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Post by ShadowCatJen on Nov 2, 2006 16:51:25 GMT -5
Most, if not all of us, like a little drama in our roleplay. It keeps things "alive" for our PCs and makes things fun and interesting. Even the occasional melodrama that drops in our laps can heighten things and take our characters down a path we never thought of before. However -- and I use this phrase quite a bit sometimes -- everything in moderation. Some drama is fine. Past drama that effects the way our character's act is also quite fine. What is not fine is when you have your character on a consistent and constant basis of being in some sort of drama or being the one to bring up a melodrama. Case in point: Several folks are sitting about enjoying a quiet and pleasant conversation. A PC comes up and acts (without any DM inclusion or encouragement) as if they have a personality that is not normally theirs (i.e. split personality syndrome). Interesting, maybe, but this same PC just the day before was screaming and crying about a past traumatic event they couldn't get over. The day before that they tried to commit suicide because of someone spurning their love. And the day before that they were having fainting spells. And the day before.... and so on and so forth. The above case is what one can qualify as a Drama Queen. When it's apparent that their PC is not the center of attention and they feel this need to create some self made melodrama in order to garner said attention from everyone in the room. The more people that ignore them, the louder and more melodramatic they make the situation. The PC is never never happy and the slightest insult to their PC leads them to have them, once again, attempt suicide (your PC was so mean, after all, and should suffer the guilt of his/her death afterwords ). Personally speaking nothing turns me off faster and quicker then a Drama Queen. Drama should be what motivates your character to act a certain way. Like being betrayed by a friend before could make your character wary of making any new friends or having trust. Or your character has a constant drive to be a better swordsman then his/her father who sacrificed himself to save his family. Drama should drive your character, not be your character. Just my view, of course.
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Nov 2, 2006 17:02:18 GMT -5
I don't know any drama queens *looks around warily for a hin in black*...
Usually with those players, I just move on to a place where they are not. That, or if I am feeling playful, I give in to their over dramatization of situations, and then show them how much hroth doesn't care. And if they keep pestering, they usually don't have to commit suicide cause Hroth will help them on their way.
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Post by master on Nov 2, 2006 17:35:49 GMT -5
Most, if not all of us, like a little drama in our roleplay. It keeps things "alive" for our PCs and makes things fun and interesting. Even the occasional melodrama that drops in our laps can heighten things and take our characters down a path we never thought of before. However -- and I use this phrase quite a bit sometimes -- everything in moderation. Some drama is fine. Past drama that effects the way our character's act is also quite fine. What is not fine is when you have your character on a consistent and constant basis of being in some sort of drama or being the one to bring up a melodrama. Case in point: Several folks are sitting about enjoying a quiet and pleasant conversation. A PC comes up and acts (without any DM inclusion or encouragement) as if they have a personality that is not normally theirs (i.e. split personality syndrome). Interesting, maybe, but this same PC just the day before was screaming and crying about a past traumatic event they couldn't get over. The day before that they tried to commit suicide because of someone spurning their love. And the day before that they were having fainting spells. And the day before.... and so on and so forth. The above case is what one can qualify as a Drama Queen. When it's apparent that their PC is not the center of attention and they feel this need to create some self made melodrama in order to garner said attention from everyone in the room. The more people that ignore them, the louder and more melodramatic they make the situation. The PC is never never happy and the slightest insult to their PC leads them to have them, once again, attempt suicide (your PC was so mean, after all, and should suffer the guilt of his/her death afterwords ). Personally speaking nothing turns me off faster and quicker then a Drama Queen. Drama should be what motivates your character to act a certain way. Like being betrayed by a friend before could make your character wary of making any new friends or having trust. Or your character has a constant drive to be a better swordsman then his/her father who sacrificed himself to save his family. Drama should drive your character, not be your character. Just my view, of course. absolutely 100% with ya, sometimes the drama is needed, but when everything is turned to it, or overly done i get kinda bugged to. though the worst i have ever -seen- isTwo PC Males and one PC female,. that is the worst type of rp when it turns into a big drama fest in my eyes, anywho yeah i agree with ya
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Nov 2, 2006 17:43:52 GMT -5
Hey! Tori's only a Drama Queen when there's no one to plot against, and that's only to dig up said people.
