Disguise Discussion

[Lady Frost]

continued from the Execution thread

Expecting people to know you're in disguise is almost unfair. It took Zoe many years of wearing the exact same thing in public before people would send me tells when asking if she was disguised when she wore something different. My practice is to be very clear people may not know who she is. Typically one of a few basic emotes.

*Is dressed in uncommon clothing but is not trying to hide her identity* / *Is not hard to identify as Zodika*

*Is dressed in clothing that most would not identify her in*

*Is heavily disguised*

While it takes paying attention, I try to make this known when new people enter the area, especially ones that may interact with her or have a reason to know. Being proactive will keep a lot of frustrations from popping up.

[Fenix]

Nov 12, 2013 15:07:22 GMT -5 Lady Frost said:

continued from the Execution thread

Expecting people to know you're in disguise is almost unfair. It took Zoe many years of wearing the exact same thing in public before people would send me tells when asking if she was disguised when she wore something different. My practice is to be very clear people may not know who she is. Typically one of a few basic emotes.

*Is dressed in uncommon clothing but is not trying to hide her identity* / *Is not hard to identify as Zodika*

*Is dressed in clothing that most would not identify her in*

*Is heavily disguised*

While it takes paying attention, I try to make this known when new people enter the area, especially ones that may interact with her or have a reason to know. Being proactive will keep a lot of frustrations from popping up.

In that manner, If ind that even after emoting and making it a point to describe every portion of his disguise and noting that nobody should on technicality recognize him, I still either get people calling his name even if repeated when a new player enters the area, or I get tells saying that they have x,y, or z reason to think its Fenix, when each of the reasons they come up with are not actual IC reasons that would be sensible.

[Aseanamous]

I agree with Zoe that if you are disguised, it is important to emote it regularly. Not only that, but you should emote the level of disguise you're in. If you need to, create a NWN Text Macro and hit that button anytime someone walks in.

I can think of many cases where I was able to identify someone from behind when they have a hood up, as long as I know them really well. If you know someone well enough, you can tell who they are just from their body shape and their mannerisms as they walk and talk.

Yet, if you don't know someone that well, sometimes it takes hardly any change at all to become unrecognizable. I once remember meeting a guy with super long hair, then I saw him a week later after he cut all his hair off, and I had no idea who he was.

So it's important to take that into thought when creating a disguise. I think it needs to be less extensive if you're trying to hide from strangers, but more complex if you're trying to hide from friends as well.

It's also important to emote that your voice is disguised, as well as how it is disguised. I'd also expect a bluff check when talking to someone for an extended period of time if that person knows you and/or is looking for you. If the person in disguise fails his bluff check, it shouldn't become apparent to others who he is, only that he is in disguise.

(Disclaimer: All of the above is personal opinion and should not be taken as fact)

[Trollfiend]

frc.proboards.com/thread/21029/npcs-ignoring

DM Savoie Faire stated that the NPC's aren't ignoring you.

It would seem to me that the guards at the gates WOULD have more than a fair reason to ask that someone remove their hood before opening the gate and inviting them in.



When there are people who are wanted dead in the village, the guards are well versed on who is and who is not welcome.

Something to keep in mind, is all.

[Razgriz]

Hobbits! But also remember that Aragon could pass as "invisible" or "unseen" because he was quiet and not talking or doing anything while he was wearing that hood. None of the locals would mind him because he looked the same always. The only one that could tell that Aragon was acting odd was Frodo, but that becasue he had not seen him before or knew how he acted.

Maybe the trick is creating or perfecting the disguise before needing it.

[DM Maleficent's Kiss]

When a person is in disguise there must be a chance given by the disguised character for the opposition or those neutral to the character to notice something, without this "chance" its simply unfair to those around you. This is not real life and there are dice in this game for a reason so give people a chance, take points in bluff if you know your character is going to be assasinating people and then attempting to fool everyone with a clever disguise. All too often people with no points in bluff, pursuade, or intimidate are at the same time attempting to bluff the hardest, pursuade the most and appear the most intimidating - The question I would ask to a player doing this is what grounds are you actually standing on? If you don't spend the points then don't RP that your character knows what they're doing, that's a clear cut form of metagaming and a Dm will eventually call you out on it.

At the same time just because a character isn't loaded up in those above mentioned skills doesn't mean they can't attempt to RP things out, they're simply not going to be as effective as someone who does IF they are actually RP'ing it out and giving the dice a chance. Furthermore, when you disguise yourself do not think it is a free pass to walk back into a town without committing to that RP of "chance." provided a crime was committed. There have been too many instances where someone has committed a devious crime and then plays the disguise card yet doesn't RP out through emotes or whatever else that they're even in a disguise at all until someone supposedly "metagames" them and then the person who wore the disguise believes its okay to cry "hey I'm in a disguise this person metagamed me!" No they didn't...you actually metagamed by not RP'ing out that you were even in a disguise so in essence it was fair game. If you aren't going to RP things out, don't just automatically expect others to play fair.

And at that...

[Trollfiend]

Nov 12, 2013 16:52:18 GMT -5 Razgriz said:

Hobbits! But also remember that Aragon could pass as "invisible" or "unseen" because he was quiet and not talking or doing anything while he was wearing that hood. None of the locals would mind him because he looked the same always. The only one that could tell that Aragon was acting odd was Frodo, but that becasue he had not seen him before or knew how he acted.

Maybe the trick is creating or perfecting the disguise before needing it.

Yes, but the bartender knew who he was. and it was Sam who noticed him



Even with his hood up.

[blinddevil]

Thank you DM MK. Your post about how to RP disguises is right on point, couldn't have said it better myself.

[Razgriz]

Oh well yeah haha