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Post by Fenix on Nov 20, 2017 21:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 21:32:57 GMT -5
I was just about to post it I really only want a few things from this a) Working nvidia drivers again b) Less issue with windows 10 updates that made some peoples games take an eternity to load any area c) For the enhanced edition client to be able to play on existing servers If c) is correct, I really hope FRC starts up some marketing/recruitment campaigns to get some very much needed new blood into the server. If they start making bug fixes to gameplay, adding or changing classes etc, like they did with BG:EE, then compatibility with old servers goes down the drain.
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Post by malclave on Nov 20, 2017 23:05:53 GMT -5
Well, the page Fenix linked says they worked with "key members of the ... community" and that it's backwards compatible with mods, so fingers crossed.
Hopefully they realize if it's too much work for the servers to adapt, they'll be hurting the game more than helping.
I'm not even sure what would happen if they added classes, since it's server vault.
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Post by Fenix on Nov 20, 2017 23:43:50 GMT -5
Well, the page Fenix linked says they worked with "key members of the ... community" and that it's backwards compatible with mods, so fingers crossed. Hopefully they realize if it's too much work for the servers to adapt, they'll be hurting the game more than helping. I'm not even sure what would happen if they added classes, since it's server vault. Doesnt seem like they added classes, but i have to imagine if theyre working with community members, migration should be a breeze for modules. I can only say that it would most likely be the top priority of remaining community members to make sure the existing servers would be able to join into the EE. That being said, my hope is that they also streamlined installing HAKs, making it easier to join new servers, and welcome new players, or to update old servers with some new stuff. Wink. WINK.
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Post by Razgriz on Nov 21, 2017 0:18:08 GMT -5
Interesting. Maybe FRC's style of "CEP only" could mean less issues and trouble as well.
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Post by Animayhem on Nov 21, 2017 10:38:25 GMT -5
I was just about to post it I really only want a few things from this a) Working nvidia drivers again b) Less issue with windows 10 updates that made some peoples games take an eternity to load any area c) For the enhanced edition client to be able to play on existing servers If c) is correct, I really hope FRC starts up some marketing/recruitment campaigns to get some very much needed new blood into the server. If they start making bug fixes to gameplay, adding or changing classes etc, like they did with BG:EE, then compatibility with old servers goes down the drain. We have some "new blood" on the server already and few more on deck. Yes hopefully it will work here if not no big deal as rp the thing here.
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Post by uriziel on Nov 21, 2017 12:25:17 GMT -5
I rarely let myself get excited. I've gone to concerts, theme parks and movies without so much as a smile until I'm actually there and having a good time.
I am excited for this. If it does stuff right, NWN might be just a little bit reinvigorated. That chance alone excites me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 14:07:27 GMT -5
From the livestream's chat with devs, I'll post more as they come.
Q: How much of the game can you softsource? A: We're going to be letting the NWN community guide development, so if you've had a list of functions you've always wished were exposed I invite you to head to the Beamdog NWN forums
Q: question is, will there be online persistent world support? A: yep. we're supporting PWs (including NWNX), so that the migration is going to be as painless as possible.
Q: NWNX is going into the enhanced edition?! A: correct. it's not QUITE 100% done yet, but we'll get there Any Day Now(tm)
Q: What about nwncx? A: nwncx is a no-show for now. we'd like to pull in popular nwncx improvements into the base game, so everyone can enjoy them.
Q: Hmm....what about giving NWN Enhanced multi-core support? NWN1 came from a time before multi-core CPUs existed. A: a long and traiterous road to travel. something for the future.
Q: Will the 16k resource limit be raised? A: not right now, but it's certainly a feature to request.
Q: IS it going to have a diff version number that may jack with online playing? A: nwnx yes, nwncx no. 1.69 clients cant play on EE, and vice versa, because of feature/fix-related networking changes.
