Panros
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Post by Panros on Apr 30, 2007 0:55:20 GMT -5
This night when our most famous bad guys attacked Isinhold. I saw all of them thanks to a nifty true seeing potion. So, when all lay dead, except for one... and that one I chased, how in the nine hells where the dead bad guys raised?
Just something that is bothering me. I'm quite angry with this actually. Sedate this feeling with an explanation someone, please.
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 30, 2007 1:22:08 GMT -5
Panros, I was the DM on watching the entire attack. And just because you're beating on someone doesn't mean that they can't get a spell or five off. All a person needs is a successful concentration check and they can cast a spell. That's it. He cast a spell and used a heal kit (Manshin had stabalized, if you want to know) in the few seconds of headway he got from his persuers. He had luck on his side this time is all.
Stuff happens and the fact that Veshal even lived to make the miraculous saves he did was sheer luck.
There was no abusing game mechanics or metagaming or anything else of that sort.
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Panros
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Post by Panros on Apr 30, 2007 8:10:40 GMT -5
Alright, I just wanted to make sure. It's why I asked.
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Manshin
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Post by Manshin on Apr 30, 2007 14:07:06 GMT -5
Remember gang, try to cut each other the benifit of the doubt once in a while. Just because you dont know how something occured doesnt mean the other team cheated. I know loosing sucks, but keep in mind, Ranan and Veshal have been loosing PvP for years. This was among their first decisive victories in a major PvP encounter, and its no fun if its cheapened by accusations of foul play. I know you were just asking Panros, but in the future, please do try to leave things like "Im really angry" out of it unless you know there was something bad going on. Veshal saved our butts and turned an almost certain defeat into a come-from-behind victory. He really deserves to savor his victory, not have to answer an inquiry about cheating. Just remember, the bad guys won this time, but next time it will probably be differant. Without bad guys, the server gets pretty dull pretty quick. The whole point of bad guys is to give good guys a thinking, challenging enemy to go up against... something a bit more entertaining than the AI drivin monsters. Anyway, I hope there are no hard feelings... and if there are, there shouldnt be. Also, the "only" reason the good guys got whooped last night is because they split up. In the end, we wound up double teaming all the good guys one at a time since they were all over the map and we were sticking together. Knights work better in formation.  Zombie Manshin |
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Post by Kolfrosta on Apr 30, 2007 14:18:29 GMT -5
He's right of course. We lost because we found ourselves spread out and they took us one at a time.... Kudos to Veshal. Without him the bad guys wouldn't have been able to do it. Nice work on the part of the bad guys. (Maybe next time will be different ) On a side note, due to actions in game and spells going, someone could easily point at me for abusing a game mechanic. Why you may ask? Check this: [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:24] Sharita Amraphen attacks Ranan Hallomein : *hit* : (7 + 30 = 37) [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:25] Sharita Amraphen attacks Ranan Hallomein : *miss* : (2 + 25 = 27) [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:25] Sharita Amraphen damages Ranan Hallomein: 13 (13 Physical) [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:25] Ranan Hallomein : Damage Immunity absorbs 1 point(s) of Physical [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:26] Sharita Amraphen attacks Ranan Hallomein : *critical hit* : (20 + 40 = 60 : Threat Roll: 20 + 40 = 60) [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:26] Sharita Amraphen damages Ranan Hallomein: 31 (31 Physical) [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:26] Ranan Hallomein : Damage Immunity absorbs 1 point(s) of Physical [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:27] Ranan Hallomein: //gtr sanct? [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:39] Sharita Amraphen: //kk [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:44] Sharita Amraphen: //didn't know [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:54] Torgeir: Darnkess. [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:54] Ranan Hallomein: //its cool it shoulda worked [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:55] Your character was just saved to the server vault [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:06:56] Torgeir: In the middle. [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:00] DM Aodhan: //He does have greater sanct. on. [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:03] Sharita Amraphen: [Tell] have TS on [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:08] Torgeir uses Potion of Bull's Strength [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:10] Torgeir uses Potion of Cat's Grace [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:12] Ranan Hallomein: [Tell] beats sanct? [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:13] Torgeir uses Potion of Barkskin [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:16] Torgeir uses Potion of Aid [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:18] Torgeir uses Potion of Protection from Evil [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:20] Sharita Amraphen: [Tell] um..i have no idea .... [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:20] Torgeir uses Potion of Heroism [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:07:34] Sharita Amraphen: [Tell] i'll go with it doesn't Simply because I didn't know Ranan had Greater Sanctuary on. And even though True Seeing will let me see him, going by the rules of the spell, Sharita would see him but have no desire to attack him. (as you can see, we worked that out, and this is how Ranan got back to get Manshin on his feet......shortly thereafter: [CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 01:08:18] Manshin The Wind Walker killed Sharita Amraphen) Still after a short chat (I'm not really good at PvP..this was Shari's third ever) I thought it was all very cool, and nothing against any of the players involved. Heh..it was fun enough to stay up well after bedtime! Thanks for the fun guys! |
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Post by littlelotte on Apr 30, 2007 15:10:58 GMT -5
Huge Kudos to Veshal and the baddies. I thought it was all done perfectly.
