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KI
Oct 22, 2005 14:18:32 GMT -5
Post by marklar on Oct 22, 2005 14:18:32 GMT -5
well last night a certain person, a monk, said they could sense the KI of another in a room, when they were stealthed, when certain poeple said you can't do that they told them it was DM approved. i have several issues with this one the monk wasn't a lvl 10 monk, i beleive monks don't understand KI until lvl 10 when they get their KI strike but i can let that go. but by that sense a higher lvl monk like Donavan would basically have true seeing, and people in disgues would be screwed aswell they could also sense their KI too. the list goes on and on. could a DM reply to this.
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Manshin
Old School
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KI
Oct 22, 2005 14:51:03 GMT -5
Post by Manshin on Oct 22, 2005 14:51:03 GMT -5
I have never heard of Ki being used for detection by a monk... especially a mid to low level one. A monk focuses on his personal ki. Not that of the people around him. All of the monk's skills develop through controling and manipulating their own personal energy. The only bonus a monk should have for detection is the fact that often times, their wisdom score is unusually high, which would give them bonus' to spot and listen. If this is DM cleared, it wasnt by me, but if another DM did it, I am certain they had a good reason to do it. However, if it wasnt, Id be interested to know who is claiming DM permission for something that they dont have DM permission for. Laurk
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KI
Oct 22, 2005 15:59:38 GMT -5
Post by marklar on Oct 22, 2005 15:59:38 GMT -5
thank you! god it was painful last night trying to tell them you can't do it.
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KI
Oct 22, 2005 18:15:07 GMT -5
Post by Laurk on Oct 22, 2005 18:15:07 GMT -5
Now that I have a bit more info, let me expound upon my last post. If a character senses a stealthed character, through spot or listen, I dont care what they "tell" you is the reason they detected you. They can tell you that Chris Farley, the new duke of hell, just teleported from the 887th layer of the abyss and told them you were there hiding in the shadows... so long as there detection roll was legit. However, if they dont detect you IC, and are using OOC info, then that is a bit differant. I have two ways of looking at this. First, you shouldnt be telling anyone OOC that you are spying on them... However, sometimes, I imagine there are relevant reasons for doing so. An example would be if the two of you, through OOC tells are trying to set a stage for RP, and saying things like: "If you spot me, though it will appear in game that I am just standing there, pretend that I am up on top of this bookcase here." Under that circumstance, there is no way something like "I feel your presence with my Ki powers!" is legit, as they are obvioulsy metagaming the info you just told them. My other opinion is this: If the stealthed character is hiding in the shadows, and plaguing the player he is spying on with tells like "Haha.. I can hear you breath and you cant see me!" or "I could sooo kill you right now because you cant see me standing right next to you." Than in my OPINION, that is open season to metagame to high hell. I personally hate getting OOC info about relevant IC information. If you are the kind of player that cannot hold in his/her excitment about the fact that you are spying on someone, then that should be translated into a direct character flaw. If someone is spying on me and doing that, I am going to say that they gave themselves away by fidgiting or giggling. Metagaming? You bet. But some of you players need to learn self control when it comes to passing out OOC info. As has been stated in many other posts, OOC info ruins the game. It takes all suspence and mystery from whatever is going on. Its like reading the last chapter in a mystery novel. Of course the OOC info I am refering to is OOC about IC info. I dont mind getting tells, I just dont want to know things my character doesnt know. If I catch a player giving OOC info which pertains to themself... i.e. telling the person what their characters alighnment is, or what evil plot he/she intends to hatch next, and that player turns it around and metagames it, I will have a hard time busting them for that... most likely I will just shrug and call it the price you pay for being careless or lacking in self control. Hopefully this will help to slow down the passing of OOC info.
With love and sunshiny puppy dogs, DM Laurk
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Foomanchu
Old School
The next 'Big Thing'
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KI
Oct 23, 2005 0:25:09 GMT -5
Post by Foomanchu on Oct 23, 2005 0:25:09 GMT -5
Okay, I play a lvl 13 monk, and I agree with manshin...if your actually sitting there and simply pissing the person your hiding from off with tells, then you deserve it. I know a few stealthy people and a few of them don't say a single thing...wich makes sense because then subconciously, even if it's not nagging, they won't metagame...if you know someone is there, you may naturally not say exactly what you would have otherwise because you know they are there. As for Ki being a detectable force...HA! if that's true then I wouldn't mind a ring that gives me darkvision, immunity to sneak attacks, and true seeing and if anyone is disguised i'll know who they are by recognizing there Ki haha sorry but that doesn't fly. and in the situation that is at question, the tells were not nagging/bragging tells, they were just chit chat between the hiding guy and one of the other characters that was there. I really don't want this to be a big issue, and I'm personally not angry or anything, but please dont defend an idea that is not realistic, and not DM approved, maybe the person just misunderstood what the DM said to them, it's fine. Topic over
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KI
Oct 23, 2005 13:30:43 GMT -5
Post by kenny26 on Oct 23, 2005 13:30:43 GMT -5
wait a sec.... ki detection? jargo has ki damage with his rapiers! go metagaming and rulebending! ;D j/k
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KI
Nov 7, 2005 14:01:29 GMT -5
Post by moulinous on Nov 7, 2005 14:01:29 GMT -5
on the tells of ooc, i constantly use tell to say funny things, not ic info. my guy says and acts a certain way because he should as he is a dwarvf full of mirth and beer...i mean cheer. but his tells are almost always some joke or something or to clarify something that i do not understand but that he would being a dwarfand all that. anyhow, as for the ki crud, i constantly see them sneaking characters about and though i am a ranger i just roll a detect or ignore them. if they are spying on me good on them, but not once do i say i sense them, smell them or whatever unless they do something stupid to justify it.
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KI
Nov 7, 2005 16:04:36 GMT -5
Post by Munroe on Nov 7, 2005 16:04:36 GMT -5
If you see them, your character already succeeded a Spot or Listen check, the game makes them automatically.
The only time this is not true is with invisibility, which the engine automatically shows when a character is inside of melee range for your character. This should not be treated as having spotted them, but there's no other way to target the square they're in for a wild swing (50% miss chance) if the engine doesn't give you something to click.
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KI
Nov 7, 2005 16:59:19 GMT -5
Post by Talus on Nov 7, 2005 16:59:19 GMT -5
Playing one of said "Crummy sneaky" characters, If you see my guy that means that you either heard him or saw him. If you saw him well, I am impressed. If you heard him, I am even more impressed. So say something if you want to. You caught them, it's your right. But if for some dumb reason I ever send you a tell that I am spying on you, well your character didn't sense a thing
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KI
Nov 7, 2005 17:19:56 GMT -5
Post by moulinous on Nov 7, 2005 17:19:56 GMT -5
yeah but with kam, you can just smell the crummy goblion made ale he drinks...lol just kidding kam*searches around all the corners of his room before going back to sleep*
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KI
Nov 27, 2005 4:04:57 GMT -5
Post by DM Grizwald on Nov 27, 2005 4:04:57 GMT -5
*padrin walks along, talks to a few people, blinks then sees kam as usual and ruins his stalking ability*
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