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Post by Teneas on Oct 28, 2008 9:48:55 GMT -5
In the past, there has been discusion about whether or not female dwarves in Faerun have beards or not. I used to be under the assumption that they did have beards, then I was told that only female stouts on Krynn had them. But..here we go....
"Male dwarves of any type take pride in their beards, the most remarkable of any race. Some female dwarves of Faerun can grow beards, too, often passing as males among the nondwarves of the surface lands. Dwarven women may choose to shave their beards to match human style expectations of beauty, while others glory in luxurious plaited beards that match their hair or wear sharply cut goatees"
(FRCS Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting) pg. 10.
As a side note, if this is better served in another thread, please feel free to move it.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 28, 2008 10:53:52 GMT -5
Yep, so dwarven women may or may not have beards. That seems to read as though some can grow them and some can't, and some shave them and some don't.
What really annoys me is elf males with beards. WHY did Bioware provide an elf male head with a beard? Sometimes people pick it!
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Post by brian333 on Oct 28, 2008 10:57:51 GMT -5
What!?! Dwarven women shave? Scandalous! The shame!
But, there are no bearded dwarven female heads in the character creator.
I've always considered a shaven dwarf to be at least disgraced or grieving some huge loss. The tales of the Hammer of Kharas in Krynn and Mim the Dwarf of the Silmarillion are where the idea comes from.
Seems to me a shaven female dwarf would be seen somewhat like a woman wearing pants in the 1930's in America, but then I don't want to contest published FR lore.
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Post by fred on Oct 28, 2008 11:08:48 GMT -5
...there are no bearded dwarven female heads in the character creator. Au contraire, there is exactly one bearded dwarven female head. |
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Post by acmeinc on Oct 28, 2008 11:19:01 GMT -5
From an historical perspective, beards on female dwarves have pretty much changed in accordance with popular concensus in each succesive edition of source material.
1st and 2nd Ed. 100% bearded.
3rd Ed. Players choice.
4th Ed. Female dwarves are portrayed as beardless.
In the FR novels, there was a bearded female dwarf that played a part in 2 of them, can't remember off hand wich novels though.
[hijack]Todays question: Why do some male elves have beards?
Lets ask uncle Grumm.
Uncle Grumm, why do some male elves have beards?
That's easy. Questionable breedin practices. Ain't ye ever heard "The Elf and the Amorous Ogre"? That stuff is too sick fer someone ta make it up. *mutters and goes back to his ale* Now go git me a switch fer askin questions with obvious answers. And it better be a good one!
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Post by Micteu on Oct 28, 2008 11:31:44 GMT -5
And CEP contains multiple dwarven female head models in the Core3 hak. If you extracted them into your override file for a bit, you could get heads with beards while you're creating a character.
Also, if you would like, I'll post them as a .rar download on the vault, although I currently use someone else's CEP head overrides when I create characters. I could search that out for you, too.
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Oct 28, 2008 11:33:19 GMT -5
You know, in all my time reading Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, I don't think I've ever actually come by a female dwarf.
The story of Kharas is referenced here, and I must say that he was not "disgraced" so much as protesting in a typically disgraceful way. Sorta like a hippie burning his draft card.
Other than that, I have to say that beards are most often a clan dwarf thing. In Dragonlance, Mountain Dwarves, the ancient clanned dwarves, wear huge luxurious beards, tucking them into their belts and such. Hill Dwarves, the dwarves that preferred life among the other races to hiding out in a mountain, are known to trim their beards back (albeit not to a "trimmed back" idea under human perception), but still take care of them meticulously.
At least that's in Krynn.
I'm assuming that all Faerunian dwarves just effing love their beards.
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Post by Micteu on Oct 28, 2008 11:56:15 GMT -5
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Post by guest on Oct 28, 2008 12:10:38 GMT -5
A Stouts beard in Fauren is a thing of pride. Female Shield dwarves of the north and the Underdark have them more often than naught while Gold Dwarves from the Great Rift lean the other way.
A Stouts beard is groomed and fashioned in a way that most Stouts can tell what clan and what profession they pursue. Some even have it with their Gods holy symbols weaved in.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 28, 2008 12:40:31 GMT -5
I like to imagine most female dwarves as looking like short and round Norsewomen with beautiful hair grown long and weaved in plaits, substituting their luxurious hair for the male dwarves' beards in the dwarven culture. This works better for the female dwarves as well since not all of them grow beards.
Of course most dwarven males have very poor hairlines on their heads, so it all evens out.
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Post by Charon's Claw on Oct 28, 2008 13:06:28 GMT -5
You know, in all my time reading Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, I don't think I've ever actually come by a female dwarf. Stumpet Rakingclaw!! Preistess of Mordain in Clan Battlehammer and Mithril Hall! |
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Oct 28, 2008 13:18:55 GMT -5
Charon just bitchslapped me with information I should have recalled.
I cede to you, oh mighty Dungeon Master.
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Post by acmeinc on Oct 28, 2008 13:35:36 GMT -5
You know, in all my time reading Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, I don't think I've ever actually come by a female dwarf. Stumpet Rakingclaw!! Preistess of Mordain in Clan Battlehammer and Mithril Hall! Finnellen. Helps move the plot along in one of Moonshae Trilogy books and plays a part in another as well. |
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Post by Teneas on Oct 28, 2008 15:44:14 GMT -5
Stumpet Rakingclaw!! Preistess of Mordain in Clan Battlehammer and Mithril Hall! Finnellen. Helps move the plot along in one of Moonshae Trilogy books and plays a part in another as well. *groans about why he ever bought the Moonshae books, and worse..read them* |
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Post by TermaForever on Oct 28, 2008 17:04:01 GMT -5
What was the apparent quote from the D&D movie that my friend loved so much...never seen it myself but apparently there was a male dwarf who said something to the effect of:
"...a 250 pound dwarf woman with a big chest and a beard you can hang on to!"
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Post by soulfien on Nov 10, 2008 15:42:11 GMT -5
You know, in all my time reading Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, I don't think I've ever actually come by a female dwarf. Stumpet Rakingclaw!! Preistess of Mordain in Clan Battlehammer and Mithril Hall! Yep! CC beat me to it  Good thing I read down to make sure no one had yet answered it already |
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Post by Panros on Nov 15, 2008 19:22:42 GMT -5
The Dungeon's and Dragon's book Races of Stone
"While dwarven clothing options might seem staid and homogeneous when compared to those of the elves or humans, it is only because clothing has little value in their culture. Instead, the dwarves prize their hair, whether it is on their scalps (for both genders) or on their faces (for males). The dwarven love of textures and patterns is applied to hairstyles as much as anything else, with intricate braids worn by both males and females. A regular three-part braid might be suffi cient for daily life, but an important occasion might see particularly old or revered dwarves sporting up to a twenty-part braid, or multiple smaller ones braided together."
Another perspective.
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