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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 4, 2010 21:28:31 GMT -5
With light of conversations and my own personal thoughts.
I'd thought we'd open up a question an answer thread much like Ask Alizeran, but more related to making a new character..
the original idea for this threat was to be "Ent's Elf corner"
But really.. the problems faced by elven characters, are faced by any character.
So if you got a question about something immersion wise, maybe a backstory, maybe not.
There are many many people on FRC each have their areas of expertise. what I pose to you FRC, is that you place your question here. and someone whos knows more then me, or maybe I will know the answer, will come back with a simple answer..
Not to rival Ask alizeran thread, however I got the feeling that was more lore related issues.
But this to me is a community effort to aid other community members.
enjoy
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Post by 828stingstingneo on Mar 6, 2010 12:39:28 GMT -5
I do have a small question, and yeah, it is about elves.
Do elves have a naming tradition? Do they get their surnames from their mother's side or their father's side? Do all elves do it the same way, or is there a difference between sun elves and moon elves?
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 6, 2010 14:19:37 GMT -5
I do have a small question, and yeah, it is about elves. Do elves have a naming tradition? Do they get their surnames from their mother's side or their father's side? Do all elves do it the same way, or is there a difference between sun elves and moon elves? My reply comes from Evermeet Isle of the Elves, it talks about a moon elf and a sun elf starting a family breifly. See, from what that book implied, your either moon elf or Sun elf. theres no mingling. No off hand I cannot remember if they formed one house, but named their children, if a moon elf, moon flower, and if a sun elf, they took up the fathers surname. I'd have to look it up. but i'm at work.. I'll get back to you
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Post by highknight on Mar 6, 2010 14:23:04 GMT -5
I do have a small question, and yeah, it is about elves. Do elves have a naming tradition? Do they get their surnames from their mother's side or their father's side? Do all elves do it the same way, or is there a difference between sun elves and moon elves? My reply comes from Evermeet Isle of the Elves, it talks about a moon elf and a sun elf starting a family breifly. See, from what that book implied, your either moon elf or Sun elf. theres no mingling. No off hand I cannot remember if they formed one house, but named their children, if a moon elf, moon flower, and if a sun elf, they took up the fathers surname. I'd have to look it up. but i'm at work.. I'll get back to you You're right, Entori. Moon Elves took the Moonflower name, sun elves took the Durothil name.
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 6, 2010 17:45:35 GMT -5
My reply comes from Evermeet Isle of the Elves, it talks about a moon elf and a sun elf starting a family breifly. See, from what that book implied, your either moon elf or Sun elf. theres no mingling. No off hand I cannot remember if they formed one house, but named their children, if a moon elf, moon flower, and if a sun elf, they took up the fathers surname. I'd have to look it up. but i'm at work.. I'll get back to you You're right, Entori. Moon Elves took the Moonflower name, sun elves took the Durothil name. they did remain however 1 house, it was a political ploy. By Durothil, to show how elves can stand united. Unity has become a big idea since the crowns wars... theres a sort of ying-yang aspect going on after the crown wars. They saw so much death and destruction to the point of evermeets creation that to strike at another now is abhorent. but anyway.. that bit is off topic, side note: These are Evermeetian elves, who came from Cormanthor in it's fall in something called the retreat, the courts of both places are not unlike old courts of italy or Rome. places of intruige, where family names have sway and influence. which is suprisingly organized and chaotic at the same time. (maifa style without the hitmen LOL) But my point is that wood elves from Highforest have clans, which I know less about and there is less given in general. But names have weight and clout still. there is another reference that I'll pm as not to ruin the spoiler from the Return of the Archwizard series on the matter. (best I can do source is not overly abundant on elves) Places elsewhere where elves roam such as silvery moon (50% elves I beleive) .. Old Cormanthor.. etc I would expect situations to be different. Maybe the clan name has more clout, for different reasons and traditions. My whole point is that the elves are evermeet are the reserved cast. Not All Elves are Evermeetians.. I'll even go as far as point you to a post by the player of Nolendil in the link in my screen. The Way of youth or somethign similarly called. Question hopefully answered. sorry... ranted
