Bincloven
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Post by Bincloven on Aug 21, 2007 19:29:30 GMT -5
On multiple characters, I have dealt with from emoted dirty looks to verbal abuse for my elven characters speaking in the elven tongue.
Huh?
Now, I can understand this if I were in a conversation with two others, I started speaking in elven to one of them during the conversation, and the other didn't know it. But being harrassed for being an elf and having a conversation with another that speaks elven, by people who aren't involved in the conversation or have any real business knowing what I'm saying, is like harrassing a mexican for speaking in spanish to his spanish speaking friend over their lunch.
Do you really need to know what that mexican sitting at the table at McDonalds talking to his friend in spanish over his lunch is saying? It likely doesn't involve, concern, or include you in the least, so no. Do you really need to know what I'm saying to my friend in elven in Garrots, if you don't know me, are just passing through/minding your own business, and have no reason to believe we're talking about you?
I'm not bothering anyone by speaking in elven. It doesn't involve you, so leave me alone. It's rather poor RP, since you likely wouldn't treat someone like that in real life either.
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Aug 21, 2007 19:45:54 GMT -5
Some people don't like elves, so you will get dirty looks from them for sure. In fact...I think the Zhents are saying they are going to start hanging elves there soon if they are caught. I would definately stop short of calling it 'Bad Roleplay', since Isenhold..and Cormyr in general has a large human population, and a small elven population. People (or elves as the case may be) speaking in foreign tongues around other common speakers should accept that they are going to be looked upon with suspicion. This is not modern day, nor does anything like 'McDonalds' exist. The idea is in their minds that you might be saying something about them, that you don't want them to understand. I know a few elves in fact that won't speak elven in the human cities, because they consider it rude, and they don't wish to be looked upon with suspicion.
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Bincloven
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Post by Bincloven on Aug 21, 2007 19:51:24 GMT -5
Some people don't like elves, so you will get dirty looks from them for sure. In fact...I think the Zhents are saying they are going to start hanging elves there soon if they are caught. I would definately stop short of calling it 'Bad Roleplay', since Isenhold..and Cormyr in general has a large human population, and a small elven population. People (or elves as the case may be) speaking in foreign tongues around other common speakers should accept that they are going to be looked upon with suspicion. This is not modern day, nor does anything like 'McDonalds' exist. The idea is in their minds that you might be saying something about them, that you don't want them to understand. I know a few elves in fact that won't speak elven in the human cities, because they consider it rude, and they don't wish to be looked upon with suspicion. Alright, fine then, but why don't dwarves speaking dwarven and halflings speaking halfling get the same treatment? It just seems to me that elves are being singled out for abuse.
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Post by Munroe on Aug 21, 2007 19:59:45 GMT -5
Because dwarves usually have the balls to say something to someone's face and everyone knows not to harass halflings because they can get in your room while you sleep.
Elves, on the other hand, are two-faced sissies who talk about you behind your back because they're either too haughty or too cowardly to confront you to your face.
At least that's the perception.
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Post by EDM Entori on Aug 21, 2007 20:38:41 GMT -5
I leave in a area thats 100% bi lingual, people DO come up to you with their friends, ask how much something is to each other in english, come over to me (who doesn't speak french) and start asking questions in french. and When I say I don't know french, they give me dirty looks and continue to talk in french until I guess what they want.
from what I get your saying. as for elves speaking between elves in elven, well thats natural. pike off. As for non elves speaking the language, well that depends on the elf and his attitute. if hes a conservative, then he'll probably wonder what the heck some filthy human is doing speaking elven.
consider this. A man in shallybrooke, and hes talking like a sailor, then starts speaking elven, supposidly pretty as it is. well you just probably butchered our language. coodles to you. Consider how your character talks in common first. if hes diplomatic, and nice in common, and takes pride in his elven, but then thats dandy. But I know from my standpoint. elven should be rare, and it is stated, that is taught only amongst elves and elf friends.
Even currupt elves should have the dignity not to teach it to outsiders. anyways thats my 2 cents
hope it helps ent
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Aug 21, 2007 21:13:01 GMT -5
Elven is the most overspoken language from my perception of the server over the last year. I don't run across quite as many dwarves or hin speaking their native tongues among humans, but I do encounter elven speakers multiple times each day. So if I walked upon five situations per day where someone was getting dirty looks because they were speaking another language, you can bet your pinky toe that three of those times it was elven.
Even if elves are being singled out *shrugs* This is a fantasy world first of all..secondly racial prejudice -does- exist on a large scale in this fantasy setting, and characters aren't required to be politically correct and accept your character. Just ask any of the Half-Orcs that aren't well known what kind of looks they get simply walking into an area..let alone speaking orcish in public.
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Bincloven
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Post by Bincloven on Aug 21, 2007 23:05:01 GMT -5
I'm not asking for racial tolerance. I do understand that racial prejudices exist in this mideival world.
I'm just saying, if you're giving me dirty looks because I'm speaking elven and you can't understand it, pike off. If you're so nosy that you want to understand everything anyone says around you and get angry at anyone that says something you don't understand, maybe you should learn a few languages yourself instead of harrassing them about it.