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Manshin
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Post by Manshin on Apr 30, 2007 15:26:55 GMT -5
As for greater Santuary, the other day Manshin was able to attack Aria Blake through greater santuary as well. There is no way for me to know if she is protected by the spell, so I just press attack, by the time she told me, she was already dead, and I was down the road.
I think the glitch comes from this: If you are already protected by greater santuary and THEN toggle or are toggled hostile, I think it wont work right away. Im not positive, but this is my best guess. It should probably be tested.
Zombie Manshin
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Myth
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Post by Myth on Apr 30, 2007 15:52:13 GMT -5
As for greater Santuary, the other day Manshin was able to attack Aria Blake through greater santuary as well. There is no way for me to know if she is protected by the spell, so I just press attack, by the time she told me, she was already dead, and I was down the road. I think the glitch comes from this: If you are already protected by greater santuary and THEN toggle or are toggled hostile, I think it wont work right away. Im not positive, but this is my best guess. It should probably be tested. Zombie Manshin *nodnod* From my testing it turns out that it's exactly as you say. You need to first toggle hostile, then cast the spell... I did some testing of my own regarding this spell and it seems it's the only way it can work... |
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Post by SlothfulCat on Apr 30, 2007 16:02:24 GMT -5
Actually we had a second scrap me and Manshin where he'd been toggled to hostile with me for hours, and was still able to attack me through greater sanctuary...
None: sanctuaried people have blue dots floating around them and may appear a bit see through... thats 1 good way to tell...
meanwhile... teh spell is no save no resistance... so it should work flawlessly every time....
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 30, 2007 16:10:29 GMT -5
Greater Sanctuary has even failed when NPCs use it (those at the monistary witnessed this), so... *shrugs*
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Post by moulinous on Apr 30, 2007 16:36:31 GMT -5
meanwhile... teh spell is no save no resistance... so it should work flawlessly every time.... nor does teleport but sometimes a hitter is willed by his gods, his ki, or his damm able luck...or Beeshba just does not like you at that moment and wham-bamm....your head is being handed to you...*shrugs*just smile and grin...and plan to whup on him next time |
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 30, 2007 16:39:18 GMT -5
Just a reminder to those that were there, please send me a copy of your logs for that night. Please. The whole log too, no editing. Thanks guys for cooperating.
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Post by Grozer on Apr 30, 2007 16:57:53 GMT -5
Sharita and I were hostiled the whole times.. .hours before I even ended up in Isinhold so I dont think that is the issue.
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Post by Savage on Apr 30, 2007 17:05:20 GMT -5
Actually. I think maybe you crashed and had to rejoin because you toggled me hostile earlier in the day. At the same time Veshal and Manshin did. But when we passed you on the Road. Only Veshal was showing hostile.. I didn't see Manshin as he was invisible. I just thought of that. Did you have a crash before the attacks? If so it didn't keep your hostile settings... Just a thought.
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Post by Grozer on Apr 30, 2007 17:08:58 GMT -5
Yes when I relogged I then put everyone on hostile again. I think I missed you because I was being a nice guy.
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Post by Savage on Apr 30, 2007 17:13:40 GMT -5
I knew it. Ranan loves Hoot don't he. He is gettingt tired of all babes and saw the magaize cover... Er... Sorry lets not hijack this thread... |
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Post by Munroe on Apr 30, 2007 17:54:25 GMT -5
I think Bioware fixed Greater Sanctuary in a later patch of NWN so that True Seeing can see through it because otherwise it has no counter. I'm not sure if that is its current behaviour but that's how I remember it. (I read the NWN patch notes.)