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Post by Vlad on Mar 6, 2010 20:04:17 GMT -5
I'll even go as far as point you to a post by the player of Nolendil in the link in my screen. The Way of youth or somethign similarly called. Entori casting Summon Vlad Le DémonEntori casts Summon Vlad Le DémonSummoned a creatureEntori's actions have shifted your alignment 5 point(s) toward Evil.I do have a small question, and yeah, it is about elves. Do elves have a naming tradition? Do they get their surnames from their mother's side or their father's side? Do all elves do it the same way, or is there a difference between sun elves and moon elves? I like to think they have many naming traditions, they are chaotic beings after all. According to the Player's Handbook: When an elf declares herself an adult, usually some time after achieving her hundredth birthday, she also selects a name. Those who knew her as a youngster may or may not continue to call her by her "child name", and she may or may not care. An elf's adult's name is a unique creation, though it may reflect the names of those she admires or the names of others in her family. In addition, she bears her family name. Family names are combinations of regular Elven words, and some elves traveling among humans translate their names into Common while others use the Elven version.Though, there are plenty of elves in the sourcebooks who do not bear any family name. And not to forget, Corellon usually appears as an androgynous elf, and can assume the form of either sex. In the elven societies, females and males are equal. It is only fair to imagine they get their surname from either the mother's or father's side. So yeah, in D&D the naming rules are not precise. Whether you give a family name or not to your character, it is not very important in my opinion. The most important is to come up with a name that sounds elven and that you like (and not with one from that silly NwN e'lven na'm'e ge'ne'rato'r). In my case, I spend too much time at coming up with a first name that I tend to skip the family name.
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Post by 828stingstingneo on Mar 7, 2010 13:06:33 GMT -5
I don't mind a long rant at all, entori. In fact, much of what you expounded upon was helpful. I just sometimes feel I need someone to translate your posts for me. Until someone made the "languages spoken" thread a while back I would have sworn you weren't a native English speaker. No offense intended; just forgive me if I misunderstand something you post. My reply comes from Evermeet Isle of the Elves, it talks about a moon elf and a sun elf starting a family breifly. See, from what that book implied, your either moon elf or Sun elf. theres no mingling. No off hand I cannot remember if they formed one house, but named their children, if a moon elf, moon flower, and if a sun elf, they took up the fathers surname. This is interesting. You make it sound as though moon/sun elf relationships are even rarer than elf/human ones. I wouldn't have expected that. I know I've been playing Elvalith a long time, but I am still trying to figure out the details in her back story. She doesn't herself remember any details about her family background, but I want to know it for myself in case it comes up or later I want to RP that something jogs a repressed memory. One of my issues is that I gave her more of a sun elf look (with golden hair) before I really understood there was a drastic difference in appearance. Does this mean it would be against source to give her a mixed moon and sun heritage with her hair manifesting a sun elf trait? I guess since her background is so far an unknown I could change her to a full sun elf, but that is not what I had in mind. What, then, is a Moonflower name and what is a Durothil name? It sounds like the Durothil name is the father's surname. Is that right? Does that mean the Moonflower name is the mother's surname? Sorry, Vlad, but I think I used the random name generator with Elvalith's. Maybe I just got lucky in that it didn't have a million apostrophes? My current thought, though, is that she probably chose her own surname, too, because she doesn't remember her true family name (which is what I am now trying to determine for the sake of creating a background story completely compatible with the campaign setting). Evermeet being elite caste fits with my current ideas for Elvalith's background. My thought is that although she was born outside of Evermeet, her parents were traveling to Evermeet with her so she could be "raised properly in elf traditions." Are there any suggestions regarding where they would likely be traveling from? I chose "The North" for her starting location token (because it sounded ambiguous enough to someone unfamiliar with the Forgotten Realms setting and it sounded wild enough for a starting druid as well), so something that would put The North on the way to Evermeet would be ideal.
