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Post by Orchid on Jun 15, 2018 9:14:50 GMT -5
I don't really see the point of EE.... so far the only upgrades i've heard are: 1. minor graphical ones (which are buggy with gamma, camera and other stuff people are mentioning) 2. the fact you can sticky things like expertise... which honestly can be done here with some dev command lines. the sticky thing came up a long time ago and I remember someone pointing out that it wouldn't be too hard to make it sticky but would just need someone with the time and know how to do it. 3. server lists actually working again. Honestly only 3 is the tempting one but when websites that show server lists, it isn't really needed. It just means after spending $20 from gog, people now are being required to give another $20 to beamdog to play a game that is 16 years old because the final handful of servers still alive made the move. FRC should market itself a bit as the only one NOT moved and you will probably get people coming in for that reason alone. Throw it up on redit, mention on facebook, some of the gaming sites that still talk about nwn, etc. Read through the rest of this thread, there's far more things than just the three listed. I'd explain them again, but I and others have done so already here. FRC has a Facebook already as well. As far as being the only server to not move to EE, firstly FRC is and will be moving, secondly, much of the back end team is near to jumping ship as is, which again, was explained why that's terrible for FRC in this thread.
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Post by Dobian on Jun 15, 2018 11:18:01 GMT -5
FRC is not the only server that has not moved to EE, that is fake news. I know of a couple of big servers that have not migrated. The big list of EE servers includes test servers, co-op servers, new servers hastily thrown together, old servers that used to have an average population of three. People need to chill and not jump ship, FRC will get there.
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Post by Warlord on Jun 15, 2018 12:04:53 GMT -5
FRC is not the only server that has not moved to EE, that is fake news. I know of a couple of big servers that have not migrated. The big list of EE servers includes test servers, co-op servers, new servers hastily thrown together, old servers that used to have an average population of three. People need to chill and not jump ship, FRC will get there. So for perspective building ... The top-10 servers on NwN (old) can be found here (and the rest) - www.nwnlist.com/#We are hovering at 260+ players on a 'decent' day. Steam right now has 462 players - that isn't quite double the value, but it's near there and has been more than double the value. I could take a screen shot but I believe anyone with Steam could search for NwN EE and be able to discern the number. Sadly, the top 10 servers right now on old NwN1 includes 1 server transitioning (rapidly) towards NwN EE, us, a naughty server (Not even listed because of political/legal reasons from that Vault), and many multiple foreign servers that a good 99% of us likely can't play on or wouldn't play on. Those of us that follow news and facts like to actually look at source information to be able to very clearly discern what the greater community mind is gearing towards. So what if servers in NwN EE are in experimental phases or not .. players on average like that stuff, it gives a sense of fresh and new.
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Post by Warlord on Jun 15, 2018 12:15:14 GMT -5
Also, I dunno why this is still being discussed? The Team has said they're waiting for bugs to be fixed before migrating over. So that sort of seems irrefutable? Whether or not the wait time is a good thing or not...has yet to be seen.
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Post by Dobian on Jun 15, 2018 12:23:27 GMT -5
Those of us that follow news and facts like to actually look at source information to be able to very clearly discern what the greater community mind is gearing towards. So what if servers in NwN EE are in experimental phases or not .. players on averageĀ like that stuff, it gives a sense of fresh and new. Fresh and new doesn't equal staying power. How many NWN servers are good enough to keep players coming back for years? It's a pretty short list. FRC is one of them. I'm not sure what the debate is about. FRC has said it will move to EE. EE has only been out since March. Players who have no problem devoting years of their life to getting a single character past level 30 are bitching because it's been "OMG three whole months and we're still not on EE!" Everyone needs to relax. Maybe if a gameplan and a target for migration were posted it would put some minds at ease.
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Post by sergeil on Jun 15, 2018 16:40:51 GMT -5
Fresh and new doesn't equal staying power. How many NWN servers are good enough to keep players coming back for years? It's a pretty short list. FRC is one of them. I'm not sure what the debate is about. You already said: "It is the syndrome of a new car". Topic will be alive till FRC is not migrated. For now, IMHO, EE is not better as legacy nwn1. By this reason I have proposed to install pure EE to test how good it is. From EE I'm waiting better stability and more effective usage of resources. Only one point is really not very good on current server - crashes, in specially on big events. All other, as for me, is OK. In fact, stability can be tested only on big events with huge activity.
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Post by sergeil on Jun 16, 2018 0:04:09 GMT -5
FRC DM team has good practice to organize big events. It means, they able to prepare ideal conditions for stress testing. Maybe, for test environment, it is better to grow characters to lvl 15 automatically and froze it in level. Also, it is good to provide full set of equipment +1 to make it ready to fight immediately. It allow to gate for events many users with the same levels EE has bugzilla and development team who is able to fix issues. If EE is so interesting for community, why do not help developers to make it better. We already know, that EE server still 32 bit. It mean, by default, it can use only 2GB of RAM. In case, if EE server is compiled with special options, it can use some more, but 4GB is theoretical maximum. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
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Post by sergeil on Jun 16, 2018 0:32:45 GMT -5
I did not found anything about condition what allow Beamdog to use original code of nwn1.