To my knowledge, Greater Sanctuary is a Bioware spell. If that is the case then however they make it behave is how it behaves (unless we change it).
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Post by megascorpion on Apr 30, 2007 18:05:58 GMT -5
True seeing can see greater sanct, but one should not be able to attack them, I've had instances where somebody had greater sanct on, and I saw them, but I could not attack them, and that was only a few weeks ago, no patches  Aswell as i've had greater sanct and nobody was able to attack me, even with true seeing. It's a buggy spell, nearly ever works for NPC's (think thats more as they are locked in combat though) Might have been buggier before, but it still doesnt work as it should, and yes I believe it is a bioware spell aswell.. |
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Post by Grozer on Apr 30, 2007 18:54:00 GMT -5
Also, the "only" reason the good guys got whooped last night is because they split up. In the end, we wound up double teaming all the good guys one at a time since they were all over the map and we were sticking together. Knights work better in formation. Zombie Manshin Geez dont help them! *stuffs Manshin back in his jar and removes any ability to speak* |
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Apr 30, 2007 19:46:19 GMT -5
Just to prove there was no metagaming involved... here's the battle logs from just before and just after Ranan and Manshin were raised:
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:15] Sharita Amraphen: YIELD!
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:16] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*hit* : (11 + 40 = 51)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:17] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*miss* : (1 + 35 = 36)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:17] Sharita Amraphen damages Veshal Endun:
16 (16 Physical)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:18] Torgeir uses Potion of Heal
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:18] Veshal Endun : Will Save : *failure* :
(11 + 20 = 31 vs. DC: 50)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:21] Torgeir uses Potion of Stoneskin
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:21] Jerico attacks Veshal Endun : *miss* :
(2 + 37 = 39)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:21] Jerico attacks Veshal Endun : *miss* :
(11 + 32 = 43)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:23] Veshal Endun : Will Save : *failure* :
(4 + 20 = 24 vs. DC: 50)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:24] Veshal Endun casting Raise Dead
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:24] Sneak Attack : Hoot Ruthgar attacks
Veshal Endun : *miss* : (12 + 25 = 37)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:24] Jerico attacks Veshal Endun : *miss* :
(3 + 29 = 32)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:25] Veshal Endun casts Raise Dead
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:25] Zakhary Shepherd uses Potion of Heal
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:26] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*critical hit* : (19 + 40 = 59 : Threat Roll: 8 + 40 = 48)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:26] Jerico uses Potion of Speed
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:27] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*miss* : (1 + 35 = 36)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:27] Sharita Amraphen damages Veshal Endun:
32 (32 Physical)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:28] Veshal Endun : Will Save : *failure* :
(9 + 20 = 29 vs. DC: 50)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:30] Attack Of Opportunity : Sharita
Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun : *miss* : (1 + 40 = 41)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:30] Zakhary Shepherd attempts Improved
Knockdown on Veshal Endun : *miss* : (4 + 28 = 32)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:30] Zakhary Shepherd attacks Veshal Endun
: *miss* : (8 + 27 = 35)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:31] Torgeir attacks Veshal Endun : *miss*
: (3 + 28 = 31)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:31] Torgeir attacks Veshal Endun : *miss*
: (14 + 23 = 37)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:31] Ranan Hallomein casting unknown
spell
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Target is not diseased or poisoned.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Veshal Endun : Heal : *success* : (19 +
27 = 46 vs. DC: 0)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Manshin The Wind Walker : Healed 46 hit
points.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Zakhary Shepherd attacks Veshal Endun
: *miss* : (7 + 22 = 29)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*hit* : (15 + 40 = 55)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:32] Sharita Amraphen attacks Veshal Endun :
*hit* : (12 + 35 = 47)
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Mon Apr 30 07:05:33] Sharita Amraphen damages Veshal Endun:
13 (13 Physical)
As you can see, he was still being beat on, but luck happened to be on his side this time.
