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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on May 31, 2005 17:35:02 GMT -5
I HATE the idea of "hunting" or "training". To me it sounds more like "Let's make an IC excuse to go get some xp." Because if you go hunting/training against kobolds in a cave, you are invading THEIR home and killing them. And for what purpose? There are a few creatures I can feasibly think to hunt (undead for one). But most creatures are just trying to stake out their own territory. When goblins come raiding a town and kill all the villagers, we call it evil, when humans kill a bunch of goblins in a cave, it is called good. Please, use some other excuse to go gain xp and loot besides "training" or "hunting".
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Post by soulfien on May 31, 2005 17:43:19 GMT -5
I agree 100%
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Post by Misha Aogail on May 31, 2005 18:57:04 GMT -5
I know Shari's used the excuse "pushing back the newest wave" for some of the orc killings she's gone on. Come on people... You can be creative! Use that thing called imagination. I know you have it 'cause if you didn't, you wouldn't be playing on a n RP server! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Orkid on May 31, 2005 19:13:05 GMT -5
*at no point when i say you , your, or any other pronoun am i in any way refering to the poster of this message or anyone else* I have in the (recent) past used these two specific terms for going out and killing baddies , and frankly i find them far preferable to "let's go to this place and kill some giants" or "im bored, let's go fight with those orcs" or "im out of gold lets go loot that crypt" (which you just looted yesterday, so how is the loot replenished in those 24hrs or less, undead dont collect gold....?) . I will admit i was never completely comfortable with the "training" usage, but im sorry , that's what gaining xp is , using your skills to hone them in the hope that you might improve them. How can you fault someone for wanting to better their abilities? My character is (as one of his many functions) a cartographer , and when im going to new areas it makes a great excuse , but its still just that , an excuse. Anytime you go out and are not on a DM quest or traveling from point A to B, where you need to do some shopping (or whatever) , your using an excuse. So while everyone else is out persuing their good deeds (excuses) , why cant others go and perform some genicide on lesser creatures who would raid our towns if we didn't keep their populations under control by making the occaisional raid on their homes? That's why the areas are there , as long as your not farming 'em , what's the harm? *at the same time i say all this, i am not advocating the use of these terms, please dont take this as an affront to you im just providing a perspective, and am curious as to your reasons for gaining xp, but if your so uncomfortable with these words, are you trying to tell us that you (and i do mean Quadhund here) dont make your own "excuses"?*
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on May 31, 2005 23:18:28 GMT -5
Actually up until the past week or so, I hadnt gone adventuring for about 2.5 months. Now that I have started again, it has mostly been farming and powergaming. No excuse needed, just soloing in the dark. However, for good excuses, I like Shari's, I also like Manshin's usual, "Eveningstar is under attack" Or "let's go cut off the supply lines of the Olrogs (what he means is Orogs)". Anways, whenever you are going out to get xp, yes you are making an excuse. However, I just disagree with the idea of training through KILLING! Let me just ask you this, do you consider it good of a person to kill? That is my only beef with this idea. That good people go around KILLING so that they can better themselves.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on May 31, 2005 23:28:48 GMT -5
I HATE the idea of "hunting" or "training". To me it sounds more like "Let's make an IC excuse to go get some xp." Because if you go hunting/training against kobolds in a cave, you are invading THEIR home and killing them. And for what purpose? There are a few creatures I can feasibly think to hunt (undead for one). But most creatures are just trying to stake out their own territory. When goblins come raiding a town and kill all the villagers, we call it evil, when humans kill a bunch of goblins in a cave, it is called good. Please, use some other excuse to go gain xp and loot besides "training" or "hunting". No doubt! The terms "hunting" and "training" have been carried over from some other server(s). I don't know who started it, but I wish it would stop. Rather... next person I see saying it will expect some serious "training" at the end of the tunnel. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Sabremoe on Jun 1, 2005 3:43:44 GMT -5
Can't you people just play for fun? What if the person saying "hunting" is a ranger/hunter? What if the person killing for training/fun is a baddy? A lot of what ifs, you can't impose your own personal rules/beliefs on everybody else ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Unless your forum name is DM Justicar, then you impose whatever you like on anybody on the server ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jun 1, 2005 9:10:31 GMT -5
