Us vs Them

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Jun 23, 2017 13:16:28 GMT -5 erratic1 said:

Jun 23, 2017 6:55:40 GMT -5 ... said:

It is OOC. You can't just pick Neth out of a crowded GG.. but maybe you can. I dunno and I don't care. It's your logic after all. My logic says no. Your logic says yes. We're at an impasse. Endless argument ensue.

I'm not fighting you anymore on this platform because this platform makes no sense to me. There are too many things to consider. In a purely in character world then Neth would be free to murder people and Veli would be free to check every single elf in Cormyr. We'd have a blast! Things have changed, however. I can't play like that because of ooc constraints, I get grief, I get *chickenwing*, I get people who don't understand and don't want to understand. I can't do it. I can't play my character like I used to. I'm sorry but I'm not here for you. You won. You've defeated her. I can't be your enemy this time around. I'm going in a different direction with my character now, one that's more inward focused. I'm exploring my character and playing with my friends, end of.

This server failed me and I failed it.

After all this time, you need to ease up on me man.

From what I can see, there's fresh blood for you to gorge on. People who have yet to become as jaded by this system as I have become. There are different flavors of evils, the safe sorts that are far less reckless than I. Some people may think that it's the "better" way to play evil. I say that it's simply the different way to play it.

You have two choices.
Stick to your character 100% and do everything you can both ic and ooc to pick on me and in response I will stick to my character 100% and pvp like a psychopath. If you're going to use every rule to your advantage to prevent me from existing then I will do the same.

OR

Let me attempt to play in this new way. Alone.

<3

I can understand your grievance here, Rednails, but this is a bed that you laid with your character yourself. Whilst I don't know the full story of what happened with your most recent encounter, previous events where extremely violent and ambush related with Neth. While I don't begrudge you the style of RP you wish to play, if you don't wish to have your PC attacked on sight anymore by anyone of good alignment then I'd suggest making a new PC, because Neth is a known violent outlaw and Cyrist worshipper, and therefore it's open season on her by anyone who cares.

Then it is also open season for me. As I said, there is a choice here and if you want to play it this way then I can accommodate. I come back to my original grievance that people will fight me on the ooc level as well as the ic level because some people just aren't mature enough to roleplay properly because all you can see is indeed, "us vs them". It's people who think like this that undermines everything Merc just said. You misunderstand the situation here, this is not a chance for you to politely suggest that I don't play my character. It's a chance for you to be a human being and show some compassion and understanding towards another player so that she can keep her character while suiting the sensibilities of the playerbase here. Still, if you can't do that then I shall give you the pvp that you want. I won't scoop to the level of fighting players oocly but I will play my character brutally and honestly as a true Cyricist can be. Just be clear that I gave people a chance to meet me half way.

[StabbingNirvana]

Your character is an outlaw. Your character is cyricist. Your character is a murderer. Every time Vel sees Neth, he will ask for a bluff check because he actively looks for red flags and to top it off he knows Neth very well.. It isn't ooc. If you were on another character, I would not be attacking that character. It's strictly IC. I won't ask for bluff checks on my other characters. Again, it's all IC. Neth created a conflict between an Order of Torm, Tyr, Ilmater and an entire kingdom. We didnt create that. That was the bed that she made, that's the bed she will rest in.

Besides, if Abii's message to me yesterday rings any truth that you came back at her request, I'm pretty sure playing with Abii means PvPing on Abii's side. Don't have to be a rocket scientists to figure that out. Mind you, that tell came after our PvP.

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Did abii mention the part where I said I wouldn't be taking part in the pvp?? Did she speak of my reluctance? 

Anyway, *bleep-itty-bleep* it.. Let's play! Dark Sun rises.

[Razgriz]

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In my opinion, Neth was at her best when certain inner fighting among the cyricists occurred. Im not going to say what happened or who were involved, but I thought it was great that the church leadership/administration got an overhaul.

I think Neth could still be Neth and PvP -alot-, without you or her getting that worried and afffected by about drama. This time, why not making her more cloak and dagger styled?

Sure, she can still get opportunities to assassin someone who asked for it, but do so less randomly and in a less chaotic approach as well. The outlaw status would be the IC reason for her to be more careful and for her to choose systematically who is next. She could even adopt a new identity (change name, looks, and more) and become a hitman of sorts for the more "Political Evils".