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Post by Theo on Nov 2, 2006 18:19:35 GMT -5
I feel special when Theo's being plotted against. So, I'm always feeling special.
Theo has a split personality. Sometimes hes' a greedy goofball, sometimes he's a greedy jerk, sometimes he's a very polite greedy person, sometimes he's a really nice greedy person, sometimes he's a very mean person, and sometimes he's in fruity villain mode with the silly "kukuku" and "fufufu" laughs as he wrings his hands while talking about money. Some vertain personality traits seem to show up no matter what "mode" he's in, though.
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Post by ShadowCatJen on Nov 3, 2006 16:06:06 GMT -5
@ Theo There are split personality traits and then full out and out split personalities where they refer to themselves in a different name, dress differently, and are completely unaware of one another. There was a player who played a Champion of Selune I knew on another server who had three, not just two, personalities. One was a violent fem-dom pirate named Viper, another a quivering little girl, and the third her "normal" personality. Full blown Drama Queen. Her character attempted to commit suicide at least five times that I was aware of. The character was never happy unless she had someone to cyber with. I'm serious. When she had no one, she would yell, get angry, hate people, hit people, be intolerant, have another personality come out, or whine and cry her eyes out. And she's supposed to be a Champion of Selune? If the worst your character does is wring their hands and go "fufufuuuu" when he thinks about gold then that's fine by me, pal.
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Post by DM Grizwald on Nov 3, 2006 16:30:33 GMT -5
I've always thought of bringing this topic up a while back. It is something that has to be done in moderation i am fully with you on that one.
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Post by ShadowCatJen on Nov 3, 2006 17:06:51 GMT -5
It is something that sometimes gets overlooked by a crew on many servers. After all the person is roleplaying and that's what an RP server would want from their players. But sometimes too much can cause a severe decrease in the quality level of roleplay. As Quad mentioned, moving away from the PC that's a Drama Queen is one way of dealing with it. However, when it gets to the point that you say "I'm going to avoid this town entirely because I know that person is on" or worse "I'm not going to even log in because that person is on right now" then you've got a problem. It's interrupting your play when this happens and makes things Not Fun. Not to mention others who are quality RPers will "move away" and suddenly you're filled with a server with nothing but Drama Queens and powergamers. Just an extreme way of putting it, but you get my drift.
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Post by Driderman on Nov 4, 2006 5:54:58 GMT -5
It is something that sometimes gets overlooked by a crew on many servers. After all the person is roleplaying and that's what an RP server would want from their players. But sometimes too much can cause a severe decrease in the quality level of roleplay. As Quad mentioned, moving away from the PC that's a Drama Queen is one way of dealing with it. However, when it gets to the point that you say "I'm going to avoid this town entirely because I know that person is on" or worse "I'm not going to even log in because that person is on right now" then you've got a problem. It's interrupting your play when this happens and makes things Not Fun. Not to mention others who are quality RPers will "move away" and suddenly you're filled with a server with nothing but Drama Queens and powergamers. Just an extreme way of putting it, but you get my drift. Well, it might not be such an extreme after all. Sounds pretty much like what happened to the server I played on before I came to FRC. In the beginning everybody did great rp and my character, being a Tiefling, was a rare and unique thing. Gradually, people realized that they could play evil Fey'Ri Sorcerer/RDD/pale masters who had a very high amount of angst in their lives and had dear friends and romantic relations with Paladins and other assorted do-gooders. The server ended up crawling in half-drow-ninja-demon-dragonspawn-palemaster-archmage-queens and well, guess why i'm here and not there ;D
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Post by Theo on Nov 4, 2006 5:58:28 GMT -5
Which is exactly why subraces should never be allowed ever. It gets too fantastic and kills immersion.