Q: Will there be a patch to make people who already have nwn able to play on EE? A: you mean, upgrade the current installation? no. but if you buy it, you can download it and the content migration for haks and so on is mostly just cut/paste.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 14:59:04 GMT -5
Official site and FAQ is up. www.beamdog.com/nwn_faqLooks like it'll cost $19.99 for the standard edition, and $39.99 for the deluxe editon that includes the soundtracks and some additional premium modules. Here's the rest of the Q&A session from the livestream so far: Q: Is there any plans to add z-axis support, or scaling? A: ideas, but no promises at all. Q: any toolset upgrades? A: nothing significant yet, im afraid. Q: it'd be cool if we had some sort of steam workshop integration for multiplayer module content and asset deployment A: a downloader done well is a serious task that needs consideration and discussion before rushing to implement. if you limit it to steam only, you're excluding people who buy it on beamdog, for example, from getting content. Q: Can you confirm any considerations that have been made for PWs? A: that's a wide-reaching question. anything in particular? but i'll bite. performance improvements for the server specifically sourced from active PWs come to mind. lots and LOTS of bug/security fixes. hak preloading before character creation. Q: Do we have more UI flexibility now? <3 Even basic XML stuff like NWN2? A: not yet, im afraid. very big task. post on the forum, vote for it, make noise. Q: I'll be happy if we can get a new master server, and it's reliable. Maintaining your own security system is a bit of a pain, what with users losing their CD keys and so on. A: that exists and is a thing Q: It's gonna be possible to edit some hardcoded things in NwN like base classes or the bug that doesn't let sorcerers and bard learn new spells from prestige classes? Or we're gonna to make noise in the forum for it? A: new base classes are supported now. spellbooks is a different thing that you could open a feature req for; but i'd suggest waiting for the stream and then reading the changelog frist Q: will gnomes be buffed to their rightful place as the supreme race in the forgotten realms? A: only when they can reach the bartop to order a drink Q: will beamdog be putting out new patches and content? A: that's the plan, hence the collection for feature requests. no guarantees on the content, of course. Q: What about the chatrooms? A: just the server browser. all the gamespy-related additions are gone Q: fix combat mode toggle and I will insta-buy A: should be in, if you mean sticky modes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:16:10 GMT -5
The livestream has started, , and I've stopped taking note of the Q&A in chat because it's scrolling by too fast now, and tracking all the verbal Q&A on stream is too hard as a new question is answered by the time I've typed up the last, heh.
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Post by uriziel on Nov 21, 2017 15:43:28 GMT -5
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm wondering:
Is FRC going to make the move from base game to EE?
If so, when?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 16:05:03 GMT -5
www.beamdog.com/files/nwnee_release_notes.pdfWoooo! No more randomly open chests left behind in dungeons? :3 Booooooooooo. There goes my 10 attacks per round monk/assassin with 4 paralyzing death attacks on the first flurry <_< Finally! No more losing half of my spells on crash/relog due to RDD feats and equipment. No stated fix for whirlwind attack, yet.... NWN:EE is looking promising, and if FRC migrates over I'll be here to play it... already pre ordered anyway
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Post by Nicoen on Nov 21, 2017 17:07:07 GMT -5
I think it's pointless to talk about making this the new standard for FRC until it has actually released, so we know what it offers. They're promising a lot of fantasies and "community driven development", but they have yet to actually tell about how this will be "enhanced", other than the graphics, which looks the same as my modded NWN, and some bugfixes.
So far I'm cautious to get hyped, and the fact that the Enhanced Edition can't co-exist with the original NWN is gonna be a headache for all PW's, as they will essentially be forced to choose a segment, the people using the original game or the ones using the new one.
I'm definitely gonna stay tuned and see what they come up with, but right now it's not very impressive or mind blowing/enhanced enough to warrant a whole server migration.
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Post by Razgriz on Nov 21, 2017 17:33:09 GMT -5
c) For the enhanced edition client to be able to play on existing servers If c) is correct, I really hope FRC starts up some marketing/recruitment campaigns to get some very much needed new blood into the server. FRC could use some advertisement, even if remains with the current NWN version. An idea would be to collect the best screenshots/videos of the best looking areas and include them somewhere. Videos and images of busy DM events could help too.