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 7, 2010 16:02:35 GMT -5
I don't mind a long rant at all, entori. In fact, much of what you expounded upon was helpful. I just sometimes feel I need someone to translate your posts for me. Until someone made the "languages spoken" thread a while back I would have sworn you weren't a native English speaker. No offense intended; just forgive me if I misunderstand something you post. My reply comes from Evermeet Isle of the Elves, it talks about a moon elf and a sun elf starting a family breifly. See, from what that book implied, your either moon elf or Sun elf. theres no mingling. No off hand I cannot remember if they formed one house, but named their children, if a moon elf, moon flower, and if a sun elf, they took up the fathers surname. This is interesting. You make it sound as though moon/sun elf relationships are even rarer than elf/human ones. I wouldn't have expected that.I know I've been playing Elvalith a long time, but I am still trying to figure out the details in her back story. She doesn't herself remember any details about her family background, but I want to know it for myself in case it comes up or later I want to RP that something jogs a repressed memory. One of my issues is that I gave her more of a sun elf look (with golden hair) before I really understood there was a drastic difference in appearance. Does this mean it would be against source to give her a mixed moon and sun heritage with her hair manifesting a sun elf trait? I guess since her background is so far an unknown I could change her to a full sun elf, but that is not what I had in mind. What, then, is a Moonflower name and what is a Durothil name? It sounds like the Durothil name is the father's surname. Is that right? Does that mean the Moonflower name is the mother's surname?
Sorry, Vlad, but I think I used the random name generator with Elvalith's. Maybe I just got lucky in that it didn't have a million apostrophes? My current thought, though, is that she probably chose her own surname, too, because she doesn't remember her true family name (which is what I am now trying to determine for the sake of creating a background story completely compatible with the campaign setting). Evermeet being elite caste fits with my current ideas for Elvalith's background. My thought is that although she was born outside of Evermeet, her parents were traveling to Evermeet with her so she could be "raised properly in elf traditions." Are there any suggestions regarding where they would likely be traveling from? I chose "The North" for her starting location token (because it sounded ambiguous enough to someone unfamiliar with the Forgotten Realms setting and it sounded wild enough for a starting druid as well), so something that would put The North on the way to Evermeet would be ideal. 1) moon elf - sun elf relations: Yes such would be on Evermeet VERY rare. Evermeet's sun Elves are often the last remnants of true elven heritage, or so they think. they believe they are made in the image of corellon, they spend most of their lives studying magic, and have more affinity to such then moon elves (such as it is sun elves get +2 to intelligence - 2 con). Sun Elves Very rarely leave Evermeet and have family names Going back to the very beginning if they're noble, To the point that a moon elf that runs Evermeet, rots their socks off. Moon Elves however, are more likely to go to faerun, they are more tolerable to non elves, and stereotypically more friendly. They are often looked down upon for doing so by the "higher cast". Moon Elves however, only wield moon blades. Moon Blades are important they are swords blessed in high magic of corellon, Each blade holds part of the last weilder, and Each blade marks the subject as someone who will effect Elven history, one way or another. There are very few blades and to have one is a huge honor. The Catch is if the wielder is not worthy before corellon they die. This was of much shock to those that try to claim these blades. Many sun elves died trying to get a piece of a blade that would put them on the throne of Evermeet. 2) MoonFlower and Durothil, are family names yes, sorry for that. Moonflower is the surname of the current Queen of Evermeet. Who is a moon elf. 3) Well, while it would break source, I see no harm in it. AS on FRC we have no subclass races. If you play NWN 2, you'll noticed that Moon elves actually have fair to purple like colors for skin, and dark hair. While Golden Elves have a deep tan color and golden to brown hair. This is accurate to source. but.. Remember that the book I qouted is not source, it is a novel. But often times the novels do things that are against source for the sake of story. IT is often in good conscious IMHO ok to do so for the sake of good RP too. Especially in this sort of case. final point. I made a post in lore of the lands, about reverie. One part it explains that Elves learn in the whome from their mothers reverie. Language, walking, talk etc. and Elf pops out much like a deer does.. Gets up ready to go LOL I also apologize for my butchery of the english language.