This is only an alternative to the argument about playing another character and about you just wanting to avoid OOC grievanes. Up to you in the end, of course.

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Jun 23, 2017 14:02:01 GMT -5 Razgriz said:

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In my opinion, Neth was at her best when certain inner fighting among the cyricists occurred. Im not going to say what happened or who were involved, but I thought it was great that the church leadership/administration got an overhaul.

I think Neth could still be Neth and PvP -alot-, without you or her getting that worried and afffected by about drama. This time, why not making her more cloak and dagger styled?

Sure, she can still get opportunities to assassin someone who asked for it, but do so less randomly and in less approach chaotic as well. The outlaw status would be the IC reason for her to be more careful and for her to choose sistematically who is next. She could even adopt a new identity (change name, looks, and more) and become a hitman of sorts for the more "Political Evils".

This is only an alternative to the argument about playing another character and about you just wanting to avoid OOC grievanes.

All those things don't work, as I think have been proven Merc. Your suggestion for a cloak and dagger style sounds great and it's exactly what I was doing until some paladin just sees right through it. Hitman for political evils? Already done it. 

I really have to stop now because if I keep on going it's just going to get worse and worse and people like erratic will pop in with their "helpful" advice and I can't be arsed with it.

Just paint me however you like and carry on with it. "Us vs Them" is a hard nutt to crack when "them" hate your gutts despite claiming otherwise.

I offered to bend to suit you all but you shove "You made your bed and you gotta sleep in it" in my face. I offer the same in reply.

<3

[Southpaw]

To Rednails:

The mark of a great villain is that the audience finds it fun to hate them and looks forward to their grisly demise. If you think of the great plots DM's have made, the best NPC villains are the ones everybody on the server wants to crush under their booted feet. This is part of what makes the game fun, and if a DM makes a villain you feel that way about, you probably post in the "thank you to the DM's" thread for the engaging plot/encounter. So, you're finding yourself in the same position. You've made a great villain that a lot of people have enjoyed opposing, and which the paladins WILL NOT REST! until they see her destroyed, totally, permanently. And with a villain people enjoy playing against as players! The signals that seem to me to be getting a little crossed is that you've done everything right, except the simple fact that you seem to be interpreting the signs of success ("They all want to kill my character!") as failure. It's not. You've created a seriously disturbing villain that people want to play against. That's a mark of a great villain.

If the fact people are looking at Neth as a villain at all, and not some sort of sympathetic character, I kinda hate to say it, but I'd go out on a limb to say that Charles Manson and Vlad the Impaler aren't exactly childhood idol hero types for most people. Most people would love the opportunity to play a PC who gives them a grisly comeuppance. Realistically, the best you can hope for is to make a portrayal of a character like that which players enjoy playing against, as opposed to flat out ticking off everyone they ever come near, OOC as much as IC.

But the real take away point I'm trying to get at is, if good aligned PC's, paladins most of all, WILL NOT REST until Neth is destroyed, that's a sign that you've had success at making a formidable PC through which people enjoy playing with you.

[bloodalchemist]

*raises hand* Wanted to just say, what is left of the Ironsworn isn't much interested in getting involved in this, triadics, cyrcists, best of luck to either party and have fun. *waves and scampers off to do other stuff again*

[Aoi]

Yes, FRC should BE the right place for everyone. I actually like!e and don't want to leave the server. I just would wish for some freedom of choice. Less discussions, more acceptance if someone does simply not want PvP kills.

Like Merc said, doing it less randomly and more considerate would help everyone. Less demanding co passion and understanding. More accepting the wishes of others would already avoid discussions like this.

[Abii]

I only heard about Neth IC from several PCs, also got some information about this PC OOC aswell, I told to Veli OOC that it took me a -while- To make such actions on forum(Temple of Cyric) aswell as in game, to make this player back, (started to work on it when i had my 1st converastion with this player on PM, that she liked that her topic 'Cyric temple' is again living) Then idea came to my mind that woudl be sweet if I may 'try' to bring old murderer once again *grins* and meet her IC. Tho I never told anyone nothing about Neth~ Beside this above i guess.

