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Post by Razgriz on Feb 22, 2013 13:43:54 GMT -5
I was thinking if this PRC should be allowed to be taken by those that are not part of the RCMH. Actually, the PRC is maybe one of the weakest/less wanted mechanically wise so few people choose it for their characters.
What if it could be made an option for those that are knighted by the Crown RCMH or not. (Though beign in the RCMH would make it easier of course)
Also, do not let them enforce the laws as the npc purple dragons do, unless a DM is there and aware of what is happening. Something like how the "detect evil" ability is used in FRC.
If there is no DM, well then they still can make reports and DMs could decide what to do with those reports. This way those doing unlawful actions would have to be very careful if one of these knights is around because even the report could mean trouble for them in the future.
In my opinion it would be cool to see true knights of Cormyr player-controled more often.
Edit: Just imagine the possibilities. A LE Banite is knighted and uses his title as a way to serve Bane. Then a Tyrran purple dragon knight discovers the true intentions of the Banite but can't just go and kill him, so the Tyrran has to find means other tan pvp to deal with the evil knight.
I think we should reward players that are willing to use a role play heavy class that is less poweful than others.
Also, since the purple dragon knight is a PRC then those that are already another prestige class could not take purple dragon knight class anymore, unless they lose their old PRC.
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Post by Trollfiend on Feb 22, 2013 14:35:55 GMT -5
Personally? I don't think it should be allowed at all. There shouldn't be any knighted PC's in my opinion since there are rules in place barring any and all PC's from even coming from noble stock- even foreign noble stock with no benefits- e.g. banished from home- home and wealth destroyed, etc... Reason? PC's should be on equal footing.
Now, we have a guild that's not officially part of Cormyr's army (which is why War Wizards can no longer be players), yet Cormyr knights the occasional player (occasional because I'm positive others RP as hard as those who are knighted), and that PC is now considered a noble official Knight of Cormyr.
It seems contradictory to the original rule concerning new PC's and it puts one guild above all others in the server. Therefor, if the PRC *is* allowed, I then I agree with the OP in that others should be allowed to be Knights of their own factions. It shouldn't be limited to one particular guild.
(Well, Harper Scout is limited, but I've never seen one of them take it)
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Post by whitelancer on Feb 22, 2013 14:36:53 GMT -5
I was thinking if this PRC should be allowed to be taken by those that are not part of the RCMH. Actually, the PRC is maybe one of the weakest/less wanted mechanically wise so few people choose it for their characters. What if it could be made an option for those that are knighted by the Crown RCMH or not. (Though beign in the RCMH would make it easier of course) Also, do not let them enforce the laws as the npc purple dragons do, unless a DM is there and aware of what is happening. Something like how the "detect evil" ability is used in FRC. If there is no DM, well then they still can make reports and DMs could decide what to do with those reports. This way those doing unlawful actions would have to be very careful if one of these knights is around because even the report could mean trouble for them in the future. In my opinion it would be cool to see true knights of Cormyr player-controled more often. Edit: Just imagine the possibilities. A LE Banite is knighted and uses his title as a way to serve Bane. Then a Tyrran purple dragon knight discovers the true intentions of the Banite but can't just go and kill him, so the Tyrran has to find means other tan pvp to deal with the evil knight.
I think we should reward players that are willing to use a role play heavy class that is less poweful than others.
Also, since the purple dragon knight is a PRC then those that are already another prestige class could not take purple dragon knight class anymore, unless they lose their old PRC. There were Purple Dragon Knights on FRC before the PRC came into play with 1.69. Sharita Amraphen-Gallen and Kelric Hawkrune, among others, come to mind. The only character to have had the actual PRC (to my knowledge) was Silverstring, a product of the previous vault. You can be knighted without the class, but you can't take the class without being knighted. According to the rules, you don't even need to be in the RCMH to take the class. So send in your application and see what happens. |
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Post by Trollfiend on Feb 22, 2013 14:38:25 GMT -5
Only those who are in the RCMH get knighted.
