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Post by Gordy101st on Jun 26, 2007 8:46:46 GMT -5
WAIT, don't groan and die or backslap just yet. I'm just suggesting that a forum be made where people can say "love me" for their characters because they're clogging up this forum the more and more people do them.
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Post by moulinous on Jun 26, 2007 9:07:34 GMT -5
or maybe they just want honest feed back and instead of insulting them you could give it to them? course that might be too much to ask from some ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) as for clogging the forum, just go past the ones you do not want to read rather than off hand insults....
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Post by sneakingyoda on Jun 26, 2007 9:48:32 GMT -5
Here's the thing though. I personally wouldn't post anything but positive feedback because in the end- I can't suggest what would be the proper way for anyone to play their character. If I really saw an issue that needed discussion, I would make a general topic about it, so that the person who caused me to think about it wouldn't feel singled out. So, in effect, when you ask for personal feedback for a character, it does put people in an odd position. Whats worse, if you post for it- and no one responds. So, generally, I agree- the "I want to hear feed back about my character" threads are good in the sense that they provide feedback support for those who want to ask the general populace about it. (and thusly, belong on this forum, and don't need a forum of their own.) From a personal stand point, they don't do what they are intended to do- because personally- I have yet to use them for what the poster really wanted. (and I don't think other people do ether.) With that being said, I do have this suggestion: If you want personal feedback about how your playing your character from people- do it on a personal, private, one on one situation. Like tells. You will more than likely get an honest response, in a normal conversation that isn't public. When I've needed feedback about Yulena, I will randomly tap someone who has played with her recently and ask a set of questions that will get to the bottom of what I want to know. Things like "When Yulena is faced with something unknown, what do you perceive as her reaction?" Or "When Yulena is faced with leeches, how does that reflect on what you perceive to be her character? Too over done? Just right? Not enough?" Or "On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the least, and 10 being the most, how neutral do you perceive my character's actions to be?" Questions like that really narrow down to what I personally would be looking for when I need character feedback. It's the only way I know how to prevent things from being lost in translation. It's a good check. When I see people asking for Character feedback on a certain character, often wish they would ask certain questions for people to respond to in stead of leaving it open to the air- for whatever. Questions about the issues you would like to see feedback to would open up discussion, instead of leaving the impression that you want people to simply appreciate your character and move on. In fact, I think the only feedback thread I've responded to was Zae's, and that was more for humor than actual effective feedback. So take with that my two cents.
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Post by moulinous on Jun 26, 2007 10:04:11 GMT -5
i have given my two cents to people that have asked and never have thought that it is a love me thread but rather just someone asking, hey, ahve you met my pcs?. If it is something negative, then send a pm which is what i have done when i think of something that would be perceived as negative. Since i am not playing anymore, i was wondering what people thought of when i was on. I know several people do not like me as a person which i am okay with, heck, i can be a jerk. I have gotten alot of feedback already from dms, mostly positive and soem negative(all well desreved on both aspects) but i want to know what players thought of them and that is why i asked. i see your point yoda and always liked your answers even though we are far different players and have never been close, i like the way you come across with thought out answers. do i agree? well, no. But that is the nature of the beast,lol. It is neat to see what kind of responses you get. Some are a surprise to be honest i bet for anyone. You know that if some of the older more established pcs did do this i bet they would be surprised as well. back when Shartia had another pc, i was very impressed with who she did not play and soon discarded but was one of the reasons i started getting serious about rp. or that when i first went out with hrothgar before he was a dm was one of the reasons that guldar got serious about stealth. or kam also before he was a dm, is the one that was the first merchant, i just took it to a new level but only cause he thought of the idear first. people would be surprised at some of the small things that theyas players might have done that inspired others. I am sure that Yulena has touched peoples lives that you would not even think about but she has done this way or that and now they do it as well. *shrugs*it is good to hear those things and if it is something not so positive, then by all means, send them a pm. i want to better play a new pc when i start frc2 and that is why i ask. I wonder though, did people like Guldar caverholme? did people respect Gondegal the Lost? is it self serving? a bit, but it also shows what people remember and will lay a blue print to build on for others later.
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Post by Gordy101st on Jun 26, 2007 11:04:47 GMT -5
or maybe they just want honest feed back and instead of insulting them you could give it to them? course that might be too much to ask from some ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) as for clogging the forum, just go past the ones you do not want to read rather than off hand insults.... I don't know whats happened to you today but you've really misinterpretted the post there. There wasn't any insult, it was a suggestion so that the forum stays organised instead of turning into a shambles. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Trying hard not to re-bitch but dayumm, you really jumped the gun there. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by Teneas on Jun 26, 2007 11:17:18 GMT -5
*stab, twist, stab again* There..dead now....
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Post by moulinous on Jun 26, 2007 11:23:27 GMT -5
*stab, twist, stab again* There..dead now.... lol, you forgot to pee on it like dms do when they kill us with their bugbears or orcs....
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Post by Theramin on Jun 26, 2007 11:47:05 GMT -5
I think all such feedback is best left to PM's/ingame tells. People seem to worry too much about making a character that everyone likes, and at the end of the day that isn't going to happen. There's a fine line between feedback and people fishing for compliments though, and sometimese these topics seem to cross them!
Then again, not my problem.