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Post by uriziel on Nov 21, 2017 18:00:27 GMT -5
Caution is good, so long as it's not in an overabundance.
Wait too long and it just leaves you behind the 8 ball, wishing you had just gone forward.
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Post by Animayhem on Nov 21, 2017 18:18:49 GMT -5
c) For the enhanced edition client to be able to play on existing servers If c) is correct, I really hope FRC starts up some marketing/recruitment campaigns to get some very much needed new blood into the server. FRC could use some advertisement, even if remains with the current NWN version. An idea would be to collect the best screenshots/videos of the best looking areas and include them somewhere. Videos and images of busy DM events could help too. There is the FRC group on facebook plus the NWN group. I give permission for the admin of the FRC group to post anything from my folder. My webpage is in my signature. I have recommended FRC in both the NWN and NWN builder group.
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Post by Nicoen on Nov 21, 2017 18:20:08 GMT -5
Caution is good, so long as it's not in an overabundance. Wait too long and it just leaves you behind the 8 ball, wishing you had just gone forward. What does that even mean in this context? The module is compatible with Enhanced Edition, so why is waiting a problem? It requires no effort(according to today's announcements) to run existing modules in Enhanced Edition, so there is no time pressure.
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Post by Animayhem on Nov 21, 2017 18:21:46 GMT -5
I think it's pointless to talk about making this the new standard for FRC until it has actually released, so we know what it offers. They're promising a lot of fantasies and "community driven development", but they have yet to actually tell about how this will be "enhanced", other than the graphics, which looks the same as my modded NWN, and some bugfixes. So far I'm cautious to get hyped, and the fact that the Enhanced Edition can't co-exist with the original NWN is gonna be a headache for all PW's, as they will essentially be forced to choose a segment, the people using the original game or the ones using the new one. I'm definitely gonna stay tuned and see what they come up with, but right now it's not very impressive or mind blowing/enhanced enough to warrant a whole server migration. I agree. ON the NWN facebook group it seems some players have experienced projects of this team and have mentioned they are kind of quick and haphazard and often their additions have bugs.
Personally I think the cep haks have done wonders. What I would like to see is with the current CEP we have all the options are opended such as all the clothing choices and also Tailoring dummies!
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Post by Animayhem on Nov 21, 2017 18:24:11 GMT -5
Caution is good, so long as it's not in an overabundance. Wait too long and it just leaves you behind the 8 ball, wishing you had just gone forward. What does that even mean in this context? The module is compatible with Enhanced Edition, so why is waiting a problem? It requires no effort(according to today's announcements) to run existing modules in Enhanced Edition, so there is no time pressure. Yes. It needs time to get the bugs out.
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Post by uriziel on Nov 21, 2017 18:28:04 GMT -5
Caution is good, so long as it's not in an overabundance. Wait too long and it just leaves you behind the 8 ball, wishing you had just gone forward. What does that even mean in this context? The module is compatible with Enhanced Edition, so why is waiting a problem? It requires no effort(according to today's announcements) to run existing modules in Enhanced Edition, so there is no time pressure. It means that if we wait to join the new stuff, we can get left behind. Players will go to other communities instead.
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Post by Nicoen on Nov 21, 2017 18:31:50 GMT -5
What does that even mean in this context? The module is compatible with Enhanced Edition, so why is waiting a problem? It requires no effort(according to today's announcements) to run existing modules in Enhanced Edition, so there is no time pressure. It means that if we wait to join the new stuff, we can get left behind. Players will go to other communities instead. How do you get players to play on the server with Enhanced Edition, before the Enhanced Edition has been released? And is it worth trying to bring in the new Enhanced Edition players, by risking exclusion of players with the original NWN, which includes current players?