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Post by whitelancer on Feb 22, 2013 14:38:44 GMT -5
Personally? I don't think it should be allowed at all. There shouldn't be any knighted PC's in my opinion since there are rules in place barring any and all PC's from even coming from noble stock- even foreign noble stock with no benefits- e.g. banished from home- home and wealth destroyed, etc... Reason? PC's should be on equal footing. Now, we have a guild that's not officially part of Cormyr's army (which is why War Wizards can no longer be players), yet Cormyr knights the occasional player (occasional because I'm positive others RP as hard as those who are knighted), and that PC is now considered a noble official Knight of Cormyr. It seems contradictory to the original rule concerning new PC's and it puts one guild above all others in the server. It seems elitist to me. This is merely my opinion, of course. Therefor, if the PRC *is* allowed, I then I agree with the OP in that others should be allowed to be Knights of their own factions. It shouldn't be limited to one particular guild. (Well, Harper Scout is limited, but I've never seen one of them take it) Knights aren't necessarily nobles. Not in Cormyr. The Crown can knight a commoner/adventurer as it pleases, but this provides no special distinction on FRC. Just a catchy title. Also wik, Harper Scout was never taken because of the classes being shown on login. That's fixed now. |
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Post by Lady Frost on Feb 22, 2013 16:56:38 GMT -5
Only those who are in the RCMH get knighted. I don't think Kelric was in the RCMH |
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Post by NHmikey on Feb 22, 2013 17:53:50 GMT -5
Kelric was actually the RCMH guild leader at one time. He retired I believe in 2007, maybe late 2006. Vinduil was Knighted as I recall as well, when he was with the RCMH. Only those who are in the RCMH get knighted. I don't think Kelric was in the RCMH |
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Post by breadandcircuses on Feb 22, 2013 18:02:07 GMT -5
I'd really like to hear the logic behind 'PC's should be on equal footing' argument.
To start with, what do you mean by equal footing?
Earning PDK should be a long and arduous thing shown by roleplaying, all IC, a character devoted to Cormyr, her people, and the crown. The PDK guild itself seems kind of silly, but no more so then the dozen + foreigners who are currently RCMH, an elite corp that is supposed to be made up of only the most elite and loyal of the purple dragons.
You're right that PDK's 'outrank' people, but getting to thep oint you earn the right to be a PDK is sort of the test to see if you deserve it; and it's a title that can be stripped. PDK's are supposed to be not just fighters, but exemplars of everything it means to be the perfect Cormyte.
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Post by iangallowglas on Feb 22, 2013 18:08:58 GMT -5
I think the list of Knights goes....
Vinduil
Sharita
Kelric
Crom
Zackery
Silverstring
In no particular order. All of them were members of the RCMH.
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Post by Lady Frost on Feb 22, 2013 19:46:15 GMT -5
Kelric was actually the RCMH guild leader at one time. He retired I believe in 2007, maybe late 2006. Oops. Thanks. If the PRC is going to be thought of as what its called, then it should stay as it is. If it's going to be thought of as something more general (like Champion of Torm=Divine Champion here) then I don't see why it couldn't be opened up.2nd edit: nevermind, I'm off what the OP was talking about. edit:grammar |
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Post by gainreduction on Feb 22, 2013 20:32:26 GMT -5
I think the list of Knights goes.... Vinduil Sharita Kelric Crom Zackery Silverstring In no particular order. All of them were members of the RCMH. +1 |
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Post by gainreduction on Feb 22, 2013 20:44:19 GMT -5
Only those who are in the RCMH get knighted. I don't think Kelric was in the RCMH He was. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Feb 24, 2013 20:44:08 GMT -5
Rather than pointing out that they were all in the RCMH, could you possibly point out some who had sent in rejected applications that weren't in the unit?
(Playing devil's advocate here, don't mind me)
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