Yes, developers of nwn1 are present, but what about copying and intellectual property?
I did not found that beamdog is the heir of the code base and the bioware gave them intellectual property rights.
I just thinking about patent trolls who can kill Beamdog as soon as EE start to bring them some money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 6:16:06 GMT -5
NWN is the fifth game in the series to be enhanced by Beamdog and NWN2 won't be far behind. All of the releases have been very successful. I think it's safe to say that Beamdog has a business agreement with the original IP owners.
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Post by FlyingMidget on Jun 21, 2018 16:28:29 GMT -5
For those that haven't acquired it yet, but are looking to purchase it sometime in the near future, NWN:EE is currently on sale on steam for 15% off, it's not much of a saving (about the price of a coffee), but who knows it might make it more appealing to some of us to pick it up then it's standard price in the case we do end up moving to NWN:EE (which has been suggested is very very likely to happen sooner or later).
FM.
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Post by DOT on Jun 21, 2018 18:06:14 GMT -5
I'm waiting until xmas or black Friday till buying
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Post by Warlord on Jun 22, 2018 1:45:21 GMT -5
You can wait that long but you honestly may save upwards of 5$'s at best. If you want 5$'s, I'll just send you 5$'s since you live near, or wait until you're in orlando so we can get half naked again, drunk, and in tears.
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Post by Orchid on Jun 22, 2018 2:40:10 GMT -5
I'm waiting until xmas or black Friday till buying Alan beat me to it, but yea, I'll foot your EE bill too if ya want, you're a good mate
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Post by Orchid on Jun 22, 2018 2:42:24 GMT -5
You can wait that long but you honestly may save upwards of 5$'s at best. If you want 5$'s, I'll just send you 5$'s since you live near, or wait until you're in orlando so we can get half naked again, drunk, and in tears. Y'all should come see me...I'm up in 904
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Post by DOT on Jun 22, 2018 3:14:27 GMT -5
Iāll take payment in cash, unmarked bills
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Post by hellscream123 on Jun 22, 2018 3:25:23 GMT -5
Wanna throw money at me just coz then?
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Post by Orchid on Jun 22, 2018 8:51:21 GMT -5
Wanna throw money at me just coz then? PM me, I got you fam
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Post by FlyingMidget on Aug 7, 2018 18:41:51 GMT -5
I've not posted here in a while and most of it I've been familiar with for a while now, but for those that aren't following NWN:EE news too closely but are interested in knowing what is coming out of it for this old gal we all love and enjoy, this isn't everything per usual I've cherry picked things that I think the community that isn't following the news much might be interested in hearing about.
The game is being updated to 64bit (it should be on the next development build of NWN:EE to the best of my knowledge, who knows when it'll make it to stable release though as of yet), it may break things in the near future, it might not, but it will be important in the long run.
NWSync should also be in testing in the next development build, which is the auto-hak downloader Beamdog have been working on, all hints regarding it suggest it'll be a matter of connecting to a server, it'll check what haks are required for it, check what you already have and download only missing parts (one of the past live streams with Niv, suggested that it'll likely be checking components of a hak-pack that are missing to be downloaded so if you have the majority of such already in say CEP or Project-Q it'll use the assets from such rather then making you download and store duplicate data on your drives, fingers crossed this works out as it'll make any servers considering custom outfits, classes, tilesets and whatever else via hak far easier to join, test out or when they inevitably require updating)
Beamdog has continued to slowly release teasers overrides to showcase some of the textures they've been working on updating like the Halls of Justice and Player Model I've posted way back, more recently some great-axes, rapiers and kukri's have been added to their steam workshop page found at steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198407315141/myworkshopfiles/?appid=704450 for people to test out and get an early peek at.
Dynamic UI scaling is being reviewed currently and they're looking into allowing things like dragging windows (your inventory, character sheet, that sorta stuff) and even a text font size slider for those of us that would love to have a slightly larger font size ! (this was mentioned in the 27th of July Live Stream / Livestream Recap)
Chat and Combat log save their sizes correctly, no need to set them up each time you start NWN (Quality of life change <3 )
The Whirlwind bug was fixed like a month back, no longer risking bugging out your weapon masters to perform the area of effect dance-fight will likely be pleasing to players that have such, most of the Intel GPU related crashes have been fixed (there are still some occasionally that happen but they're trying to deal with them on a case by case basis and it's no longer to my knowledge out right locking players out of playing their characters on a server as it once was).
Character generator supports a list format for races, which opens doors to allowing custom content race creation with haks which will appear in the character generator for servers/modules that wish to make use of such in a significantly more professional appearance (this wasn't the last stable patch but the patch before).