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Post by highknight on Mar 7, 2010 16:07:03 GMT -5
Actually, before the Nimesin invasion, a whole host of Sun Elves left Evermeet due to the Moon Elven royalty.
(According to Evermeet)
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 7, 2010 17:21:06 GMT -5
Actually, before the Nimesin invasion, a whole host of Sun Elves left Evermeet due to the Moon Elven royalty. (According to Evermeet) yeah forgot that fact.. so to say they disliked the fact of having a moon elf ruler.. is an understatement
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Post by Vlad on Mar 7, 2010 22:50:54 GMT -5
Moon Elves however, are more likely to go to faerun, they are more tolerable to non elves, and stereotypically more friendly. They are often looked down upon for doing so by the "higher cast". Moon Elves however, only wield moon blades. Moon Blades are important they are swords blessed in high magic of corellon, Each blade holds part of the last weilder, and Each blade marks the subject as someone who will effect Elven history, one way or another. There are very few blades and to have one is a huge honor. The Catch is if the wielder is not worthy before corellon they die. This was of much shock to those that try to claim these blades. Many sun elves died trying to get a piece of a blade that would put them on the throne of Evermeet. Let's try to be a bit more clear and explain what their purpose is for. The Moonblades were created (with the help of Corellon himself) with the purpose of selecting a ruling family for Evermeet, not to find a single leader to unify all elves. Not only Moon elves but also Sun elves were given the trial. The Moonflowers (Moon elves) were eventually chosen as the ruling family of Evermeet. Moon elves were most likely chosen because they are open-minded enough to deal with the other races and to face the realities of a changing world. Which is necessary to keep Evermeet secure, according to the creator of the blades.
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 7, 2010 23:02:46 GMT -5
Moon Elves however, are more likely to go to faerun, they are more tolerable to non elves, and stereotypically more friendly. They are often looked down upon for doing so by the "higher cast". Moon Elves however, only wield moon blades. Moon Blades are important they are swords blessed in high magic of corellon, Each blade holds part of the last weilder, and Each blade marks the subject as someone who will effect Elven history, one way or another. There are very few blades and to have one is a huge honor. The Catch is if the wielder is not worthy before corellon they die. This was of much shock to those that try to claim these blades. Many sun elves died trying to get a piece of a blade that would put them on the throne of Evermeet. Let's try to be a bit more clear and explain what their purpose is for. The Moonblades were created (with the help of Corellon himself) with the purpose of selecting a ruling family for Evermeet, not to find a single leader to unify all elves. Not only Moon elves but also Sun elves were given the trial. The Moonflowers (Moon elves) were eventually chosen as the ruling family of Evermeet. Moon elves were most likely chosen because they are open-minded enough to deal with the other races and to face the realities of a changing world. Which is necessary to keep Evermeet secure, according to the creator of the blades. if you read the source on it the golds were allowed to try but the mage who performed the rite, specified that they would fail. Yes, my apologies ruling Evermeet, which is where the "elven court" which was the ruling of cormanthor retreated to. I personally consider this ruler the queen of elves, But, with places like everseka etc still standing, it is untrue. however, find a elf that would not bow to Queen moonflower..
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Post by Vlad on Mar 8, 2010 4:22:53 GMT -5
if you read the source on it the golds were allowed to try but the mage who performed the rite, specified that they would fail. Actually, he said their success would be "unlikely". I admit it was probably a diplomatic way to express it. There is Kymil Nimesin at the least.
