Invisablity question

[mebriellz]

so, got a question about invisablity i've been jumping back and forth from, not quiet sure how to RP it.

Ive rp'd where i can just hear them next to me, my character having a goood listen, or the other character is talking to her, but hearing implied.

ive also rp'd it, where they are close enough you see a "outline" type thing shimmering around the person making them somewhat more noticeable if you are close enough.

Ive seen others rp that they can see the person standing next to them (just like you can in the game) when they get so close.

Which would be a more accurate way to Rp someone being invisable? or is there a differeent way im not thinking of

[Lady Frost]

I don't think you'd be able to actually see them. The reason you do in-game, I believe, is beacuse you "detect" them. Much like being able to "see" around corners. No matter how close they get, you can't actually see them, in my understanding.

If someone invisible walks up to my PC, and my PC "detects" them I usually RP knowing they're there and if the other player doesn't agree they usually send a TELL and we discuss it from there.

[Munroe]

Yeah, going to go with "invisible condition means invisible to the character." If you detect them and see them in your game, that is the game illustrating that you have heard them, since it's much harder to have an auditory cue.

You cannot see the invisible character or identify him/her by appearance.

[ConcreteSequential]

A little further clarification, shouldn't items an invisible PC removes from a pouch, pocket, bag, etc become visible at that time?

A PC should also be able to infer something is going on if they notice tracks being made in mud, puddles, etc or by the splashes of something crossing a steam or other large body of water.

I know the game engine doesn't work that way, but shouldn't it be considered by the players?

[Munroe]

May 11, 2011 17:50:38 GMT -5 ConcreteSequential said:

A little further clarification, shouldn't items an invisible PC removes from a pouch, pocket, bag, etc become visible at that time?

A PC should also be able to infer something is going on if they notice tracks being made in mud, puddles, etc or by the splashes of something crossing a steam or other large body of water.

I know the game engine doesn't work that way, but shouldn't it be considered by the players?

To answer the first question:

Invisibility Illusion (Glamer) Level: Brd 2, Sor/Wiz 2, Trickery 2 Components: V, S, M/DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal or touch Target: You or a creature or object weighing no more than 100 lb./level Duration: 1 min./level (D) Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless) or Will negates (harmless, object) Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless) or Yes (harmless, object) The creature or object touched becomes invisible, vanishing from sight, even from darkvision. If the recipient is a creature carrying gear, that vanishes, too. If you cast the spell on someone else, neither you nor your allies can see the subject, unless you can normally see invisible things or you employ magic to do so. Items dropped or put down by an invisible creature become visible; items picked up disappear if tucked into the clothing or pouches worn by the creature. Light, however, never becomes invisible, although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source). Any part of an item that the subject carries but that extends more than 10 feet from it becomes visible. Of course, the subject is not magically silenced, and certain other conditions can render the recipient detectable (such as stepping in a puddle). The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature. For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. (Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character’s perceptions.) Actions directed at unattended objects do not break the spell. Causing harm indirectly is not an attack. Thus, an invisible being can open doors, talk, eat, climb stairs, summon monsters and have them attack, cut the ropes holding a rope bridge while enemies are on the bridge, remotely trigger traps, open a portcullis to release attack dogs, and so forth. If the subject attacks directly, however, it immediately becomes visible along with all its gear. Spells such as bless that specifically affect allies but not foes are not attacks for this purpose, even when they include foes in their area. Invisibility can be made permanent (on objects only) with a permanency spell. Arcane Material Component: An eyelash encased in a bit of gum arabic.

So, by the invisibility description, stuff only becomes visible again if put down (or extending 10 feet from the character). Stuff remains visible until covered up by some invisible clothing or pouch, but does not become visible again if removed from pouch or clothing.

The spell description also addresses your second question.

None the things you mentioned makes the invisible character visible though, it just gives away its location.

[ConcreteSequential]

Thanks, that clears it up.

[erratic1]

If someone is invisible, and your PC detects a shdaowy outline, it's likely that your PC can hear them, not see them.