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Apr 30, 2007 20:10:41 GMT -5
How the heck do you get a 0 DC on heal in mid-combat? I wasn't there nor do I have any argument with anyone who was lol..I just wish I got those 0 DC heal checks in combat!
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Post by megascorpion on Apr 30, 2007 20:13:18 GMT -5
he had stabilized I believe, there is no DC whatsoever when one is just healing, unless they had a disease or something, and the DC is usualy never higher then 13 or so either way in my experience Actualy tried to raise manshin a couple of times but then i noticed I couldnt click raise(sanctuary) so i tried a kit  |
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Post by DM Hawk on Apr 30, 2007 21:15:56 GMT -5
On Greater Sanctuary - I have a memory about the spell failing to some extent if you cross zones with the spell up. This was from a while back though, about when HOTU came out.
Just throwing that out.
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Post by Munroe on Apr 30, 2007 22:30:15 GMT -5
How the heck do you get a 0 DC on heal in mid-combat? I wasn't there nor do I have any argument with anyone who was lol..I just wish I got those 0 DC heal checks in combat! Heal only has a DC when used against disease or poison. In combat it doesn't Take 20 though so it rolls against a DC of 0 to see how much healing it does. In this case he rolled a 19 out of a possible 20 so a very good roll, near maximum HP gain. |
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Apr 30, 2007 22:50:18 GMT -5
ah, I see...it was the take 20 thing I was thinking of..theres no DC in combat, just can't take 20...gotcha
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Post by Dachshund on May 1, 2007 2:39:48 GMT -5
Screenshots, people... SCREENSHOTS!   ;D Where are they!!! Damnit! |
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on May 1, 2007 6:32:44 GMT -5
Would have taken some if I wasn't running around all over trying to see what was going on. lol
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Post by grehmalkin on May 1, 2007 11:49:37 GMT -5
Greetings... I had great fun last nite,,, Especially with Bel weaping over a dead tam, I like to see guys weap Sorry no log, so here's my ooc//ic way events occurred: I was toggled hostile by ranin and crew, but played that tam didnot know that, how could she, they went hostile while she was no where near... then passing them on caravan they chatted. So... she followed to isinhold, only to find them dead, except veshal, I slowly began toggling everyone there hostile.. thinking she was aiding ranan and crew... when veshal attacked, Tam used a scroll of darkness in the area around veshal and ranin and manshin, trying to help ranin, but I forgot I was toggled hostile by them, so she took a hit from veshal and i think struck back, on leaving the darkness, she found ranan up so she followed him around the corner to the fletchers only to find a dragon, She does not know Taran and saw him casting against ranan, so she struck him once or twice before being knocked out by darts from Dublah, dragon breath, and magic missles... *ouch*... warric found her unconcious but not dead and aided her to her feet, healing her with kits. Tam was not sure the lay of the land so she and warric walked back toward regal griffon and found bel full of zealous arrows.... *ouch* Tam tried to run but Bel brought her down quite easily as someone cast a hold person on her.... Was raised by Phelz and taken to the cell in the ravens for questioning... heard the questionioniong of anothe prisoner, then passed out (had to log) will be back on tonight.... Had great fun... hope that helps if any was needed *takes drink* |
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Post by grehmalkin on May 1, 2007 11:51:41 GMT -5
heh disregard previous post,
saw that this was from earlier in the evening not later
Sorry, i was confused...
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Post by dajuke on May 2, 2007 8:15:29 GMT -5
I wish to apologize for Taran's actions of burning the bodies of ranan and crew when I took part in one of the isinhold attacks. This was my first experience with pvp in any form, and my understanding was that they could be raised by a powerful priest who only needed to call them by name. When I rped burning the bodies i truly thought it would only be a minor inconvenience and we would be seeing our much maligned baddies back up and running in no time.
Later it was politely explained to me by a dm that burning corpses is poor form, making it much more difficult to rp being raised again i.e. almost amounting to a permadeath. This was not my intent at all and i am truly sorry if i have caused anyone in this event difficulty. Should i be fortunate enough to be involved in another such event I will certainly find an alternate method of dealing wiht dead bodies. I love this server and spend way too much time on it ;D and I wish to do my part to make it enjoyable, not annoying or difficult. Keep up the great job everybody, and see ya ig.
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Aswell as i've had greater sanct and nobody was able to attack me, even with true seeing.
;D