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Post by 828stingstingneo on Mar 8, 2010 16:20:46 GMT -5
Sun Elves Very rarely leave Evermeet and have family names Going back to the very beginning if they're noble, To the point that a moon elf that runs Evermeet, rots their socks off. To me, this means any elves in Cormyr are also unlikely to be sun elves because they are not able or willing to deal with other races as the moon elves do. Sun elves are on the allowed race list for FRC, though, right? So, there must be some believable reasons they could be out of Evermeet, I figure. The question is, what are some possibilities? 2) MoonFlower and Durothil, are family names yes, sorry for that. Moonflower is the surname of the current Queen of Evermeet. Who is a moon elf. Okay, I think I see. Moonflower and Durothil are the surnames of a particular family or house. The Durothils were the sun elves and the Moonflowers the moon elves. Children born of the mixed elf marriage were born either full blooded moon elves and given the Moonflower name or full blooded sun elves and given the Durothil name. Yes? If so, this is probably unhelpful for Elvalith's backstory, since it sounds like this house is noble and we aren't supposed to RP nobility here. But often times the novels do things that are against source for the sake of story. Yeah, I know what you mean. I read a story about a moon elf who was supposed to inherit one of the moon blades. However, the blade rejected him. He lived for the sake of the story in spite of this: The Catch is if the wielder is not worthy before corellon they die. This was of much shock to those that try to claim these blades. Many sun elves died trying to get a piece of a blade that would put them on the throne of Evermeet. Maybe it's possible to be rejected by a blade and still be worthy of Corellon, thus the lack of death in his case? final point. I made a post in lore of the lands, about reverie. One part it explains that Elves learn in the whome from their mothers reverie. Language, walking, talk etc. and Elf pops out much like a deer does.. Gets up ready to go LOL Yeah, I remember that post. I'm not really sure how that applies, though. I have figured out by now that my elf enters this deep form of meditation in rest. (Sometimes I forget and say "sleep" just out of habit, being human in real life. ) She has the elf language widget, and can walk just as well as any PC. I'm not sure it matters for her story when she picked it all up. Though, I do figure she may not speak elven as well as a typical elf adult. I think I read somewhere that humans, and even half-elves, cannot master the nuances of elven, so it makes sense to me that even if she started learning it in the womb she wouldn't have full mastery of it if she didn't continue learning it past a certain age. I also have some experience in life with people who have come here from another country, learned a lot of our language, and also lost some of their native tongue in the process. Also, those I know who know a second language through immersion (as opposed to a class) seem more easily able to understand the language than to speak it. I try to RP this out with Elvalith. She can understand elven just fine, but she's not so comfortable speaking it. Sometimes she will take the lazy route and reply to elven conversation in common (especially when I'm too lazy to use the language widgets ). Her elven is a bit rusty from disuse, and I try to show it by using simpler speech when she does speak it. I hope it fits to RP it out this way. I also apologize for my butchery of the english language. I did notice your reply was much clearer to me than usual, so thanks for any extra effort you made on my behalf. I really do appreciate it.
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Post by trebarruna on Mar 8, 2010 18:45:43 GMT -5
About some Sun Elves in particular, House Dlardrageth. Not all are so "closed" to the other "races" heheh... Found this link that explains a bit about them and the Fey'ri result. en.allexperts.com/e/f/fe/fey'ri.htm
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 8, 2010 19:45:09 GMT -5
Sun Elves Very rarely leave Evermeet and have family names Going back to the very beginning if they're noble, To the point that a moon elf that runs Evermeet, rots their socks off. To me, this means any elves in Cormyr are also unlikely to be sun elves because they are not able or willing to deal with other races as the moon elves do. Sun elves are on the allowed race list for FRC, though, right? So, there must be some believable reasons they could be out of Evermeet, I figure. The question is, what are some possibilities?