I usually RP hearing someone, usually followed by a "Who's there?" sort of response. If nothing is responded, I may or may not cast a seeing spell/drink a seeing potion to further check.

Hearing is hearing, really and logically has nothing to do with sight. However, just because sight is removed from the equation, any other senses your character posesses shouldn't really be effected unless there are further extra environmental (or other) conditions.

[EDM Neo]

Everyone has it more or less right. *nods*

Just as a note, you can avoid having your outline appear when you're invisible by using stealth mode. When you get near to someone, instead of automatically having it show up, you roll a Move Silently check opposed by their Listen check. If you win, they don't see you at all (no Spot check is rolled, because you're invisible)... if they win, they hear you and see the outline as normal.

[epicspire]

okay but how do you determine if a person is invisible or just sneaking up to you?

if they are sneaking then they look the same when detected as if they were invisible.

so when you RP seeing someone its usually because the player thought the person was sneaking and didn't assume the person was invisible.

[EDM Entori]

May 12, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -5 epicspire said:

okay but how do you determine if a person is invisible or just sneaking up to you?

if they are sneaking then they look the same when detected as if they were invisible.

so when you RP seeing someone its usually because the player thought the person was sneaking and didn't assume the person was invisible.

a tell?

[erratic1]

May 12, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -5 epicspire said:

okay but how do you determine if a person is invisible or just sneaking up to you?

if they are sneaking then they look the same when detected as if they were invisible.

so when you RP seeing someone its usually because the player thought the person was sneaking and didn't assume the person was invisible.

Actually, this is wrong. If your character detects them, two things can happen.

First off, if they "look" like they have the Improved invisible concealment effect on them when you detect them, then they either are invisible or they are not. Either way, however, your character has heard them, and you should RP accordingly.

If a character appears normal, then that character is not invisible, and you have seen a hidden character and you can RP accordingly also. However, a caveat to this could be that your character has true seeing up, in which case you can see everything, including invisible people/creatures.

Just think about it. What would -you- do in a similar situation if you heard definite footfalls near you, but couldn't see who/what it was making the noise. Obviously, we don't have magic in this here real world, but in game we do, so assumptions on an invisible person being nearby, or someone trying to be sneaky, aren't metagaiming.

[Charon's Claw]

May 12, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -5 epicspire said:

okay but how do you determine if a person is invisible or just sneaking up to you?

if they are sneaking then they look the same when detected as if they were invisible.

so when you RP seeing someone its usually because the player thought the person was sneaking and didn't assume the person was invisible.

If the person appears somewhat transparent that means you've succeeded your listen check, which means you do not see them but "hear" them.

If you detect a person in stealth with your spot score, they will appear completely solid unless they have some spell.

[Aodhan the Unusual]

May 12, 2011 17:18:06 GMT -5 Charon's Claw said:

If the person appears somewhat transparent that means you've succeeded your listen check, which means you do not see them but "hear" them.

If you detect a person in stealth with your spot score, they will appear completely solid unless they have some spell.

Not necessarily. There's been a few times my characters have "detected" someone, they were somewhat transparent, and it was only stealth with no other invisibility spell.

Either way though, if you're not sure it's a spell or stealth, send a tell to the person. It's the polite thing to do.

[Charon's Claw]

There are two types of detection. By listen and by spot. If they're detected by listen they'll be somewhat transparent which means only by listen.

If the spot skill detected it the character would appear solid.

This happens without any kind of spells.

In your case you "heard" them with listen. If you hear them you can't target them directly with spells since you technically can't see them, despite how they register b/c of game limitations.

[danifae]

Yep, "tells" are the best way to go. There are a couple stealthers that will send me a pm once they are in the vacinity of me. Only to ensure we both (mostly me) rp everything properly.

But sometimes its difficult for me. A stealther walks by in stealth mode, I see them. But I dont realize they are try to stealth so I simply blurt out "Hi". Totally ruins any fun they may have been trying to have.