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Post by uriziel on Nov 21, 2017 18:40:05 GMT -5
It means that if we wait to join the new stuff, we can get left behind. Players will go to other communities instead. How do you get players to play on the server with Enhanced Edition, before the Enhanced Edition has been released? And is it worth trying to bring in the new Enhanced Edition players, by risking exclusion of players with the original NWN, which includes current players? I never said you could for the first part. Most people who still play I think are likely end up buying the EE, seeing as the release notes so far already improve it a fair bit and we will start seeing patches for it. Beyond that, it's fairly affordable at $20. So the risk of losing current players is minimal. And once it hits steam, we may see an influx of people come in. Currently it makes little sense to not go for it, and a lot of sense to go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 18:46:59 GMT -5
It means that if we wait to join the new stuff, we can get left behind. Players will go to other communities instead. How do you get players to play on the server with Enhanced Edition, before the Enhanced Edition has been released? He's talking in the context of the future, when it is released. The DM and build teams here I imagine have some very long and hard discussions to have now on FRC's future, whether staying in the current NWN Diamond version, or moving to or even offering up an alternative sister server in NWN:EE. It would be intelligent to have those discussions finished and plans prepared and presented before EE's formal release so the community here knows where the ship is headed, and so that FRC can capitalize on bringing new players in to FRC while the game is resurging in people's interest again with the new release and media buzz around it; whether that's the current Diamond or EE version of FRC, FRC has to present itself as an offering to these new and returning players, and that's not done without a lot of work and planning.
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Post by Nicoen on Nov 21, 2017 18:48:03 GMT -5
How do you get players to play on the server with Enhanced Edition, before the Enhanced Edition has been released? And is it worth trying to bring in the new Enhanced Edition players, by risking exclusion of players with the original NWN, which includes current players? I never said you could for the first part. Most people who still play I think are likely end up buying the EE, seeing as the release notes so far already improve it a fair bit and we will start seeing patches for it. Beyond that, it's fairly affordable at $20. So the risk of losing current players is minimal. And once it hits steam, we may see an influx of people come in. Currently it makes little sense to not go for it, and a lot of sense to go for it. Don't underestimate the stubbornness of people who have played the same game for 16 years, I can easily imagine that some people won't see it as a worthy investment compared to their beloved original NWN, others might see it as a cashgrab(see the reactions to Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition). But let us see how it goes. I hope they bring a lot of new and enhancing features/changes that will make the game better, and if that's the case then it's relevant to take this discussion again, but with a much more clear idea of what the difference is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 18:53:23 GMT -5
I think it's pointless to talk about making this the new standard for FRC until it has actually released, so we know what it offers. They're promising a lot of fantasies and "community driven development", but they have yet to actually tell about how this will be "enhanced", other than the graphics, which looks the same as my modded NWN, and some bugfixes. So far I'm cautious to get hyped, and the fact that the Enhanced Edition can't co-exist with the original NWN is gonna be a headache for all PW's, as they will essentially be forced to choose a segment, the people using the original game or the ones using the new one. I'm definitely gonna stay tuned and see what they come up with, but right now it's not very impressive or mind blowing/enhanced enough to warrant a whole server migration. I agree. ON the NWN facebook group it seems some players have experienced projects of this team and have mentioned they are kind of quick and haphazard and often their additions have bugs.
Personally I think the cep haks have done wonders. What I would like to see is with the current CEP we have all the options are opended such as all the clothing choices and also Tailoring dummies!