PS. Glad your back, dear :*

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Jun 23, 2017 14:23:10 GMT -5 Abii said:

I only heard about Neth IC from several PCs, also got some information about this PC OOC aswell, I told to Veli OOC that it took me a -while- To make such actions on forum(Temple of Cyric) aswell as in game, to make this player back, (started to work on it when i had my 1st converastion with this player on PM, that she liked that her topic 'Cyric temple' is again living) Then idea came to my mind that woudl be sweet if I may 'try' to bring old murderer once again *grins* and meet her IC. Tho I never told anyone nothing about Neth~ Beside this above i guess.

PS. Glad your back, dear :*

Bllaaarrhh this is all your fault! *stab*

I dunno, whatever.. I'm going to find something enjoyable to do. Forum gives me a headache. You give me a headache. I dunno what I'm doing here. lol

Sorry, I'm very bipolar. I love you all but I also hate you all. Like Phoenix said, I'm a pyscho, always have been always will be. Just do whatever, you're just text on a screen and can't hurt me! <3<3

[spyd3r97344]

Jun 23, 2017 14:31:24 GMT -5 ... said:

I dunno, whatever.. I'm going to find something enjoyable to do. Forum gives me a headache. You give me a headache. I dunno what I'm doing here. lol

Sorry, I'm very bipolar. I love you all but I also hate you all. Like Phoenix said, I'm a pyscho, always have been always will be. Just do whatever, you're just text on a screen and can't hurt me! <3<3

You are a good writer and have many loving fans, don't let nay say'ers keep you from being you
Let them fear you are a builder of strife and tension and it is the hardest route

[erratic1]

Jun 23, 2017 13:34:35 GMT -5 ... said:

Jun 23, 2017 13:16:28 GMT -5 erratic1 said:

I can understand your grievance here, Rednails, but this is a bed that you laid with your character yourself. Whilst I don't know the full story of what happened with your most recent encounter, previous events where extremely violent and ambush related with Neth. While I don't begrudge you the style of RP you wish to play, if you don't wish to have your PC attacked on sight anymore by anyone of good alignment then I'd suggest making a new PC, because Neth is a known violent outlaw and Cyrist worshipper, and therefore it's open season on her by anyone who cares.

Then it is also open season for me. As I said, there is a choice here and if you want to play it this way then I can accommodate. I come back to my original grievance that people will fight me on the ooc level as well as the ic level because some people just aren't mature enough to roleplay properly because all you can see is indeed, "us vs them". It's people who think like this that undermines everything Merc just said. You misunderstand the situation here, this is not a chance for you to politely suggest that I don't play my character. It's a chance for you to be a human being and show some compassion and understanding towards another player so that she can keep her character while suiting the sensibilities of the playerbase here. Still, if you can't do that then I shall give you the pvp that you want. I won't scoop to the level of fighting players oocly but I will play my character brutally and honestly as a true Cyricist can be. Just be clear that I gave people a chance to meet me half way.

You can certainly roleplay Neth as you want. As long as it's within the server rules you won't get an argument from me. If we pvp, and there's the reason for it, and my character gets a good drubbing (or visa versa) you won't hear me complaining about it.

However my words where not meant in a "Me vs you" mentality. I'm not interested in attacking you personally. You seem to think that this is a personal attack against you, so all I can say to you is: No, stop. Step back and think.

Neth's actions are aggressive, manic, psychotic, and all of which is on an open level. This reputation and her actions have made her an outlaw. By the very same PVP rules that you yourself have enjoyed over the past, they still apply to yourself and therefore, regardless if you want the conflict with Neth or not, you have got it. You can't just switch this off whenever you like, the rule is there for everyone, all of the time.


From the sounds of what happened in Greatgaunt, you were in town with Neth, and you got asked to roll for your disguise. Which is not an unreasonable request. The days of unfailable disguises is over and if you wish to bring an outlaw character into the middle of town then that's the risk you run. Calling metagaming on this is unfair, what you are saying is that you want to roleplay an outlaw psycho killer and yet you do not wish to roleplay the consequences of her actions.

[Rane]

Jun 23, 2017 14:02:01 GMT -5 Razgriz said:

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In my opinion, Neth was at her best when certain inner fighting among the cyricists occurred.

Wasn't me!

[Dimitri]

You just have to never show your characters face ever. Dimitri had.. 4 people before this year that knew what he looked like under that silly hood?

[DM Maleficent's Kiss]

Hoods don't necessarily mean you're "disguised" there are rules put in place more recently to make the playing field more even. In the past people would simply don a hood and change the color of their clothes then claim "oh hai! I'm disguised!" leaving everyone else to simply dip their head and accept defeat. The days of easy disguises and changing hood and clothing colors are over.