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Post by Driderman on Nov 4, 2006 6:17:21 GMT -5
Well, I think subraces might be doable, if they were on DM-approval only. Of course, that might result in accusations of favouritism. I do believe that on a server like FRC, with such an intelligent, loyal and dedicated player/DM crew, it would be possible to implement. Of course, good rp can be had without subraces but sometimes you just have the urge to play something a little more different than the usual playables. Personally, I feel that stuff like Tieflings and Aasimars are right at home in the Forgotten Realms. The place has a rich history of the Gods interacting with the mortals, after all.
Besides, having Isinhold full of the elusive and mysterious race known as elves is just as bad, in my book
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Post by Theo on Nov 4, 2006 6:25:32 GMT -5
I'm always for cutting down the number of elves. But I have a feeling it'd just drastically increase the number of drow elves.
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 4, 2006 8:45:17 GMT -5
It is something that sometimes gets overlooked by a crew on many servers. After all the person is roleplaying and that's what an RP server would want from their players. But sometimes too much can cause a severe decrease in the quality level of roleplay. As Quad mentioned, moving away from the PC that's a Drama Queen is one way of dealing with it. However, when it gets to the point that you say "I'm going to avoid this town entirely because I know that person is on" or worse "I'm not going to even log in because that person is on right now" then you've got a problem. It's interrupting your play when this happens and makes things Not Fun. Not to mention others who are quality RPers will "move away" and suddenly you're filled with a server with nothing but Drama Queens and powergamers. Just an extreme way of putting it, but you get my drift. this is a fantastic thing to put up, but unfortunatly, those who are drama queens, rarely realize it, and this post will not reach through their thick heads.
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Post by Thrym on Nov 4, 2006 9:02:00 GMT -5
... Well, it might not be such an extreme after all. Sounds pretty much like what happened to the server I played on before I came to FRC. In the beginning everybody did great rp and my character, being a Tiefling, was a rare and unique thing. Gradually, people realized that they could play evil Fey'Ri Sorcerer/RDD/pale masters who had a very high amount of angst in their lives and had dear friends and romantic relations with Paladins and other assorted do-gooders. The server ended up crawling in half-drow-ninja-demon-dragonspawn-palemaster-archmage-queens and well, guess why i'm here and not there ;D One of the reasons I'm glad we have no subraces. I never understood why people want to play them so badly anyways. I think both in NWN and PnP, about 80% of all chars I played were humans. Usually, I only play nonhumans in Planescape campaings, rarely in normal ones. I especially don't get what's supposed to be cool about Drow. (...and no, it's not just because of the wanna-bes, I dislike the whole way the race is described all the time, but this is not the place to discuss that) About the Drama Queens... well, I haven't met all of the new players since I'm back, but I don't really remember FRC having a problem with such people before. Or maybe I was just lucky I missed them.
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 4, 2006 9:07:33 GMT -5
About the Drama Queens... well, I haven't met all of the new players since I'm back, but I don't really remember FRC having a problem with such people before. Or maybe I was just lucky I missed them. oh they are around, have been since the dawn of the server
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Post by Talus on Nov 4, 2006 9:13:08 GMT -5
It is something that sometimes gets overlooked by a crew on many servers. After all the person is roleplaying and that's what an RP server would want from their players. But sometimes too much can cause a severe decrease in the quality level of roleplay. As Quad mentioned, moving away from the PC that's a Drama Queen is one way of dealing with it. However, when it gets to the point that you say "I'm going to avoid this town entirely because I know that person is on" or worse "I'm not going to even log in because that person is on right now" then you've got a problem. It's interrupting your play when this happens and makes things Not Fun. Not to mention others who are quality RPers will "move away" and suddenly you're filled with a server with nothing but Drama Queens and powergamers. Just an extreme way of putting it, but you get my drift. this is a fantastic thing to put up, but unfortunatly, those who are drama queens, rarely realize it, and this post will not reach through their thick heads. Logan is a perfect example...nothing gets through that thick skull
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 4, 2006 9:26:38 GMT -5
yea ther are plenty people like whomever Talus is talking about, that just can't figure out when people are talking about them.