Okay, I think I see. Moonflower and Durothil are the surnames of a particular family or house. The Durothils were the sun elves and the Moonflowers the moon elves. Children born of the mixed elf marriage were born either full blooded moon elves and given the Moonflower name or full blooded sun elves and given the Durothil name. Yes? If so, this is probably unhelpful for Elvalith's backstory, since it sounds like this house is noble and we aren't supposed to RP nobility here.Yeah, I know what you mean. I read a story about a moon elf who was supposed to inherit one of the moon blades. However, the blade rejected him. He lived for the sake of the story in spite of this: Maybe it's possible to be rejected by a blade and still be worthy of Corellon, thus the lack of death in his case?Yeah, I remember that post. I'm not really sure how that applies, though. I have figured out by now that my elf enters this deep form of meditation in rest. (Sometimes I forget and say "sleep" just out of habit, being human in real life. ) She has the elf language widget, and can walk just as well as any PC. I'm not sure it matters for her story when she picked it all up. Though, I do figure she may not speak elven as well as a typical elf adult. I think I read somewhere that humans, and even half-elves, cannot master the nuances of elven, so it makes sense to me that even if she started learning it in the womb she wouldn't have full mastery of it if she didn't continue learning it past a certain age. I also have some experience in life with people who have come here from another country, learned a lot of our language, and also lost some of their native tongue in the process. Also, those I know who know a second language through immersion (as opposed to a class) seem more easily able to understand the language than to speak it. I try to RP this out with Elvalith. She can understand elven just fine, but she's not so comfortable speaking it. Sometimes she will take the lazy route and reply to elven conversation in common (especially when I'm too lazy to use the language widgets ). Her elven is a bit rusty from disuse, and I try to show it by using simpler speech when she does speak it. I hope it fits to RP it out this way.I also apologize for my butchery of the english language. I did notice your reply was much clearer to me than usual, so thanks for any extra effort you made on my behalf. I really do appreciate it. 1) yellow[also ties in to the last red] : Sun elves are not limited to evermeet totally, AS Vlad pointed out, there is still Everseka, the Cormanthor, etc. so possible reasons could be anything your imagination can dome up with. Sun elves may be more reserved, but they live hundreds of years, (something to think of when saying that she often doesn't use her common. not that I speak another language but I imagine if I did I would not loose it in a matter of months. it is Important to remember your character has lived hundreds of years, already and may live hundreds more. There is also Necessity your character may or may not have needs to associate with humans, one of my characters a sun elf, is VERY distrustful of humans. He prefers the company of kin, (much harder to get by on FRC but it's fun to be play a reserved priest) 2) not all sun elves are noblity, name generator is fine, and you could incorporate her taking a new name to forge her own house, to create what she see's fit as a Elven clan. you could even, go as far as to say her wanderlust caught her. Nothing is impossible 3)Moonblades: I've heard of this too, this is often the last of a line who is not accepted by the blade, but it is the end of the road so the blade goes dormant until the magics are awoken by the next true spirit. I suppose your conclusion is also correct. However, that elf would feel that he actually may be betrayed by corellon. Death is not a bad thing, to be worthy to lift the blade and die means life in arvandor the fathers forest and a life of peace, dance, creation. Arvandor in most references does not scare Elves. It is a peaceful place a nirvana. To not even be worthy of death? .. hah thats some lorkh making stuff. 4) Elven language, I'll just refer back to point one and say that shes probably spoken the language for a lot longer then not. however, this is your rp and possibly quite untrue. Hope it helps Entori
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 8, 2010 19:48:52 GMT -5
About some Sun Elves in particular, House Dlardrageth. Not all are so "closed" to the other "races" heheh... Found this link that explains a bit about them and the Fey'ri result. en.allexperts.com/e/f/fe/fey'ri.htm This is from a different time period of elves, when WAR was a way of Elves. It is looked back upon as a time of great sadness and a reason why the Elven Way is looked so highly upon as well. Elminster, or khelbren spoke this in the War of archwizards series: "An elf Betray their brethren, thats unheard of" ( closely paraphrased) Also if anyone has read The Last Mythal SeriesTake close note to how the characters perceive these fey'ri. Also take close note to how the main character takes into his own change. initially, it's rather inspiring to how Elves perceive themselves.
