only way it can work is if you roleplay your character appropriately for a level 1, and have a backstory for how and why (s)he lost of their powers.
That's one reason I always play characters that have either no experience (don't have to be young, could be a commoner that switches carriers); or someone that lost all their skills for whatever reason.
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Post by Dimitri on Aug 31, 2018 6:45:27 GMT -5
I'm with Lady Frost here. A wipe would be awful for Dimitri who spent the last 5+ years growing as a sorcerer, dragon disciple, and person in general. How would I explain away all his scales going away, eyes returning to normal, wings gone, etc.
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Post by Razgriz on Aug 31, 2018 8:30:00 GMT -5
If we had to start from level 1 again, I would probably just play my newer characters and forget about leveling up Holance all over again at this point.
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Post by malclave on Aug 31, 2018 8:42:42 GMT -5
I agree. I think the only way it can work is if you roleplay your character appropriately for a level 1, and have a backstory for how and why (s)he lost of their powers. I think that's only strictly true if there are other characters who remember the now-level 1. I have a few characters whom I have played across several different games. In each case, the bones of their backstories remain more or less constant, but from there they develop independently. In some ways it's like an "alternate reality" story. If there were a server wipe (which I would NOT like to see), then this would be the simplest explanation for anyone who wants to restart the same character.
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Post by hellscream123 on Aug 31, 2018 8:43:15 GMT -5
General feeling: plz no not total reset -Again.
Part of the pain from the topic is a bunch of us went through this once already. Or were stuck waiting on the vault legacy systems to be up.
Safest bet remains to please wait and be patient with the team who've repeatedly said they're doing what they can to make it up.
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Post by Dobian on Aug 31, 2018 8:56:53 GMT -5
There isn't going to be a wipe, we were just talking hypothetically.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 31, 2018 9:54:33 GMT -5
Yes no wipe is needed.
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Post by sergeil on Aug 31, 2018 12:01:13 GMT -5
There isn't going to be a wipe, we were just talking hypothetically. Any big and painful changes begin with ordinary discussions. This is called "check public opinion". As soon as community do not show any interest about, initiator can propose it for implementation. After it some part of community will become more active, but if this part is not very big, it can be ignored... PS: I would like to avoid any mistakes ...
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Post by Kolfrosta on Aug 31, 2018 16:55:02 GMT -5
But with a total reset..
with no history, no backstories...
it's 1372...
I could bring Sharita back... XD
But! I wouldn't. There was just -so- much story. Even remaking her, felt like she would have only been a shadow of who she was. Even if I remembered her exact stats. Thus she went the way of legends...(though, there -is- a way she could be brought back..)
So! I'm either way on this. I wouldn't want to remake/rebuild my characters to bring them over to EE. They would start at level 1.
Hypothetically, of course. I have two characters that are invested in stories that I would have to bring back...even if we all start back at level one.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 31, 2018 17:14:07 GMT -5
I was on a world who prior to ee rebuilt three times. This same world was in a haste and claimed that non of the characters on the non ee could be brought overdue to the "custom" scripts .The admins made all sorts of promises and perks for long time players if they stayed. Players did, promises were broken and players left. The admin destroyed the old world too soon so people could noteven play even though they were promised they could. Many other worlds who had custom scripts were able to migrate characters to ee. The fact the FRC is taking it's time and thinking of the community before doing so is a positive thing.
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Post by sergeil on Sept 1, 2018 0:40:28 GMT -5
The fact the FRC is taking it's time and thinking of the community before doing so is a positive thing. I'm not hurry to migrate to EE and, I think, not a lot of peoples want migrate ASAP and by any price. As for me, legacy FRC is enough good to live here even forever. In case if there is any chance to lose my characters, I do not want even listen about beta EE. For one year (about 700 hours of gameplay) on FRC I have developed 2 characters: Good-natured ignoramus fighter human Sergeil is already lvl 22, charismatic funny gnome sorcerer Njord is already lvl 19. Both characters are well known on server. They have their history, reputation, friendships, tactic to hunt, etc. PS: If I want refresh my memory how to play lvl 1, I will create yet another character.
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Post by EDM Entori on Sept 1, 2018 14:08:57 GMT -5
But with a total reset.. with no history, no backstories... it's 1372... I could bring Sharita back... XD But! I wouldn't. There was just -so- much story. Even remaking her, felt like she would have only been a shadow of who she was. Even if I remembered her exact stats. Thus she went the way of legends...(though, there -is- a way she could be brought back..) So! I'm either way on this. I wouldn't want to remake/rebuild my characters to bring them over to EE. They would start at level 1. Hypothetically, of course. I have two characters that are invested in stories that I would have to bring back...even if we all start back at level one. I miss sharita!
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Post by sergeil on Sept 1, 2018 23:39:35 GMT -5
I have exported one of my characters, whose all equipment is crafted in GG, and have started standard company in nwn1 client (even not EE) to see compatibility.
Stats on equipmen are looks ok,appearance of some equipment was transformed to standard, but some, as example armor 5+1, is destorted very much and has missed parts.
Because I do not plan to use this equipment very long, I do not ask DM to replace it.
But, maybe, it is not bad idea if DM team verify and replace all new crafted equipment before migration to EE even planned.
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 2, 2018 0:31:11 GMT -5
I have exported one of my characters, whose all equipment is crafted in GG, and have started standard company in nwn1 client (even not EE) to see compatibility. Stats on equipmen are looks ok,appearance of some equipment was transformed to standard, but some, as example armor 5+1, is destorted very much and has missed parts. Because I do not plan to use this equipment very long, I do not ask DM to replace it. But, maybe, it is not bad idea if DM team verify and replace all new crafted equipment before migration to EE even planned. You realize you have exactly zero idea what you're doing, right? The reason half your appearances wouldn't remain is that they're using CEP replacements from the haks. If you used any items that relied on server-side scripts or custom appearances, they would break using the standard modules. None of them were designed to use those by default, and they aren't available. Even if the migration to EE was flawed, item appearances are quite easy to change through the crafting menus and likely wouldn't be worth the hassle of administrative attention. DMs 'replacing' anything from an exported character is also pretty laughable, since exporting simply means you're saving a character's .bic file to your own local client. You can't play on the server using anything local for FRC, though you can use any local characters in the single player or custom modules that 'you' host, or servers allowing local vault usage. Your character's .bic files are saved on the server's machine, and you cannot replace those shy of asking the administrators to replace them. This action is not done casually, for obvious reasons of exploitation.
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Post by Nekrostench on Sept 2, 2018 2:51:42 GMT -5
New player here, I have read a little and skimmed over this discussion, from what I gather there is likely a wipe coming when the server is moved over to EE. Would it be wise of me to just keep finishing up real life stuff/planning a character and wait?
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Post by mandene on Sept 2, 2018 3:03:18 GMT -5
New player here, I have read a little and skimmed over this discussion, from what I gather there is likely a wipe coming when the server is moved over to EE. Would it be wise of me to just keep finishing up real life stuff/planning a character and wait? There will be no wipe. The move will be as smooth as possible and all you might loose will be few hours of gameplay.
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Post by Nekrostench on Sept 2, 2018 3:05:20 GMT -5
Huzzah, thank you for the clarification, a character I shall make then!
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