Can't you people just play for fun? What if the person saying "hunting" is a ranger/hunter? What if the person killing for training/fun is a baddy? A lot of what ifs, you can't impose your own personal rules/beliefs on everybody else ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Unless your forum name is DM Justicar, then you impose whatever you like on anybody on the server ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) The actual point here Mo was just that these have become clever euphanisms for "Lets go power level each other". My greatest goal is creating an environment that is fun and I am trying to level the playing field for everyone. So, having said that, we are just suggesting this end mainly because the DM's are ready to take some serious action against those who are destroying the role-playing on the server by choosing to powergame. Oh, and I don't want to impose my beliefs on anybody, the world wouldn't be any fun that way... I just really want people to try and wrap their heads around the idea that we would rather be an RP server, not a powergamers paradise. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Sabremoe on Jun 1, 2005 10:01:54 GMT -5
Understood =)
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Post by Grozer on Jun 1, 2005 10:05:09 GMT -5
The actual point here Mo was just that these have become clever euphanisms for "Lets go power level each other". My greatest goal is creating an environment that is fun and I am trying to level the playing field for everyone. So, having said that, we are just suggesting this end mainly because the DM's are ready to take some serious action against those who are destroying the role-playing on the server by choosing to powergame. Maybe I am misinterpreting this statement but is it really considered power gaming to want to go around and "hunt" (for lack of a better term)? I mean yes this is an RP server and I spend at least 51% of my time in RP but I also want to explore Cormyr and enjoy some of the great areas the DM staff is working so hard to build for us. As far as the killing for training... I have to agree with Sabre, this may not be logical for a good character but it would not be a stretch for some other characters.
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Post by soulfien on Jun 1, 2005 10:22:38 GMT -5
Powergaming is working to build your character up as much as you can. How many times can you go clean out the kobold cave? Once, in reality. If you go back again (in reality it'd be an empty cave) it is powergaming- farming to be more specific.
The problem lies in this being the only way to advance. Even with really low xp for monsters, it's MUCH faster to farm than it is to get RP experience.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Jun 1, 2005 10:25:27 GMT -5
I love it when players explore the module in parties with meaningful RP along the way. What I would like to see avoided is the two man party where people run through an area as fast as they can together without ever speaking a word to one another about anything, least of all their environment. So, without aurguing somantics, I am just asking that players try and actively avoid this pitfall. I am not trying to be a "word nazi" and tell people the specific language they need to use, though I would prefer those that are using these words as euphanisms for powerleving stop doing that. I think party play is the most wonderful aspect that we have, but I am seeing alot of activities that are questionable, and sometimes downright disrespectful of the environment we have worked so hard on. When I see a couple of guys running through an area "hunting" without a word spoken to one another for great periods of time, I know what kind of mission they are on. That's all I meant. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by racestark on Jun 1, 2005 12:44:44 GMT -5
Not to be a 'word nazi' myself, but it's spelled semantics. ;D And I agree, partying is SOOO much more fun! Especially if you can one of those witty rogues in your party.
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Post by soulfien on Jun 1, 2005 14:42:13 GMT -5
Like Torian? ;D
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Jun 1, 2005 15:07:07 GMT -5
*snaps his fingers* Damn, I thought he meant hroth ...
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Post by kenny26 on Jun 1, 2005 16:22:22 GMT -5
i agree that these terms are poor RP. i never use them with jargo, he's a warrior of tempus and he takes pride in saying things the way they are: "i'm goin to pick a fight" ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) he knows he's invading his enemie's territories and he considers it to be warfare for the good of cormyr. if i was to play a malarite druid, i would use the term hunting because they actually do hunt humanoid creatures on occasion, considering them to be challenging prey. if i say hunting while ic, i use the word the way it's normally used meaning to go hunt prey in the woods.