The past three Beamdog live stream recaps for those interested are below, they have links to the youtube video associated with the recap for those that want to take a look and have the time for it as well.
FM.
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Post by malclave on Aug 7, 2018 19:39:58 GMT -5
Beamdog has continued to slowly release teasers overrides to showcase some of the textures they've been working on updating like the Halls of Justice and Player Model I've posted way back, more recently some great-axes, rapiers and kukri's have been added to their steam workshop page found at steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198407315141/myworkshopfiles/?appid=704450 for people to test out and get an early peek at. I see that page also has an "Enhanced Aribeth" model. For some reason, just the phrase brings to mind some of the "chest slider" discussions from the Old City of Heroes MMO... just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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Post by xeneize on Aug 28, 2018 15:15:21 GMT -5
Are there any news about the plans/progress on switching to the Enhanced version of the game? I do believe the longer that we go on without the switch, the more damage the playerbase will sustain. We've already gone from pretty much full server everyday to 20 strong on good days in just a couple months. This kind of statistic should be alarming enough to encourage the move in my own opinion.
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Post by FlyingMidget on Aug 28, 2018 16:31:33 GMT -5
It's planned to happen when possible, there are still features that FRC makes use of and requires that are not currently available in either NWN:EE or it's new version NWNx and when such comes it will likely still take time as it will require someone to update various scripts to the newer ways of doing things, test things out and consider any changes that should be made while migrating if any.
On the mention of numbers, there's always been a ebb and flow to the player base, NWN:EE's hype at the beginning brought in a whole bunch of new and returning players, various players have gotten burnt out and are taking a break, others have had RL kick into override, some have taken abit of time off to do other fun things and various other factors have affected such. While I'm a big supporter of NWN:EE, it won't instantly fix everything (and various things we enjoy now may break until someone has a chance to track down the cause and fix such) and it's quite likely the population of the server will remain similar even if we were to move right away, people tend to play where they wish to play and will do so until they become burned out/bored or disillusioned and wanting something different for a time, that's without counting those that don't wish to purchase EE and might not change over for quite sometime.
In short, enjoy FRC for what it is with those that play here as a community, we'll get there but it's going to take time and somethings may take more time to consider how to approach and/or change with the migration.
FM.
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Post by sergeil on Aug 28, 2018 23:22:15 GMT -5
I do believe the longer that we go on without the switch, the more damage the playerbase will sustain I do not see any risks for community to postpone migration, as minimum, for one year. As for me, EE is still betta.
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Post by sergeil on Aug 28, 2018 23:58:57 GMT -5
This kind of statistic should be alarming enough to encourage the move in my own opinion. In most cases statistic is slippery, unreliable and very tricky thing, because it is very depend of point of view and how it is collected. There is common sense, that tells me that early migration will bring harm for community. FRC should not take any risks. As I already wrote: "It is very difficult to create something good and it is so easy to destroy it". PS: From time to time i start EE to see progress of bug fixing. Unfortunately, it is very slow process. So, I do not see any reason to hurry too.
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Post by utran on Aug 29, 2018 2:52:15 GMT -5
I second it. There is no reason to hurry because of hipe. Take as long time as it is needs.
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Post by Pandora on Aug 29, 2018 10:49:22 GMT -5
FRC will migrate to EE. THe DM team is behind this and I'll reiterate the commitment to it. As previously mentioned, there are features we use on FRC that are not available in NWN:EE at this time. That requires behind the screens work to update, test and so forth.
FRC has always been about the roleplaying experience and the community that has grown together over the years. EE will happen, we'll get there, it's a journey. Don't forget to enjoy the pleasure of sharing and telling and growing a story with others along the way.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Aug 29, 2018 13:24:22 GMT -5
If frc moves to EE what happens to old frc?
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Post by sergeil on Aug 29, 2018 15:12:56 GMT -5
If frc moves to EE what happens to old frc? I think, it is better to ask "when frc moves to EE what happens to old frc?". FRC migrate sooner or later. It is fate. EE is like "new car syndrome". But I do not think that anybody is ready to answer about old server right now. PS: In my humble opinion, old FRC should die. I don't belive, that DM team have so much resources to support both servers together. It is not commercial company who can recruit staff and support everything for your money.
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Post by Nicoen on Aug 30, 2018 4:05:43 GMT -5
It would be the death of FRC if they don't shut down the Diamond Edition server when they move to EE.
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Post by Abii on Aug 30, 2018 8:31:27 GMT -5
What will happen with PCs after moving to EE, will the PCs move aswell, or we will have a mass wipe ?
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Post by mandene on Aug 30, 2018 8:33:44 GMT -5
What will happen with PCs after moving to EE, will the PCs move aswell, or we will have a mass wipe ?
No wipe - the idea is that you don't notice much difference as a player.
Similarly how we didn't loose more than around 1 day of playing after latest server move.
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