Gusty
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Post by Gusty on May 31, 2005 22:08:28 GMT -5
Alright lets talk about masks.
Here is my brilliant idea. When someone has on a mask and they want everyone to know that they are in disguise they should upon crossing paths with anyone and everyone immediately type //mask or //masked or //disguised.
that way since it is ooc everyone can play along and we don't have any misunderstandings and metagaming.
Thanks DM Gustyrill that fixes everything.
Why you are all welcome. don't mention it.
*bows*
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Post by Grozer on May 31, 2005 22:14:48 GMT -5
*provides a standing ovation*
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Post by Talus on May 31, 2005 22:47:54 GMT -5
or it's a metagamers dream. Oh look that guys whereing a mask. think I'll see who it is and follow them. Just a thought.
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Misha Aogail
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Post by Misha Aogail on May 31, 2005 22:51:20 GMT -5
Sorry, but have to agree with Talus on that one. Mainly 'cause I'd be one of the ones that'd do the following.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on May 31, 2005 22:54:14 GMT -5
or it's a metagamers dream. Oh look that guys whereing a mask. think I'll see who it is and follow them. Just a thought. Must agree with that! Attach any form of weirdness and you are asking for trouble... The best characters at espinonage are the ones you NEVER see coming. We have several on the server and in the module. *With that I will take my leave* |
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Post by Mr. Baboon on May 31, 2005 22:56:51 GMT -5
*cough* one of them just got perm'd from it after getting caught  be careful out there, masters of espionage! |
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on May 31, 2005 23:03:34 GMT -5
*cough* one of them just got perm'd from it after getting caught be careful out there, masters of espionage! As a point of order.. perma death does not choose players, players choose it. Not to discourage Mr. Baboon in any way, but players cannot and should not be forced to perma-death. There is no "winning combination" of "perma-death" out there all you lowly sacks of perma-killing ooze... go find a hard-core server and call it a day. You cannot "kill" another PC and say, "I scatter your ashes all over the streets of Redmist and make love to them til I bleed so yur dead and then I carry them to the trash can and have a wizard shoot the compost into the atmosphere" and expect them to be dead. If this were the case most of you would be perma dead already. Anyway, point is, no forced permadeath.. no matter what. It is a players choice. No hijack intended.. please choose another topic regarding perma death if need be.  |
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Post by Artemisa on Jun 1, 2005 3:54:12 GMT -5
I think DM Gustyrill got a good idea. or it's a metagamers dream. Oh look that guys whereing a mask. think I'll see who it is and follow them. Just a thought. I would have assumed that most people, and especially those registrated here on the forum, are more serious RP'ers then that? Even if someone is wearing a mask it doesn't mean that you SEE that it's a mask. Especially not when just passing them on a road briefly. And another small comment...If you meet someone you know who is in a disguise it doesn't mean that you HAVE to start staring, trying to figgure out who it could be. Seriously. Do we always stare at people on the street because it COULD be someone you know? I've seen this a lot lately and it quickly get's tedious and boring. I'm not saying that a character wouldn't, or shouldn't, ever roll a spot/wisdom check, but is it really normal to do it all the freaking time? Maybe I'm completely wrong here, but it just seems unatural, that's all. |
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Foomanchu
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Post by Foomanchu on Jun 1, 2005 3:58:11 GMT -5
You cannot "kill" another PC and say, "I scatter your ashes all over the streets of Redmist and make love to them til I bleed so yur dead and then I carry them to the trash can and have a wizard shoot the compost into the atmosphere" and expect them to be dead. ROFLMFAO!!! that is the single greatest laugh I've had on these forums! granted I've not been here all that long really, but still! HAHAHA! I love it...and also love how you went on a rant tonight about 1.50 users and stabbing out retnas with hot needles...brilliant!...*prays for more crazy rants from the DM's to make himself feel more 'normal'* <--insert evil/manical laugh here |
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Post by soulfien on Jun 1, 2005 8:58:51 GMT -5
just do it like this:
If you recognize the person by looking at them- I mean looking at the PC model, not the name, then go with it. If you don't, then act as if they're a stranger.
Don't immediately put your mouse over their name. Try and identify them without seeing who they really are.
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Post by Spooks on Jun 1, 2005 13:48:00 GMT -5
Someone mentioned a way to make it so you cant highlight and get their name... and I tried it until i went hunting and couldnt see how injured it was >_<.
Not much of an issue but when you fight something and in real life after a while that ogre will start looking beat up, and if you think you can outlast it, you will keep going, but if you are fighting and know you are hurt and have hurt the ogre back, but the ogre doesnt look injured at all, you would probably need to run, when you should need to.
So I turned it off, and have tried hard not to metagame names from when they walk by... I usually look at the name on the Chat Log when they speak, aka recognizing their voice... if I dont recognize their voice, say "in a high pitched voice" or "in a deep heavily accented voice" etc etc... I think that though it will bring about more attention, the stating that you are in disguise is the best way to prevent public outburst, though the metagaming will be instigated as well... grrr...