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Post by Booze Hound on Jun 2, 2005 11:18:32 GMT -5
course you can always go look for the 'source' of the critters to try to stop them from harassing travellers. like going to find the Orog caves, and spending several dangerous hours scouring just one map, killing lots of orogs, but actually looking for a cave entrance. or a camp or something. (remember Hroth? and Justi asked if we were farming) ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) hehbut i think basically the whole idea of this thread is to just be creative in why you are going somewhere. don't go hit the same place a hundred times cause you know there are good spawns there. explore for the sake of exploring with others and the RP/XP combo will be more than worth it, believe me. and if there is no-one else on when you are, don't go to that 'honey-hole' you like so much, go find a place you have never seen. yeah it is more dangerous, but what's more fun that when your friends finally log on that saying 'Guys! I found an amazing place full of wonderous creatures, and would like to explore more of it, but it is far too dangerous on my own. Anyone want to come with me so we can make others aware of the dangers/wonders?' see? fun huh? ;D
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Post by Manshin on Jun 2, 2005 12:37:31 GMT -5
Well, there is already a perfectly good RP excuse to "hunt" or "push back the newest wave of orcs." These creatures are invading Cormyrian soil. You can think of all the creative ways to say it you like, but the fact is, they arent going to come to you, because they have no A.I. to do that. However, if we go by the source material, creatures like orcs and even kobalds amassing near human settlements is cause for concern. As for training, I dont think that is such an off term to use either. In a land where a severe wound can be healed with a potion instantly, you would find people who tend to train with actual combat (Imagine the heights of skill warriors here on Earth would have reached if they had had access to healing potions!). As one gets no XP for sparring, its a bit difficult to show much progress in your skill set from beating on combat dummies all day. One of the greatest RP feats you can acheive in FRC, is for your character to beleive that Cormyr is a land under seige. There are various dangers all around, and if you listen to the NPCs, they try to impress upon us that these forces arent settling, they are invading! That means, when you go out to "hunt" your character should feel a sense or urgency. I especially like the Eveningstar region because the Orcs are actually at the gates. It makes it easy to say "Eveningstar is under seige, they are calling out to adventueres, lets go help." Also, try to bare in mind some of the newbs dont get as wrapped up in the RP, because they have yet to experiance the fun of being caught up in a good plot. As the seasoned players on FRC, we should try to include newbs into our little agendas to give them a taste.
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Post by kenny26 on Jun 2, 2005 19:56:25 GMT -5
manshin has a good point here. cormyr is being invaded so even though on the screen you're the agressor, IC you're a defender.
the only reason why the monsters aren't actually trying to invade civilized areas is because this would require extensive scripting and cause excessive lag to the server.
so one of the best IC reasons for hunting XP is that you're trying to push back the hordes of invaders.
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Post by Misha Aogail on Jun 2, 2005 23:02:40 GMT -5
Someone asking for a hunt..uh, kill.. er... Murde... party member? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by MithrilBlade on Jun 3, 2005 4:53:13 GMT -5
And about kobolds, they are lawful evil things and definetly powerhungry, basically it's NOT just them "defending their home", they're evil and cruel just like orcs even if they were smaller and you love Deekin. People should remember that there are just some laws in DnD, it is not real life guys, you can't include modern philosophy to fantasy settings (unless your character wouldn't have like 50 wisdom and would've figured them out by him/herself), it just makes no sense. If we look at orcs/kobolds/goblins/giants they're all mean no matter how you go and smash their skulls violently and loot their treasures, nobody should really frown to you that you're performing massacre, it's doing good for the enviroment. As for the words mainly might use words like hunting because my vocabulary is limited for the fact I'm Finnish, so I can't always find million synonyme for same purpose (and I'm too lazy to bother ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) ) so don't take it offensive, but I'll try to avoid these hate words in future then.
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Post by Grozer on Jun 3, 2005 10:18:52 GMT -5
manshin has a good point here. cormyr is being invaded so even though on the screen you're the agressor, IC you're a defender. the only reason why the monsters aren't actually trying to invade civilized areas is because this would require extensive scripting and cause excessive lag to the server. so one of the best IC reasons for hunting XP is that you're trying to push back the hordes of invaders. hmmm.. push them back? Nahhh... I wanted to invite them in for tea! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Jun 3, 2005 10:21:38 GMT -5
I was merely saying that using these words, hunting and training, to me made no sense unless you were evil, neutral. I understand the ranger and favored enemies, but there are more excuses than hunting and training. Translate this to our modern world. I believe there are evil people out there. I believe by fighting and killing I could become better at it. Do I actively seek out evil and kill it to make myself better? Sounds like I am just a different kind of evil. Now if a man invades my house and threatens my life, will I kill him? Yes, because it is self defense. Likewise, if you are going out to defend cormyr, then that makes perfect sense IC, and I like those excuses.