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Aug 21, 2007 23:23:49 GMT -5
People are free to roleplay as they like. I would however remind you that elves are not like another foreign language speaking culture. A more appropriate comparison would be if little green men landed on earth and began speaking in foreign tongues. While it may seem like elves and dwarves are numerous, remember the population of cormyr is 85% human, 10% half elf, 4% elf. So most people would not have much exposure if any to odd races.
Edit: if the anger expressed by the player is in character, they should not be faulted. However expressing anger in an out of character fashion would be poor form.
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Post by softrain on Aug 21, 2007 23:28:52 GMT -5
I just have a question.
Are the dirty looks IC or OOC? I would think that makes a difference.
It would seem to me that OOC is just wrong and then you can tell them to pike off. If it's IC, well, I would think you just have to deal with it and looks for the RP either by emoting a response to the looks or just ignoring them.
But then I just started playing Kayla, a human, who's having to deal with an elf that can't speak common. IC, for Kayla it's very annoying and she shoots her dirty looks and rolls her eyes.
OOC it's made some great rp moments and I'm enjoying having this elf around and the opportunities she's providing for some fun rp.
Sorry Greenhouse, must have been typing this while you replied.
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Post by EDM Entori on Aug 22, 2007 0:33:11 GMT -5
heh I think that sums it up. these feelings are IC, and thats acceptible, as long as they stay that way. I merely was trying to explain why some elves do it, I have ent slip into elven with another elf thats natural. I've seen helgrin do with kasin or dornak, even grumm occasionally.
now I'll have ent spout drow (which is the same as elven btw) and see how many looks he gets.
haha
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Post by canuckkane on Aug 22, 2007 3:49:00 GMT -5
I can tell you right now... when Vrulo was newer and not as known as he is now he would get all sorts of dirty looks for speaking in orcish, (which almost the entire server spoke at the time it seemed), get used to it. If your character can speak common and doesn't you're going to get dirty looks. Vrulo handles this by either ignoring them or threatening to rip their throat out bare handed *grin* you're welcome to deal with it however you like.
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Post by shimmerxxx on Aug 22, 2007 8:08:26 GMT -5
Because dwarves usually have the balls to say something to someone's face and everyone knows not to harass halflings because they can get in your room while you sleep. Elves, on the other hand, are two-faced sissies who talk about you behind your back because they're either too haughty or too cowardly to confront you to your face. At least that's the perception. *Adds Munroe to his list of favourite DMs*
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Post by brian333 on Aug 22, 2007 10:55:44 GMT -5
Related, but not entirely part of this topic is the spell 'Tongues' which is a level 2 Bard spell, (level 3 Arcane, level 4 devine.)
If I were to roleplay use of this spell could I demand to have the conversation translated? (assuming the player does not want me to know what was said.)
Is there a means of implementing the spell so it actually translates any language widget? (Similar to the teleport implementation outside the regular spell system, for example.)
Is there an item such as the infamous 'Dragon's Ear' from fantasy literature, (you have to look for it! I'm not answering your literature trivia!) which translates the various language widgets?
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Post by Eons of Recluse on Oct 4, 2007 10:01:15 GMT -5
I know at least one elf who speaks elven very rarely, preferring common over that one. Getting dirty looks is pretty normal, tho getting a smile for speaking a certain language... now that would be odd! But anyway if you only see the problem with elves, why not try a human or dwarven character?
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Post by moulinous on Oct 4, 2007 10:30:59 GMT -5
Because dwarves usually have the balls to say something to someone's face and everyone knows not to harass halflings because they can get in your room while you sleep. Elves, on the other hand, are two-faced sissies who talk about you behind your back because they're either too haughty or too cowardly to confront you to your face. At least that's the perception. If I had read this sooner....good reply, damm fine reply. *Starts a slow clap that slowly builds*
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Post by Dachshund on Oct 4, 2007 11:10:09 GMT -5
Because dwarves usually have the balls to say something to someone's face and everyone knows not to harass halflings because they can get in your room while you sleep. Elves, on the other hand, are two-faced sissies who talk about you behind your back because they're either too haughty or too cowardly to confront you to your face. At least that's the perception. If I had read this sooner....good reply, damm fine reply. *Starts a slow clap that slowly builds* You two are intimate, right?
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Post by moulinous on Oct 4, 2007 11:27:07 GMT -5
No...only elfs go for that crap thing called intamcy...in the immortal words of a great american...I did not have relations with that woman!
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Post by Munroe on Oct 5, 2007 0:38:28 GMT -5
That's because I ain't a woman, shugah. *winks coyly*
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Post by Elaugzar on Oct 28, 2007 16:18:59 GMT -5
I would not go as far as saying that elfs get harrassed over using their tongue among each other. The roleplay is realistic, as long as it is within reason for the paticular character doing the harrassing. Everyone simply needs to delve into the personality of their character, whether elf or not, and decide how that character will confront or deal with it when it happens. I want to see diversity!.. *shrug* or if your character is the sort who will go along with the crowd . . i want to see the few characters who will harrass an elf just because doing so is the stereotypical thing to do.
Also . . i got a new signature... and i love it! *is addicted to " ...'s "
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