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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 6, 2006 12:16:47 GMT -5
DM Ainur and I will be working this week to finally install horses into FRC. We really have but one concern so I am just going to bring it up right now. Realism. If we spot anyone riding horses in a dungeon, in an inn room, in any place you might not normally find a mounted warrior (basically anywhere not outside), there will be consequences. Any player who makes a mockery of the privilege of horses on FRC will probably be banned. I hate that we have to take such a hard stance on this, but it is necessary for everyone's enjoyment. Horses will be considered to be a module wide privilege and should be treated as such. Using them in anyway to exploit, harass, annoy or anything that could be considered questionable behavior, especially the uses we *haven't* thought of will get you into big trouble with the DM's. I am looking forward to horses on FRC, as I hope everyone else is. Let's not blow it!
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Nov 6, 2006 12:54:55 GMT -5
That does bring up a thought..... Lets say I ride my war pony to a cave, dismount, and then do go in. Will it still be there when I come out.. Not withstanding a troll or something comin along and eatin my poor little pony. If a troll could eat my pony.. good ridance I say.. Stupid pony.. What I mean is will the clean up script remove it? *shakes head* Helgrin on a pony... Like dat gonna happen. But for the Knights and all ya noble folks I think it a question worth asking.
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Post by Driderman on Nov 6, 2006 13:07:08 GMT -5
Well, I can imagine situations where riding a horse into an odd location, say like the Regal Griffon, would be realistic... But of course, I assume our worthy DMs has already thought of that as well
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 6, 2006 13:36:02 GMT -5
Well, I can imagine situations where riding a horse into an odd location, say like the Regal Griffon, would be realistic... But of course, I assume our worthy DMs has already thought of that as well It will never be considered to be realistic under any circumstances. That's why I made this post... so there is no confusion. Horses are for exteriors only. No matter what.
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Post by Driderman on Nov 6, 2006 13:39:20 GMT -5
Not even if the Banites storm Isinhold and Ranan has his warsteed kick in the door of the Regal Griffon, swinging his weapon of choice in the air while daring any to try and oppose the will of Bane?
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 6, 2006 13:40:36 GMT -5
Not even if the Banites storm Isinhold and Ranan has his warsteed kick in the door of the Regal Griffon, swinging his weapon of choice in the air while daring any to try and oppose the will of Bane? Right. That's what I am talking about. NEVER. See, if we allow exceptions then people will aurgue endlessly about other exceptions, so right from the get-go. No. This will not be allowed.
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Post by Driderman on Nov 6, 2006 13:42:40 GMT -5
Oh, alright. Just had to be sure ;D
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 6, 2006 13:47:39 GMT -5
I can't tell you how excited I am to have a horse. Thanks a million Justi and Ainur (and anyone else involved) you guys still rock
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Post by moulinous on Nov 6, 2006 13:50:18 GMT -5
will there be ponys and mules for us short folk and well, nm, i will keep my 100 questions till i see them....
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Nov 6, 2006 13:58:47 GMT -5
Yes Guldar.... Your My Little Princess Pink Glitter Pony will be all ready for you some day... Yer gonna look so ADORABLE riding it
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Post by DM Richard (Retired) on Nov 6, 2006 15:18:59 GMT -5
Not even if the Banites storm Isinhold and Ranan has his warsteed kick in the door of the Regal Griffon, swinging his weapon of choice in the air while daring any to try and oppose the will of Bane? Right. That's what I am talking about. NEVER. See, if we allow exceptions then people will aurgue endlessly about other exceptions, so right from the get-go. No. This will not be allowed. I'll fix him Justi! *turns him into a penguin*
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Post by Driderman on Nov 6, 2006 15:22:23 GMT -5
Right. That's what I am talking about. NEVER. See, if we allow exceptions then people will aurgue endlessly about other exceptions, so right from the get-go. No. This will not be allowed. I'll fix him Justi! *turns him into a penguin* I wasn't aware that I needed fixing...
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 6, 2006 16:20:41 GMT -5
That does bring up a thought..... Lets say I ride my war pony to a cave, dismount, and then do go in. Will it still be there when I come out.. Not withstanding a troll or something comin along and eatin my poor little pony. If a troll could eat my pony.. good ridance I say.. Stupid pony.. What I mean is will the clean up script remove it? *shakes head* Helgrin on a pony... Like dat gonna happen. But for the Knights and all ya noble folks I think it a question worth asking. We simply don't know yet exactly how everything will react to the horses. This is going to be a little trial and alot of error. At this point we are all in it together. Cheers!
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Post by Helgrin Granitesoul on Nov 6, 2006 16:49:14 GMT -5
Cool.. Thanks for the heads up.. Like I said.. Just a thought that came into my mind..
I can't wait to seem um in action.
I can see it now......
Helgrin on a Mountain Pony Shouting CLANGADDIN as he and his trusted mount Dop (short for dumb old pony) charge a valley full of Frosties.....
Glorious it shall be... Glorious I tells ya..
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Post by moulinous on Nov 6, 2006 17:03:24 GMT -5
Cool.. Thanks for the heads up.. Like I said.. Just a thought that came into my mind.. I can't wait to seem um in action. I can see it now...... Helgrin on a Mountain Pony Shouting CLANGADDIN as he and his trusted mount Dop (short for dumb old pony) charge a valley full of Frosties..... Glorious it shall be... Glorious I tells ya.. yep, guess i will be needing to buy some more raise scrolls for when the fool arse on the arse falls down from riding down a hill like a friggin idiot knight want ta be.....
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Post by Munroe on Nov 6, 2006 19:31:49 GMT -5
Simple explanation IC of why horses can't be indoors: the doors are small and irregular. If someone tried to ride a horse through a door, they'd get beamed in the chest by the doorframe and knocked flat on their rear.