Anyone wanting to use a disguise needs to play by the following rule guidlines: frc.proboards.com/thread/26587/disguise-rules-guidelines

People attempting to RP a disguise who aren't following this should be recognizable enough by others. People needing a disguise THAT badly should be willing to work for it through their RP and put some thought into it.

[Malzaron]

She's been gone for a while . Her appearances could have changed and to know what she looks like with hundreds of elves coming and going is kinda of rediculous . If you don't bluff check every elf that comes through and wears a hood then you should really re- evaluate the way you go about it . In my mind if someone has been gone for extended periods of time regardless of how high there bounty or what crimes they committed I'm more than likely not gonna recognize who they are unless they go out of their way to let me know . Think about all the people who go on the run and hide in ain site . To say that everyone is on full alert that neth is back without ic finding out that she's identified herself to someone is not realistic .

[FlyingMidget]

Jun 23, 2017 15:13:18 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

She's been gone for a while . Her appearances could have changed and to know what she looks like with hundreds of elves coming and going is kinda of rediculous . If you don't bluff check every elf that comes through and wears a hood then you should really re- evaluate the way you go about it . In my mind if someone has been gone for extended periods of time regardless of how high there bounty or what crimes they committed I'm more than likely not gonna recognize who they are unless they go out of their way to let me know . Think about all the people who go on the run and hide in ain site . To say that everyone is on full alert that neth is back without ic finding out that she's identified herself to someone is not realistic .

I recognize people I run into on the street occasionally that I haven't seen in 4+ years in clothing they probably didn't even own back then and that's without the person being someone I've associated as being dangerous psychopath mass murderer that I've had conflicts with and know is probably out there still.   I'd say if you want to be disguised, put alittle effort into it and follow the rules associated with it.  

If one doesn't think they'd be noticed in a crowded market or whatever because they're actively trying to blend in, then they should probably be both disguised and stealthed (because stealth is more then just being hidden, it's about being unnoticed).

That's just my two cents on it all,
FM.

[blink]

..., I've played with Netharmirth on many of my characters. Some from the point in the start of her existence on FRC. I've seen some good and some bad that came with her, on multiple PCs. Some of my PCs want her to die, want to kill her. Others still like her, or fear her. As a player, I do not hold a grudge against you for playing your PC the way you want to. I do not hate you, I do not dislike you. Some others might react OOCly to you, but report those cases as necessary and don't let it get to you too heavily any longer. You never deserved any pain that this game has brought you.

[Animayhem]

It can be hard bringing back a character after some time. Marister is a carry over from elsewhere. I was a bit upset as I could not exactly play as I wanted.

I stopped and took a deep breath and reread the guidelines and adjust accordingly without losing "Marister" and I felt it helped him grow.

The Outlaw and Disguise changes were made in player response to recent PVP incidents. The Admins and DMs and advocates reviewed all sides and came up with the changes.

Once an Outlaw always and Outlaw and fair game according to the rules.

I am not a great fan of PVP myself and have been unwilling participant at times but overall the new rules have lessened to some extent,

However there will always be those who say screw you I am evil I will attack and kill whomever whenever. 

Bottom line whether PVP or just other rp if it irks you try and discuss with player, If not go to proper complaint channels.

Oh by the way PVP is not just about physical violence but it can also be psychological abuse either verbal or by non- direct means.

As I mentioned before, many come here to relieve rl stress. However it is best not to play angry but if you do then go whack trolls or goblins or some such rather than take frustrations out on players/and or their characters.

Also remember this is fantasy and keep the separation of player and character just that.

[DM Hawk]

Howdy folks,

Just to chime in on a few points - and want to say a big thanks to those who are making a constructive effort here.

Jun 23, 2017 3:43:22 GMT -5 hellscream123 said:

Make friends woth eveyone oocly. Seemed to work for me *shrug* mind you i also am an active pvp avoider. Still the concept remains.

If we're all friends outside of our characters. Then the actions of our characters can be second person instead of 3rd or 1st dependant on mentality.

Play from 2nd person whenever you can. Know what size shoe your character wears. How and why they walk. Tell everyone how anx why when needed. But stay in your computer chair.