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Post by Manshin on Jun 3, 2005 12:43:41 GMT -5
Well, Quad, in all fairness, you dont live in a medevil society witch is surrounded in a sea of violent bloodthirsty enemies. Hunting "Evil" people (If such a thing actually exists) in real life will get you a seat in the electric chair. Doing it Isinhold may give the realm a slight chance of survival. And please, consider the impact instant healing would have on a society. I do agree, training is a bit light of a term to use when speaking about raiding and repelling an attacking force, but with the ability to fight actual battles and recover from grievious wounds by drinking some frothy blue liquid, you would have to expect a differant mind-set to the people who grew up in such a place. This is a world where getting a long sword rammed into your gut actually is a learning experiance. It's not inconcievable for soldiers to go out in light skirmishes and raid enemy camps to get their troops some battlefield seasoning. As for hunting, well, maybe thats a Ranger term.. after all Aragorn and his Dundain "hunted" the lands around the shire. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The way I look at is, Isinhold is one big house, and all the baddies are braking in. What we do to them now, perhaps outside of torture, is fair game.
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Post by MithrilBlade on Jun 3, 2005 14:29:51 GMT -5
Agreed with Manshin, he got the main point, IRL you can step out and enjoy the beautiful day when in FR you step out and there's 12 kobolds shooting you with crossbows, doesn't that make you want to bash their skulls for your or your family's safety?
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Post by Spooks on Jun 4, 2005 0:30:17 GMT -5
If in real life, you had groups and tribes of savage killers sitting right outside your city, who would kill anyone who passed, without thinking twice... I am sure the government would hunt em down... but at the global scale that it is in Forgotten Realms, The government would just protect cities, and vigilante "hunters" willing to go and kill these things, would probably be encouraged... this is all theory... but the thing is, yah most people dont need a reason other than, "Let's go kill these monsters, because if we dont, they will kill others..." And for evil people who dont care about other people, they would just go kill for the fun of killing!...
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Post by Jerico on Jun 4, 2005 3:11:35 GMT -5
A term that has been used by organized groups is Patroling.
"Patroling the Crypts for undead activity"
"Patroling the roads to keep the caravans safe" Then a few Orc/Orog/Kobold attackers along the way draw you back to the source of the activity.
"Heading out to Patrol the Storm Horns for activity"
For the defenders of Cormyr, even the ones who do it in the covers of Shadow this term is useful.
For those of of us who work in the Shadows... "I am scouting the Northern reaches of Suzail to see what activity is there."
Just a few idea to pass to others in other ways to explain the XP... Creature hunt.
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Post by Lord_Raven88 on Jun 7, 2005 17:57:11 GMT -5
I prefer saying;
"Lets go kill some semi-helpless sentient life forms, because they inexplicably have my loot in their possession, also it's fun and I'm bored" ;D
//It's something Belker would say//
But seriously, Cormyr has been invaded by these blighter's, I say kill them all, show them no mercy, hunt the scum down to last woman, man or child.
What would be funny though, would be if some Kobolds came forward to the local authorities and charged certain adventurers with murder, theft and wanton destruction.
I'd love to see that case go to court.
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Post by darkvoid on Jun 7, 2005 18:07:27 GMT -5
lol I can see it now. A kobold walks up to a Purple Knight, tugs on his cload and says, "Excuse me sir . . ." The knight turns around and says, "Ah! A kobold!" And beheads him on the spot. Case closed! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Kharn597 on Jun 7, 2005 19:35:57 GMT -5
Actually the kobolds come forward has been done before. That was a long time ago when DM Richard use to do lots with the lower level characters. He did this awesome one with kobolds, where this one kobold was trying to get his children back that were kidnapped by an evil human. He went into town to ask adventurers for help and they followed him down the well. It was well rped. Sure was nice seeing those little impromt to rp moments and adventures the dms use to do. I am sure there are others here who remember that.
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