Yes, I realize that potentially someone could duck under a door, but who looks intimidating ducking under a door on a horse, and I really don't think people in full plate can duck at all, nevermind on a horse. :-P
So, is there going to be a new business in stables around Isinhold?
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 7, 2006 1:44:54 GMT -5
Simple explanation IC of why horses can't be indoors: the doors are small and irregular. If someone tried to ride a horse through a door, they'd get beamed in the chest by the doorframe and knocked flat on their rear. Yes, I realize that potentially someone could duck under a door, but who looks intimidating ducking under a door on a horse, and I really don't think people in full plate can duck at all, nevermind on a horse. :-P So, is there going to be a new business in stables around Isinhold? We will probably pilot horses a little deeper in the module then move stables closer to Isinhold. Your character should be able to get where we are planning to make the first stables with little difficulty. I must warn though that horses aren't going to be cheap. They aren't going to be exorbitant, but they won't be cheap by any means. What does everyone think a fair pricing structure since we seem to be on the subject?
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Post by Dachshund on Nov 7, 2006 1:49:09 GMT -5
You say they aren't going to be cheap? I'm assuming that's because you don't want every newly arrived PC in isinhold having horses?
If that is the case, they should be priced at at least 1,000 gold lions, excluding the barding. That way, only players intent on having horses will spend gold on them.
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Post by heimdall on Nov 7, 2006 1:55:40 GMT -5
All the good horses are being bought up by the army. The cost of a good horse should be between 3500 and 5000, if not more. That's just me talking though!
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Post by megascorpion on Nov 7, 2006 1:57:56 GMT -5
I would vote for 1k or 5k depending on how they work..
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Post by Gabusta on Nov 7, 2006 2:02:55 GMT -5
In Tyrluk there are an NPC horse seller, his description reads:(I think) "His horses are normally sold for between 38 and 45 lions" This is a lot too cheap compared to your posts, so if horses are going to be more expensive than 45 lions, his description should be changed, too
EDIT: And yeah, 1k-5k would be a fair price, I think.
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Post by Gusty on Nov 7, 2006 2:04:22 GMT -5
They should be incredibly expensive considering these are the newly bred horses capable of resisting the horrible horse plague that wiped out all horses in a thousand mile radius for the past 10 years or so. Money sink the crap out of them. 50K minimum. heh.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 7, 2006 2:19:21 GMT -5
You say they aren't going to be cheap? I'm assuming that's because you don't want every newly arrived PC in isinhold having horses? If that is the case, they should be priced at at least 1,000 gold lions, excluding the barding. That way, only players intent on having horses will spend gold on them. Actually, I am assuming that horses aren't cheap in a war torn land... It's not so much that we don't want every new arrival *not* to have a horse more than that they *wouldn't* have a horse... I think 1k a little light considering a 1st level character could raise this in one good night. I was thinking more like 5-10k at least, but you can call me nuts if you like.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 7, 2006 2:21:08 GMT -5
In Tyrluk there are an NPC horse seller, his description reads:(I think) "His horses are normally sold for between 38 and 45 lions" This is a lot too cheap compared to your posts, so if horses are going to be more expensive than 45 lions, his description should be changed, too EDIT: And yeah, 1k-5k would be a fair price, I think. Of course the text will be changed to match "reality". Again, 1-2k seems very little to pay for such an honored steed. I was thinking more like 10k... and up...
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Post by Dachshund on Nov 7, 2006 2:29:51 GMT -5
Would this price be without barding or will barding not be available at first?
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 7, 2006 2:31:35 GMT -5
Would this price be without barding or will barding not be available at first? Not certain yet. I don't think we will initially have barding.
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Post by Hackmaster on Nov 7, 2006 6:12:54 GMT -5
Considering the high economy of FRC 5k or even 10K plus is not unreasonable here. If I am going to pay 35k for a a suit of leather armor I can only imagine what a horse would run me!
Here is the kicker though...are these horses gunna fall over first few hits? I mean. Is a player gunna be able to target a horse and bring it down in a couple blows? Are we going to get surrounded by a ton of creatures and watch as 10k goes down the drain every time we are on an adventure? If they are easy kills then I say keep em cheap otherwise there will be a lot of mad people. Or does the horse last like a summons? Get killed and can be summoned again the next day sorta thing...a temp death. Also...does it count as a summons? haha If I want to summon a elemental for example and I going to loose my horse, or if I summon my elemental will my horse suddenly disappear?
I am curious how many Knight Errants and Cavaliers we will suddenly have? haha
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Post by megascorpion on Nov 7, 2006 8:51:42 GMT -5
the highest amount my lvl 9 has ever gathered is 13k.. I would probably never get a horse if they cost 10k excluding barding(at least not in the next 5 levels ), but I think it's a reasonable price.. And that would be for a lifetimesupply of them What level range are they supposed to be? only lvl 10+'s..?
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Post by shanara on Nov 7, 2006 9:24:41 GMT -5
Horses should be expensive IMHO. They are expensive in reality to buy and care for. How much more so in a war torn region.
Something else I thought about reading through this is how many pcs will actually know how to ride a horse? For instance, regarding Shana and her background, she never came in contact with horses as far as learning to ride one so it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for her to buy one and then suddenly know how to ride it. I can see some interesting rp opportunities with this.
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Post by Booze Hound on Nov 7, 2006 10:14:56 GMT -5
10k minimum definatly.
Hopefuly they don't die everytime you get off them. it would be swell if there was some sort of token that "summned" your horse, that way, if you go into a ruin, etc, you could "tie it to a ree" outside, then "untie" it when you are ready to go and just use the token, that would definatly be worth someting like 20k or more.
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