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Post by Warlord on Apr 9, 2020 11:14:00 GMT -5
Earlier this week, I had my full cleric Naralith hold up her symbol while she cast turning. I did not see any boost or change. She is a priestess of Corellon. I have the log so if you can tell me what I should look for. What you might be experiencing is an item whose base tag is not appropriately being read by the script. I dont know what the conditions were to acquiring the item. If from a certain elf settlement, I should think it'd work. If from a DM that dropped it and named it Corellons Holy Symbol, they might have just taken what item could be found and renamed it, not knowing the potential from appropriately tagged holy symbols. Personal opinion: Wouldn't really be doing backflips in glee about this. It is more a nice flavor item. Helga at level 21 cleric with the holy symbol out /still/ doesn't care to turn undead, especially against the undead expected for her to battle, so it won't be a game changer. At lower levels it can be gratifying but still not a strategy I bank on. A future solution for the player base and builders alike might be considering adding some generic holy symbols to NPC Arna in the welcome area then players can ask a DM to name change the item. Cheers! |
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Post by Fox² on Apr 9, 2020 11:14:56 GMT -5
If I understand what was said correctly (which is always in doubt), the effect only occurs if you're up against Undead with Turn Resistance or Outsiders with Spell Resistance if you have the Good or Evil domain. What matters is having Turn Undead and the ability to turn the creatures you're fighting. When you equip a holy symbol there should be a big AoE VFX effect played, and then whenever an enemy you can affect with the holy symbol nears you, a smaller VFX should play over their head. Holy symbols might not be working for some people because you're using the "wrong" symbol (it only works with properly created symbols with the correct item tag), or one of the scripts broke somewhere.... or auras are being buggy again like normal for NWN. |
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Post by malclave on Apr 9, 2020 12:34:49 GMT -5
Is there any way to tell if a character has a correct holy symbol? I don't recall ever seeing an effect play on either Kimbera or Perrin when they would equip their symbols for RP purposes.
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Post by kasama on Apr 15, 2020 12:13:32 GMT -5
You understood correctly, and one wouldn't see any changes on their own character sheet. Since you also don't see the rolls associated with a turn undead attempt, you won't have any confirmation beyond the visual/audio cue given when a creature enters the area of effect. (or when the item is equipped) Though it isn't restricted to those two domains, as earth, air, water, fire, destruction, and plant domains all affect Turn Undead. Is it only those domains? Outside of those domains, are there other tricks that are possible for the other domains for their holy symbols? Kas has been carrying her restored Glittergold around as fluff RP (created by Hawk in a small RP plot by Rocky), would a DM created symbol fall under the category of "holy symbols with hidden effects?. Is it considered bad form to request a DM driven plot (on an individual basis) to have a spiritual reawakening/holy journey type of plot to activate/be gifted by (ie. create for that specific holy symbol) abilities from the chosen god? Will the Browns ever make it to the Super Bowl? |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Apr 15, 2020 14:02:02 GMT -5
You understood correctly, and one wouldn't see any changes on their own character sheet. Since you also don't see the rolls associated with a turn undead attempt, you won't have any confirmation beyond the visual/audio cue given when a creature enters the area of effect. (or when the item is equipped) Though it isn't restricted to those two domains, as earth, air, water, fire, destruction, and plant domains all affect Turn Undead. Is it only those domains? Outside of those domains, are there other tricks that are possible for the other domains for their holy symbols? Kas has been carrying her restored Glittergold around as fluff RP (created by Hawk in a small RP plot by Rocky), would a DM created symbol fall under the category of "holy symbols with hidden effects?. Is it considered bad form to request a DM driven plot (on an individual basis) to have a spiritual reawakening/holy journey type of plot to activate/be gifted by (ie. create for that specific holy symbol) abilities from the chosen god? Will the Browns ever make it to the Super Bowl? Yes, (for additional types) not at this time, not unless it was copied from one of those with the correct labeling, and it would be up to the staff in question. Since someone got cranky the last time I said any details, this is probably the last answer you'll get from me. |
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Post by DM Raven on Apr 15, 2020 19:15:34 GMT -5
You understood correctly, and one wouldn't see any changes on their own character sheet. Since you also don't see the rolls associated with a turn undead attempt, you won't have any confirmation beyond the visual/audio cue given when a creature enters the area of effect. (or when the item is equipped) Though it isn't restricted to those two domains, as earth, air, water, fire, destruction, and plant domains all affect Turn Undead. Is it only those domains? Outside of those domains, are there other tricks that are possible for the other domains for their holy symbols? Kas has been carrying her restored Glittergold around as fluff RP (created by Hawk in a small RP plot by Rocky), would a DM created symbol fall under the category of "holy symbols with hidden effects?. Is it considered bad form to request a DM driven plot (on an individual basis) to have a spiritual reawakening/holy journey type of plot to activate/be gifted by (ie. create for that specific holy symbol) abilities from the chosen god? Will the Browns ever make it to the Super Bowl? The Brown's in the Superbowl would definitely fall under the providence of a divine miracle lol |
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Post by malclave on Apr 15, 2020 20:00:12 GMT -5
Is it only those domains? Outside of those domains, are there other tricks that are possible for the other domains for their holy symbols? Kas has been carrying her restored Glittergold around as fluff RP (created by Hawk in a small RP plot by Rocky), would a DM created symbol fall under the category of "holy symbols with hidden effects?. Is it considered bad form to request a DM driven plot (on an individual basis) to have a spiritual reawakening/holy journey type of plot to activate/be gifted by (ie. create for that specific holy symbol) abilities from the chosen god? Will the Browns ever make it to the Super Bowl? The Brown's in the Superbowl would definitely fall under the providence of a divine miracle lol A Browns/ Lions Super Bowl would be an event like the Time of Troubles or the Spellplague. |
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Post by Animayhem on Apr 15, 2020 22:54:13 GMT -5
Is there any way to tell if a character has a correct holy symbol? I don't recall ever seeing an effect play on either Kimbera or Perrin when they would equip their symbols for RP purposes. Can dms verify if clerics have the correct symbols? |
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Apr 16, 2020 7:08:15 GMT -5
I bought the three holy symbols from the Triadic guild shop and neither of them gave any additional graphic when turning undead on my paladin.
So now I've got 3 holy symbols, one of which looks suspiciously unholy.
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Post by Andros on Apr 16, 2020 17:59:18 GMT -5
I have used and still use Symbols bought from the temple of lathander in Eveningstar and the temple of Sune in Suzail and neither of those create any type of noticeable VFX or noise.
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Post by Animayhem on Apr 16, 2020 20:47:49 GMT -5
I have used and still use Symbols bought from the temple of lathander in Eveningstar and the temple of Sune in Suzail and neither of those create any type of noticeable VFX or noise. Naraliths symbol of Corellon has no effect an it was bought from the Elven settlement. |
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Post by Warlord on Apr 16, 2020 22:49:59 GMT -5
Even if we assume all the holy symbols are the right ones, using the symbol takes a bit of maticulous timing. My suggestion: Pick a manageable pod of undead, let them circle your PC, then whip out the holy symbol. In other words: avoid going into the group of undead with the holy symbol out. Not sure how people are administering to the holy burning afterall without more feedback. My advise: Placing some generic holy symbols with the right tag at the welcome room merchant, and then let DM's rename them on request might be a simple approach to allowing access of fun among clerics. It is a cute flavor item. My opinion: Still not really a big deal with the function, won't be a game changer, so please...don't die from it  |
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