Its really freaking hard. But leaves the drama with your (insert witty character joke here)

Justi says to leave the drama for your llama

This is a powerful point Hellscream and echoes other posts in this thread. My old character enjoyed his share of in character conflict, rivalries, enemies, and pvp. With most of his rivals and enemies, especially after I played for a few years on FRC, there was OOC respect and friendship behind the scenes. It makes a world of difference. I've had experiences further back where things weren't so nice behind the scenes. Sometimes my fault, sometimes not, but all of these were wasted opportunities to have more fun and less drama.

When you play to win win win, you really lose. FRC is really about a collaborative story in the making and giving more weight to this than winning is more rewarding in the end. We've all got pieces of the script for this gig.

And you can join those who have made lifetime friendships on FRC. What's more rewarding five years from now?

Jun 23, 2017 13:10:05 GMT -5 erratic1 said:

We now have events that happened now are considered to have "not happened" and as such consequences being avoided, and I have to say, I'm not a fan of this. Characters of any class or alignment, should not have their actions revoked just because of their level or because of their players standing or reputation or post count on the forum or whatever. They should be held accountable for their actions accordingly- consequences in game is just another form of roleplay and yet again something that is being treated as taboo because players get too upset about facing those consequences for actions that their characters created.

My question is why are we avoiding this? Rather than making awkward situations "go away" we should be dealing with them. If a player gets too butt-hurt over dealing with such consequences then is FRC really the server for them?

Hi Erratic - I'd like to hear more about your observation either in a PM or in talk in game. However, if you're speaking about the PVP that happened earlier this week between Velisario, Netharmirth, and Shiv the jury is still out on that. More conversations need to take place.

Jun 23, 2017 13:49:03 GMT -5 StabbingNirvana said:

Your character is an outlaw. Your character is cyricist. Your character is a murderer. Every time Vel sees Neth, he will ask for a bluff check because he actively looks for red flags and to top it off he knows Neth very well.. It isn't ooc. If you were on another character, I would not be attacking that character. It's strictly IC. I won't ask for bluff checks on my other characters. Again, it's all IC. Neth created a conflict between an Order of Torm, Tyr, Ilmater and an entire kingdom. We didnt create that. That was the bed that she made, that's the bed she will rest in.

Stabbing Nirvana, I recognize the effort that's been put in improving chances of spotting this character and it's entirely IC to take these initiatives. However, please keep in mind - the disguise rules still govern for both the disguised and the challenger.

Jun 23, 2017 14:31:24 GMT -5 ... said:

Forum gives me a headache.

Um, +1?

[Malzaron]

Jun 23, 2017 16:02:10 GMT -5 FlyingMidget said:

Jun 23, 2017 15:13:18 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

She's been gone for a while . Her appearances could have changed and to know what she looks like with hundreds of elves coming and going is kinda of rediculous . If you don't bluff check every elf that comes through and wears a hood then you should really re- evaluate the way you go about it . In my mind if someone has been gone for extended periods of time regardless of how high there bounty or what crimes they committed I'm more than likely not gonna recognize who they are unless they go out of their way to let me know . Think about all the people who go on the run and hide in ain site . To say that everyone is on full alert that neth is back without ic finding out that she's identified herself to someone is not realistic .

I recognize people I run into on the street occasionally that I haven't seen in 4+ years in clothing they probably didn't even own back then and that's without the person being someone I've associated as being dangerous psychopath mass murderer that I've had conflicts with and know is probably out there still.   I'd say if you want to be disguised, put alittle effort into it and follow the rules associated with it.  

If one doesn't think they'd be noticed in a crowded market or whatever because they're actively trying to blend in, then they should probably be both disguised and stealthed (because stealth is more then just being hidden, it's about being unnoticed).

That's just my two cents on it all,
FM.

First I don't know exactly the situation that has occurred . But I would think that a criminal would try much harder than your average Joe to change their appearance and not be noticed . I just think that after the time that she was gone one shouldn't jump to conclusions off the first encounter . If she was just standing around acting normal which is in my opinion an attempt to rp not being neth lol . Then it wouldn't cause me any concern to look further into . There are just so many others that come into town with hoods on and the first thing we do is call out there names without giving them a chance to rp the disguise which ruins it for everyone . I know the first time she approached malz I acted as if I didn't know who she was because I wasn't expecting her to just come out of nowhere . I wouldn't expect her to be trotting around town or a city . So why would I instantly call for a bluff check . It's just another stranger or pc passing me by .