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Post by megascorpion on Nov 4, 2006 10:31:44 GMT -5
I'm gona get all paranoid about being one now
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Post by Talus on Nov 4, 2006 11:03:11 GMT -5
I'm gona get all paranoid about being one now *rubs his hands together* Ahh...good the plan is working...MUWHAHAHaha...*cough* ha.
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Post by moulinous on Nov 4, 2006 11:31:28 GMT -5
*starts to wonder about his own thick skull and why none of shadowcatjens pcs ever go anywhere with poor Guldar*
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Post by Driderman on Nov 4, 2006 11:37:08 GMT -5
*starts to wonder about his own thick skull and why none of shadowcatjens pcs ever go anywhere with poor Guldar* Because she's a drama queen Heh, no but seriously, if the newer generations of FRC should worry about not getting taken places by the veteran players, most of the new ones would be drama queens. Not complaining, but it's simple common sense that of course people prefer to play with people they've with for a year, maybe more. On drama queens, I usually take another approach. Drive them to suicide, preferably repeatedly, then convince them that since they've killed themselves off once or more, they should be permadead so everyone can really grieve and miss 'em ;D Well ok, maybe not, but it might be fun
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Nov 4, 2006 11:45:23 GMT -5
Why do none of Shadowcat's pcs go with Guldar... Um... They ARENT suicidal maybe...........
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Post by Talus on Nov 4, 2006 11:49:08 GMT -5
Why do none of Shadowcat's pcs go with Guldar... Um... They ARENT suicidal maybe........... OOH OOH! That's it!
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Post by Dachshund on Nov 4, 2006 15:28:12 GMT -5
*pictures a smelly elf walking into Isinhold drunk with a huge wild boar in tow yelling "HROTHGAR!!!" then passing out in front of a select group of "friends" only to have the local constabulatory deal with the boar* ;D
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Nov 4, 2006 16:42:53 GMT -5
Heh... Poor elfy.... And really, my main char interacts with newer PCs. Sometimes she runs into ones that she scoops up under her wing and make unknowning lap do... I mean friends out of. Others she keeps in mind to tell HER friends about, and then there are the select few that get the Tori treatment. Okay, so it's a rather large selection, but still.... I interact with new people! ;D
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Post by Theo on Nov 4, 2006 16:56:15 GMT -5
By interact you mean make them scream "PANIC", drink Haste potions, then run ten feet into epic traps?
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Post by Talus on Nov 4, 2006 17:10:06 GMT -5
By interact you mean make them scream "PANIC", drink Haste potions, then run ten feet into epic traps? Well that is interaction isn't it?
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Nov 4, 2006 17:12:16 GMT -5
Hey! That wasn't my... Okay, so the traps MIGHT have been my fault... A little.... But the whole panic thing is a new one on me... Should try that more often.... ;D
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Post by Pookey on Nov 4, 2006 19:00:27 GMT -5
Why do none of Shadowcat's pcs go with Guldar... Um... They ARENT suicidal maybe........... Don't have the encumbrance or cash for all the healing kits they would need.
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 4, 2006 21:05:20 GMT -5
*pictures a smelly elf walking into Isinhold drunk with a huge wild boar in tow yelling "HROTHGAR!!!" then passing out in front of a select group of "friends" only to have the local constabulatory deal with the boar* ;D BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's what happens when the player himself is drunk (more so than usual) and decides (because of reduced judgement skills) that sliping from character for a few minutes to do something really funny was worth it. (and it sooooo was) *EDIT* DAMMIT! ruined my Satanic post count! Odin's Beard!
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