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Post by Mr. Baboon on Jun 1, 2005 16:33:08 GMT -5
As a point of order.. perma death does not choose players, players choose it. Not to discourage Mr. Baboon in any way, but players cannot and should not be forced to perma-death. There is no "winning combination" of "perma-death" out there all you lowly sacks of perma-killing ooze... go find a hard-core server and call it a day. You cannot "kill" another PC and say, "I scatter your ashes all over the streets of Redmist and make love to them til I bleed so yur dead and then I carry them to the trash can and have a wizard shoot the compost into the atmosphere" and expect them to be dead. If this were the case most of you would be perma dead already. Anyway, point is, no forced permadeath.. no matter what. It is a players choice. No hijack intended.. please choose another topic regarding perma death if need be. Bah =P I was kidding around. I will personally allow myself to be permed, I was just being a smartass... ehe... but the chances of getting caught can very easily ruin your reputation as well, if you don't allow yourself to be permed. |
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Post by DM Richard (Retired) on Jun 1, 2005 18:18:58 GMT -5
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Gusty
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Post by Gusty on Jun 1, 2005 21:51:23 GMT -5
All I am saying is that if you are going to insist on wearing a mask everywhere, and dont make it clear that you are wearing a mask. Then you can expect metagaming to happen. Capital E Expect it. If you think there would be more metagaming than the already too much metagaming around masks then that is on you.
You havent even tried it to see.
I think that if you dont like the //mask idea then you at least owe it to your fellow gamers to send them a quick tell explaining you are in disguise and that you are unrecognizeable. personally I think //mask is alot easier then that.
Either that or dont be exasperated when someone doesnt recognize that you are masked. The onus of disguise is on that of the disguised. Not the other way around. IMO
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Post by thogrimur on Nov 7, 2005 16:51:19 GMT -5
Well I agree and disagree with the //mask or //disguise. But that is because I play through what I see through my characters eyes. I don't use the tab key to determine what I know. I try not to use it at all unless I am trying to locate any creature related treasure drops (AS NOT PICKING THESE UP CAUSES LAG ON THE SERVER!  this means the bones and pelts...everything...clean up afteryourselves please!  ) A better habit to be in - do not automatically recognize people. Of course if they are in the same garb you always see them in and already know them this is fine, but if I see someone under a barkskin/stoneskin or heavy enchantments...I don't recognize them unless through conversation I pick up on their voice...even people I know and friends I have travelled with for years IG. Helms, Hoods and disguise masks are trickier, but I will always give the benefit of the doubt to the one who is in disguise. If they don't bother with any emotes to disguise thier voice, or make some slip up in a conversation then I might begin to think about taking a spot roll or trying to call them on it. But don't be so quick to try to ruin someones attempt at disguise, you might just destroy what could have been very interesting RP. (not to mention you could get that person killed!) It's true that the onus of the disguise is on the disguised...but we should ALL be playing with what we see through the character's eyes, and not from the little floating names (disable them) or what we see popping up in the chat window. Of course, despite it all, accidents will happen. Couple quick tells can usually clean it up...but an //mask or //disguise...mmm...I just think this will raise more eyebrows at you then just RPing it out. Just been a few months, so I felt this thread needed a good bump. |
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Post by kenny26 on Nov 7, 2005 17:41:47 GMT -5
i really don't like metagaming myself, and everytime i see ranan in town wearing a hood, i don't think "hey it's that banite that half the server has tried to hunt down for the past year!". i think, hey it's grozer. ... i don't wanna give him a hard time. i'll just walk by. my reason for doing this is also quite simple: jargo is a tank (albeit a very fast moving one, but still as brutal and mindless as most tanks  ), and he's trained only to kill an enemy once it's been pointed out. further more he has an 8 wisdom, hardly any ranks in listen or spot, and generally he's just oblivious to most details when he's relaxing (e.i. spending time in town). so i can kick back and let 90% of the disguised people pass right under my nose without bothering to start following them around, pretending to be suspicious... for me it's not such a big concern, as i am a kinda lazy guy and i can find bliss in the ignorance... ;D i don't wanna know about the extensive networks of shady rogues, assasins, cyricists, demon summoners, backstabbers, harpers, banites, zhents or any of the other countless groups of secretive people or creatures, because i know it's going to be so much work to get anything done about it and i'll likely at some point be ruining another player's brilliant scheme, most likely without even realising this myself. i hang around town and RP with friends, or i turn myself into a killing machine to go commit genocide against some random group of monsters... no meta gaming for me... |
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henny
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Post by henny on Nov 7, 2005 18:04:54 GMT -5
Here's what I have taken to doing when someone comes up in a hood. I run up, look under the hood, and say *name here*, is that you? Either they can respond by saying No, whisper to me yes but don't tell, or say yes outright.
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Nov 7, 2005 21:21:38 GMT -5
haha. slates doesnt need a level. what he needs is lots of gold to support his habit ... thats right. plotting the deaths of people many levels higher than him. so far the plan i have is fool proof ... but far too costly
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Post by moulinous on Nov 7, 2005 21:50:11 GMT -5
i like the fact that not everyone starts saying hello to guldar when he has his hood up. as for armor that he normally wears like padrin or myself always seems to be, then i could see someone legitamate just saying hi without the need for the rping of whose underneath the hood. also, i understand about leveling as i joined way back in june and just now hit tenth so yeah rping is much more important to me. and with ranan, i like rping with him, he is a good guy to rp with because he could kill me with ease but still treats most pcs he meets as equals cause in the realms you never know. as for slate getting a rp bonus...i think he rps great because he annoys the hell out of guldar, and probally deserves a rp bonus...as well as a few balrogs, a spell of mute and a perma spell of banishment to the regals basement...just kidding...kinda...though guldar WOULD pitch in for this to happen...at least the mute spell...lol
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Post by DM Grizwald on Nov 27, 2005 4:09:50 GMT -5
i would pitch in for slate to get a mega phone
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be careful out there, masters of espionage!
this means the bones and pelts...everything...clean up afteryourselves please! 
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), and he's trained only to kill an enemy once it's been pointed out. further more he has an 8 wisdom, hardly any ranks in listen or spot, and generally he's just oblivious to most details when he's relaxing (e.i. spending time in town).