Beamdog do have a really terrible reputation with their past releases of the Baldur's Gate Enhanced Editions... they were absolutely bug ridden on release, and even today they still have a lot of new bugs introduced or old bugs never fixed. The difference in their approach with NWN:EE however that gives me a lot of optimism for it all, is that the NWN:EE team at Beamdog are being spearheaded by some of the original big name developers who worked on NWN's initial release, post launch patches, and expansions... One of the devs whose name escapes me now but was mentioned in the livestream is the programmer who wrote the multiplayer portion of NWN as well as nwscript, who has touched just about every part of the game engine and is their guru for all things NWN. So I've a lot more faith in NWN:EE being more stable and bug free than BG:EE was. Not to mention... they're doing an early access program they're calling "Head Start", so big bugs and issues would hopefully be fixed by the time of release because people will be shouting and yelling at the devs to get those things fixed before release.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 18:59:24 GMT -5
I never said you could for the first part. Most people who still play I think are likely end up buying the EE, seeing as the release notes so far already improve it a fair bit and we will start seeing patches for it. Beyond that, it's fairly affordable at $20. So the risk of losing current players is minimal. And once it hits steam, we may see an influx of people come in. Currently it makes little sense to not go for it, and a lot of sense to go for it. Don't underestimate the stubbornness of people who have played the same game for 16 years, I can easily imagine that some people won't see it as a worthy investment compared to their beloved original NWN, others might see it as a cashgrab(see the reactions to Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition). But let us see how it goes. I hope they bring a lot of new and enhancing features/changes that will make the game better, and if that's the case then it's relevant to take this discussion again, but with a much more clear idea of what the difference is. Hehe, I've seen those reactions already with people I've talked to here and from other servers. Some see it as a cash grab, bundling in existing community work then slapping a price tag on it all, and others don't see the benefits of this new version that they might have to buy just to stay on their current servers, if their server were to migrate. The Q&A I listened to and had a few of my own questions answered earlier in the livestream gives me some hope for NWN's future... just have to see what they actually do and deliver.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 22:00:11 GMT -5
How do you get players to play on the server with Enhanced Edition, before the Enhanced Edition has been released? He's talking in the context of the future, when it is released. The DM and build teams here I imagine have some very long and hard discussions to have now on FRC's future, whether staying in the current NWN Diamond version, or moving to or even offering up an alternative sister server in NWN:EE. It would be intelligent to have those discussions finished and plans prepared and presented before EE's formal release so the community here knows where the ship is headed, and so that FRC can capitalize on bringing new players in to FRC while the game is resurging in people's interest again with the new release and media buzz around it; whether that's the current Diamond or EE version of FRC, FRC has to present itself as an offering to these new and returning players, and that's not done without a lot of work and planning. ehh... No such discussion among builders + DM team yet. Well, there are -some- discussions that one could consider indirectly related, but nothing specific about this. I actually had no idea this enhanced version was being developed, so this is a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 22:20:21 GMT -5
He's talking in the context of the future, when it is released. The DM and build teams here I imagine have some very long and hard discussions to have now on FRC's future, whether staying in the current NWN Diamond version, or moving to or even offering up an alternative sister server in NWN:EE. It would be intelligent to have those discussions finished and plans prepared and presented before EE's formal release so the community here knows where the ship is headed, and so that FRC can capitalize on bringing new players in to FRC while the game is resurging in people's interest again with the new release and media buzz around it; whether that's the current Diamond or EE version of FRC, FRC has to present itself as an offering to these new and returning players, and that's not done without a lot of work and planning. ehh... No such discussion among builders + DM team yet. Well, there are -some- discussions that one could consider indirectly related, but nothing specific about this. I actually had no idea this enhanced version was being developed, so this is a surprise. Yet! But yeah, I only know one other server who had foreknowledge of EE, and that's because one of their staff members are a NWNX dev and now EE dev! So they've already launched their EE server and begun work on beginning to move things over towards a full EE launch upon release. Their public topic on EE is an interesting read though, to see all the discussions and thoughts of EE and migrating a community that's dozens of times larger than FRC's own has provided some interesting insights.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 15:26:35 GMT -5
From the mouth of an NWN:EE dev elsewhere.
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Post by Animayhem on Nov 22, 2017 15:35:54 GMT -5
Remember not all PW's use the same systems. I think we should allow the builder's and admins time to digest. I have played on some worlds with more enhanced systems in some respect to here. However, PW are people oriented not single player. What is the point of having all the bells and whistles but no players?
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