[FlyingMidget]

Jun 23, 2017 18:36:25 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

Jun 23, 2017 16:02:10 GMT -5 FlyingMidget said:

I recognize people I run into on the street occasionally that I haven't seen in 4+ years in clothing they probably didn't even own back then and that's without the person being someone I've associated as being dangerous psychopath mass murderer that I've had conflicts with and know is probably out there still.   I'd say if you want to be disguised, put alittle effort into it and follow the rules associated with it.  

If one doesn't think they'd be noticed in a crowded market or whatever because they're actively trying to blend in, then they should probably be both disguised and stealthed (because stealth is more then just being hidden, it's about being unnoticed).

That's just my two cents on it all,
FM.

First I don't know exactly the situation that has occurred . But I would think that a criminal would try much harder than your average Joe to change their appearance and not be noticed . I just think that after the time that she was gone one shouldn't jump to conclusions off the first encounter . If she was just standing around acting normal which is in my opinion an attempt to rp not being neth lol . Then it wouldn't cause me any concern to look further into . There are just so many others that come into town with hoods on and the first thing we do is call out there names without giving them a chance to rp the disguise which ruins it for everyone . I know the first time she approached malz I acted as if I didn't know who she was because I wasn't expecting her to just come out of nowhere . I wouldn't expect her to be trotting around town or a city . So why would I instantly call for a bluff check . It's just another stranger or pc passing me by .

All I said is if you want your character to actually count as disguised and unrecognized, then you have to take the effort to follow the rules associated with such.  If you haven't put an effort into such rather simple things listed in those rules then anyone that knew you should be able to call you out if they choose to.   The way you worded things was, even if they haven't changed their actual appearance or anything they should be given a free pass on such because they "might" have without actually doing anything just because they'd been away for a while and I disagree with such, it's the reason we have an actual set of listed rules associated with disguises now.  So there is a means of legally countering such, other then the disguised individual saying they'd automatically succeeded without any effort.

One doesn't need to ask a bluff check for every elf that comes through, if it isn't a disguise then no amount of spot will see through the disguise because it doesn't exist, there's no bluff that needs to be rolled to oppose the spot check.

FM.

[Malzaron]

As I read the rules the burden of calling out a disguise is on the accuser . Head covered , clothing changed , acting in a different mannerism (surround herself with people and not killing them ) . I'm not asking a free pass I'm just asking a little even playing field . my example is that on first meeting a person after an extended period of time. Your shouldn't immediately call out heir identity without further role play . Building evidence against a person after a suspected incident occurs would be most logical . Im not saying give anyone a free pass . I just don't like that people jump to conclusions of the first encounters because there name is "blank" when they hit the shift key .

[Rane]

My thoughts on the disguise. They are hard to pull off.

I spent a lot of time as a correctional officer while going through some college.

When you approach someone who is trying to conceal something, the majority of the time it takes much greater effort on their part to hide from you.

A person on FRC under disguise might be really good at concealing themselves. Well, until they are approached and questioned. At that point several things come into play.

When you are questioned often times you are on the ropes. You never gain the upper hand because you have so much more to lose. This right here alone should make most characters under a hood so uncomfortable that they outright stumble and babble through a response.

I did it to people in real life on the reg. Will is a hell of a thing. You aren't going to have the right answer to every question and the fact that you have to hide something make that even harder.

The fact that we type in order to respond gives us that chance to pause and come up with the perfect response but it shouldn't be that way. If your character encounters rough questioning they should behave accordingly and the person doing the questioning SHOULD become more suspicious.

Your hood is a very minimal and thin veil between you and the world.

Also this. If your character is attempting to behave differently than normal then you are putting on a performance. You are bluffing everyone that has their eyes on you that knows you.

Unless you have these skills bumped up, you have the willpower to stand in front of Velisario and weather his questioning, you shouldn't be rping a perfect disguise.

Your character is going to fail in some regard.

All of that said, I don't believe in the whole disguise thing unless you start showing me with rolls how really epic your character is at behaving like someone they are not.

[Malzaron]

Jun 23, 2017 20:39:24 GMT -5 Rane said:

My thoughts on the disguise. They are hard to pull off.

I spent a lot of time as a correctional officer while going through some college.

When you approach someone who is trying to conceal something, the majority of the time it takes much greater effort on their part to hide from you.

