To Play An Evil Character...

[quelunia]

Amen Dobian....however if permadeath is enforced for crimes, it should be fairly distributed risk. Or, how about another idea... this one is better than perma death. How about the offending character be taken to a criminal vault? Like take the character out of the players vault... The DM crew could set a time limit.... It is plainly obvious some people will not RP the reprecussions. If a seperate File for say, criminals and convicted file was created, and the character was taken away for a time determined by the DM team, then, if some group of people wished to resurrect that character they could submit an application to the DMs to attempt it.

Also, I think, the discussion of playing evil, be it stupid, meglomaniacish, simple hit and run assassin type, or your just rude and crude. I do think that on the flip side of things, if Good guys banded together and used the laws of the land and followed say Hoar or Tyr, that not only would the bad guys be making a topic of hey there being to ruff, but alot of others would be as well. I have advocated on a few other topics to allow the RCMH to have some arresting powers, something to show that the authorities of the land have trust in their services. My evil guy has been out with alot of the purples, and none know him for what he is, but one or two might suspect. He does this for RP reasons I wont discuss openly here. However, The purples could if they had the authority rip apart just about all the evils on the server. The problem is that then, what would happen? Yes, the purples could cleanse the place....however, if there isnt some sort of a way to show the effort like perma death, a DM sequestering of said evil characters then the RP is all for naught. I for one am one of those that plays an evil guy, and in the end I want to be so evil that he has to be dealt with, and when the RP comes and the PVP begins.... as of that moment, if my character dies in battle... and there is absolutely no hope of him being brought back... well thats the end of his tale, and the good guys get to triumph.

I played on a server that had perma death, your companions could pick it up and carry it. I think that would be more fun, as the good guys would have a chance to chart off your body and dispose of it. Also on this server, if you died in PVE, you could respawn... however if you died as a cause of PVP, you could not, only a raise or a resurrection works. That could also make for fun RP. There could be a vault of criminals, and guards placed and whatnot.... the crypts of the criminals or something, the companions of the dead bad guy could fight their way through to get to the body... also another option.

[Lady Frost]

That puts too much time and pressure on the DM's and Justicar. I'm not saying it's a bad idea or a good one. I actually think requiring a break for anyone that has to respawn from a PvP battle is a good idea. However there is no set standard and there won't likely ever be one. That part of the process falls on players' shoulders and we're all responsible for acting responsibly and reasonably when we encounter "losing" situations; good, neutral and evil.

Did you piss off an epic and they casually killed you and continued on their way? Respawn and sit around town some as you "recover".

Did your conversation build into an hour long verbal battle that took you into a duel where you lost and nobody raised you? Log out and take a day off.

Did your arch-enemy finally track you down, kill you and take your body to a remote location to not be found? Take a few days off to show both realism to the situation and respect to the RP.

Was a whole plot built around your PC and after a few weeks your PC finally lost and was killed in a spectacular fashion? Take a week or two off.

Maybe a town finally condemed and executed your PC. Leave the town alone for a while. You didn't perma die, the least you can do is show the RP a little respect and bugger off for a while.


The point is, one general policy doesn't always fit every situation. It takes all of us looking at it with both a clear head and an understanding for both sides and deciding 1) what is fun, but 2) what would make sense and show respect for the other sides RP.

This doesn't just slide into the way evils should play, this is how everyone should play. The problem is that goods can be good in many many different ways. Evil's easiest way to be "evil" is to do it through character vs character conflict so it quickly draws the most attention and causes much more tension when evil's are actively trying to be evil.

[Savoie Faire]

The purples could if they had the authority rip apart just about all the evils on the server. The problem is that then, what would happen? Yes, the purples could cleanse the place....

This has been tried before and the evils won.

[Pithirendar]

A lot of the suggestions here can be fostered through role play.

Stupid Evil and Stupid Good for that matter can often be a players first experience with that alignment/character. I don't think we need to give everyone such a hard time about the way they role play. A little understanding goes a long way.

The tact I tend to take if I happen upon someone acting tacky. Like, boasting about overtly evil deeds in town etc. (Or Stupid good) Is to pull the character aside, IC, and use the situation to mentor the pc, and through them, the player. What evil pc couldn't use someone to dirty their hands for them? Underlings can be great way to spur on some role play that might not have otherwise occurred and seeing a character develop from stupid evil into someone to fear, for me, is very rewarding.

I've experienced this few times, through role play, and it's made me think and adjust the way I play an 'evil' pc.

We all have a lapse in judgement every now and again too. Tired after a long day and maybe we shouldn't have mentioned for all the town to hear that you murdered Joe Blow in his sleep. So there has to be some leeway. On both sides.

There are always going to be some characters, who, no matter how much you try to mentor continue to be stupid evil. In those instances I just avoid the character. Unfortunately there are always a few who, for what ever reason, will be defensive and/or think they are the greatest role player in the world, when really, they aren't. There isn't much you can do about it, but flaming them really isn't going to achieve anything. This is where understanding can go a long way.

Evil pc's, for me, haven't really been that hard to play on FRC. I've had a lot of fun with it, pulled off some really nefarious actions and gotten away with it.

As with everything it's what you make of it. I choose to foster and mentor where I can, avoid where I can't.

[quelunia]

Oct 11, 2011 20:30:24 GMT -5 Savoie Faire said:

The purples could if they had the authority rip apart just about all the evils on the server. The problem is that then, what would happen? Yes, the purples could cleanse the place....

This has been tried before and the evils won.

Ok, I wasnt aware of that. Happened when I was in Afghanistan then I guess. Well, I know from watching some of the Purples, that they have cohesion and they all have a job and a place, through IC means, I know they have a weakness.... that might explain why the evils won, because the Purples weakness is the bad guys strength. I dont mean that in a bad way, I just have done alot of IC RP trying to find a weakness.

Well, here is a thought, I understand that the last War Wizard was Phelzeron.... has any thought been given to re institute that order, and have some battle mages tied in (IE. Assigned to the RCMH). Its just a thought. Might be best to bring this up in another topic actually, disregard. At any rate, I still think, that the Purples could given the authority actually stand up well against many of the bad guys. Yes, the one weakness that I have found is a hindrance to them, however from the RP I have seen they are trying to fix it. I think they are an excellent organization and really pull off the good guy team work thing to the max. The thing on bad guys, is not all of them are organized, and many of them have so many different views that there are wedges even in any one organized evil group.... thats our weakness. Something that would in a full scale battle would be very evident. Were the Purples train teamwork often, the bad guys are to busy trying to show how tough they are. Well, maybe when my main died or retires, I will think about making a War Wizard for the good guys, and enjoy the flip side of RP. Well, this topic has been informative and fun, thanks to everyone.