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Post by moulinous on Jun 26, 2007 12:02:49 GMT -5
I would normally agree but i left FRC1 and have been experminting with FRC2 so I would love pms about the pcs i played if someone played with them. postive or negative is fine with me. an attack vs me as a person, please only pm that, but a critiscm as a player sure, i welcome that in the thread Guldar and Gondegal. I want to know if i did some things right and some things wrong and what nots rp wise. Fishing for compliments i can see your point but i do think some of the people have posted these are legit in asking for guidance. Maybe it is something you saw that they did not, maybe it is something you admired that they did not even know you did. As a community of rpers, maybe a bunch of new gamers would see these and think wow, that would be cool. Normally i hate to be singled out on the forums but since i do not play anymore, that is why i did it and trust me, Guldar and Gondegal have touched many pcs lives....even a few good...very few,lol.
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Post by Gordy101st on Jun 27, 2007 5:15:48 GMT -5
PMs^ I wouldn't normally do this but I feel the need to be vindicated here since this is off-the-chart randomness to me. Sorry, but who the hell are you and when did any of this become about you? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Point out these flames about you... I'm trying to be civil but you've got the worst case of *bleeping* paranoia and "center of the universe"ism I've ever seen. I didn't even know you had one of those threads until you started whinging at me like this. Seriously, grow up and stop reading into things for the sake of a bit of attention. If I wanted to insult you or tell you you're doing something 'wrong' in my eyes I'd do it, and I wouldn't bother with PMs, christ you're nothing but pixels to me anyway so why would I 'skirt around the issue'. I've said nothing specifically to you or about you until you jumped down my throat in this thread and started sending me personal insults in PMs. I've never played with you or even spoken to you so think of how random and vicious this looks from my side on the off chance I'm not lying to a bunch of pixels ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) . The thread was a valid suggestion because this way all the threads which are essentially the same to anyone who doesn't want to read them are organised somewhere instead of being here. I'll get off my soap box now if you'll get off the soap opera.
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Post by Teneas on Jun 27, 2007 6:40:16 GMT -5
This is so fun to read....*throws vicious badger into the thread to see who gets ripped apart first*
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Post by ShadowCatJen on Jun 27, 2007 7:23:14 GMT -5
I'm hearing a lock coming pretty soon as this thread is degrading into a flame war.
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Post by HeatherRae on Jun 27, 2007 7:43:27 GMT -5
Hi! Everyone take a deep breath and say it with me.... THIS IS JUST A GAME! Yeah, that's right - a game! It's not real. It's not important. It's just a game. Something we do for entertainment. Games are supposed to be fun! If you're not having fun, why play the game? If someone in pretend-gameland says, "I hate you! You suck!" Isn't that cute? They live in pretend gameland and are so upset they feel the need to yell at you. Adorable. But, what happens in pretend-gameland doesn't matter because...it's fantasy! A game! A bit of "vacation" from the real world that does not matter one bit. If you find yourself getting so into pretend-gameland that you are getting angry and upset and crying and hurt, then it's time to put the books down, turn the computer off, and run outside and roll in the grass. Like a puppy. Believe me, it helps. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) PMs where people scream at each other, threads where people might be looking for validation, things that irritate you - all pale in comparison with the importance of the real world. Guys, let it slide off you like water off a duck's back. None of it is important! Go play outside in the hot weather and get bit by mosquitos! This message brought to you by the letters D and C, which stand for Domain Coordinator, which is my job in the Camarilla Fan Club. Domain Coordinators often have to remind silly gamers that it's just a game and real life is much more important. We also remind silly gamers to be civil to one another. So be civil! Or I will come for you in the night with tar and feathers! Just see if I won't!
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Post by moulinous on Jun 27, 2007 8:05:54 GMT -5
i would go ahead and lock it as i asked him those in pm's and were legit questions of wondering why he has attacked me several times in the past. figures that he could not answer in a pm and it degrads into a flame war. *shrugs* guess he could not just answer the question in private which goes to show you that they are attacks.....just add him to the fan club. and i ws trying to difuse it with humor in the pms but oh well, i was wondering what i did to offend you becuase you have attacked me in the past but no big deal. And that is why i sent private messages asking you what i did. and tryed to explain to you as you posted your message about love me threads five minutes after i asked people what they thought of pcs that i played in the past to improve my rping. it seems pretty crappy that rather than just reply in a pm so we could resolve the issue. if i sound if i am coming off a bit harsh i do not mean to i just would rather get right to the root of the problem as you seem to have attacked me a few times in the past as well. if it has just been random then fine, we could move on, that is why i asked in pms. kinda like when someone felt i was singling them out and i went back and editted what i said because they felt that i was singling them out. all of this could have been handled by sending a pm and saying ummm, no, i aint trying to attack you and i would have apologized. now though, it seems i was a right as you do attack me again.*shrugs* whatever man, like i have been informed, he has an attitude and let it go, that is just the way gordy is....
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Post by moulinous on Jun 27, 2007 8:42:51 GMT -5
This is so fun to read....*throws vicious badger into the thread to see who gets ripped apart first* *rolls eyes*these do make me laugh though....feel like saying MUFTSA! *shivers*ohhhh, do it again...MUFSTA!
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Post by sneakingyoda on Jun 27, 2007 9:04:26 GMT -5
Oy, for the record everyone, My single reply at the top was just a suggestion. I'm kinda sad that it's going to be buried beneath the flame war, because it had nothing to do with it. But there it is, at the very least.
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Post by Quadhund/Greenhouse on Jun 27, 2007 10:01:01 GMT -5
If you guys cannot be nice to one another *ka-chink*
There will likely not be a seperate folder for character feedback. I agree with Gordy in the sense that I would rather not have to sift through the new threads, but Gordy, no one is forcing you to read them either. Some people do require feedback on their PCs to improve their play style, others don't. To each his own I say. Now back to enjoying the game.
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