A person on FRC under disguise might be really good at concealing themselves. Well, until they are approached and questioned. At that point several things come into play.

When you are questioned often times you are on the ropes. You never gain the upper hand because you have so much more to lose. This right here alone should make most characters under a hood so uncomfortable that they outright stumble and babble through a response.

I did it to people in real life on the reg. Will is a hell of a thing. You aren't going to have the right answer to every question and the fact that you have to hide something make that even harder.

The fact that we type in order to respond gives us that chance to pause and come up with the perfect response but it shouldn't be that way. If your character encounters rough questioning they should behave accordingly and the person doing the questioning SHOULD become more suspicious.

Your hood is a very minimal and thin veil between you and the world.

Also this. If your character is attempting to behave differently than normal then you are putting on a performance. You are bluffing everyone that has their eyes on you that knows you.

Unless you have these skills bumped up, you have the willpower to stand in front of Velisario and weather his questioning, you shouldn't be rping a perfect disguise.

Your character is going to fail in some regard.

All of that said, I don't believe in the whole disguise thing unless you start showing me with rolls how really epic your character is at behaving like someone they are not.

My point isn't that of the questioning is more of the point of what's the reasoning for the questioning . What prompted the exchange ? That's the whole point I'm making . If you bring up some half baked reason well they were acting out of the norm or they looked suspicous . My thinking is in a town like greatgaunt where you get all sorts of personalities and looks there is no way to determine that someone is acting out of their norm without having a reason to believe it . Did they say something out of line or make a remark that triggered a flashback to a similar event .  I'd like to see these things rped out before jumping the gun and calling someone out on their disguise .  That's just my opinion like it or not . 

[Rane]

Jun 23, 2017 21:13:19 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

Jun 23, 2017 20:39:24 GMT -5 Rane said:

My thoughts on the disguise. They are hard to pull off.

I spent a lot of time as a correctional officer while going through some college.

When you approach someone who is trying to conceal something, the majority of the time it takes much greater effort on their part to hide from you.

A person on FRC under disguise might be really good at concealing themselves. Well, until they are approached and questioned. At that point several things come into play.

When you are questioned often times you are on the ropes. You never gain the upper hand because you have so much more to lose. This right here alone should make most characters under a hood so uncomfortable that they outright stumble and babble through a response.

I did it to people in real life on the reg. Will is a hell of a thing. You aren't going to have the right answer to every question and the fact that you have to hide something make that even harder.

The fact that we type in order to respond gives us that chance to pause and come up with the perfect response but it shouldn't be that way. If your character encounters rough questioning they should behave accordingly and the person doing the questioning SHOULD become more suspicious.

Your hood is a very minimal and thin veil between you and the world.

Also this. If your character is attempting to behave differently than normal then you are putting on a performance. You are bluffing everyone that has their eyes on you that knows you.

Unless you have these skills bumped up, you have the willpower to stand in front of Velisario and weather his questioning, you shouldn't be rping a perfect disguise.

Your character is going to fail in some regard.

All of that said, I don't believe in the whole disguise thing unless you start showing me with rolls how really epic your character is at behaving like someone they are not.

My point isn't that of the questioning is more of the point of what's the reasoning for the questioning . What prompted the exchange ? That's the whole point I'm making . If you bring up some half baked reason well they were acting out of the norm or they looked suspicous . My thinking is in a town like greatgaunt where you get all sorts of personalities and looks there is no way to determine that someone is acting out of their norm without having a reason to believe it . Did they say something out of line or make a remark that triggered a flashback to a similar event .  I'd like to see these things rped out before jumping the gun and calling someone out on their disguise .  That's just my opinion like it or not . 

As an officer of the real law. I didn't need a reason to question anyone. Even my fellow officers.

[Malzaron]

Discrimination ! #cyricsrights!

[Rane]

Jun 23, 2017 21:37:59 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

Discrimination ! #cyricsrights!

haha but if you look at FRC's law with lords ladies and powerful guards who get to use it as they see fit... Random questioning is the least of your worries as a bad guy.

[hellscream123]

Jun 23, 2017 21:37:59 GMT -5 Malzaron said:

Discrimination ! #cyricsrights!

Important note: the era we're in has no civil rights pr securities

[Malzaron]

Was obviously a joke lol . I've been talking to a friend about it and it seems I may have some biased views on the subject . So I'm gonna step away and work it out .