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Post by trebarruna on Mar 8, 2010 20:33:03 GMT -5
About some Sun Elves in particular, House Dlardrageth. Not all are so "closed" to the other "races" heheh... Found this link that explains a bit about them and the Fey'ri result. en.allexperts.com/e/f/fe/fey'ri.htm This is from a different time period of elves, when WAR was a way of Elves. It is looked back upon as a time of great sadness and a reason why the Elven Way is looked so highly upon as well. Elminster, or khelbren spoke this in the War of archwizards series: "An elf Betray their brethren, thats unheard of" ( closely paraphrased) Also if anyone has read The Last Mythal SeriesTake close note to how the characters perceive these fey'ri. Also take close note to how the main character takes into his own change. initially, it's rather inspiring to how Elves perceive themselves. Very true! It's been some years since I read any FR book, but if I recall correct it was in -4700 or something like that... damn Law books who eat my brain daily... anyways; Supposedly after 1369 DR (Year of the Gauntlet) and the destruction of Hellgate Keep (Ascalahorn), and after being almost wiped out, Sarya Dlardregeth the only High Mage Dlardregeth survivor started the so called "breeding program", hunting sun elves for this purpose. One, even if vague and odd possibility to be playing an adventurer sun elf could be related with this, who knows... got kidnapped and managed to escape; has amnesia so can't really remember... somehow learn about this and wishes to work for them... besides the many other reasons for someone to start a life of adventurer. To be honest I posted the link because last week me and some folk who used to play here, out of nothing started to "remember" about those old days and this former FRC DM who once, in 2005, made a very interesting mini event where Tanarukk and Fey'ri were involved, and I just couldn't resist! Heehee.
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Post by 828stingstingneo on Mar 8, 2010 21:48:27 GMT -5
1) yellow[also ties in to the last red] : Sun elves are not limited to evermeet totally, AS Vlad pointed out, there is still Everseka, the Cormanthor, etc. so possible reasons could be anything your imagination can dome up with. Do Evereska and Cormanthor have similar attitudes toward sun and moon elf couples as Evermeet? Also, is there a reference somewhere that says what the populations of sun vs. moon elves are in each of those three places? Are the cultures pretty much one and the same, or are they three different groups with varying degrees of tradition? If there's a difference, which is the most traditional, and which is the least? Also, is there a map that could show me where these three places are in relation to other places in Faerun? I guess the one simple question I started out with kind of spiraled out of control. If there are already references elsewhere, feel free to just link them. I just haven't seen anything. Sun elves may be more reserved, but they live hundreds of years, (something to think of when saying that she often doesn't use her common. not that I speak another language but I imagine if I did I would not loose it in a matter of months. it is Important to remember your character has lived hundreds of years, already and may live hundreds more. Yeah, I understand the age differences, but I'm not sure how elven memory works. Does their longer life spans mean that if an elf lives ten times longer than a human it also takes them ten times longer to forget? A human remembers what he had for breakfast this morning but not the day before; therefore, an elf with similar retention ability remembers what he had for breakfast last tenday but not the tenday before. Would they forget at the same rate? Neither the human nor the elf remembers what he had for breakfast two days ago. 3)Moonblades: I've heard of this too, this is often the last of a line who is not accepted by the blade, but it is the end of the road so the blade goes dormant until the magics are awoken by the next true spirit. Ah, yes, now you mention it, this was the case in the story I read. He was the last of the line. I didn't know enough about moonblades to understand that significance. 4) Elven language, I'll just refer back to point one and say that shes probably spoken the language for a lot longer then not. however, this is your rp and possibly quite untrue. Yeah, I've seen several conflicting age tables for elves, so I'm not sure which to go by. I just had Elvalith at the default age NWN gives starting elves, I think 180. When I remade her, which I had to do once, I upped it to 181 because I figured she could be a year older by then. Now with the time-line moving forward and one year being skipped, she'd probably be about 183 by now, but again, I was just going with the NWN default. I just picture Elvalith at a few years older than starting adventurer age, whatever that is for elves. I also picture a time-line of what happened to her in relation to her relative human age rather than in numbers of years. For example, her early childhood was whichever years before she would have started her education or schooling or whatever elves do to pass on learning rather than up to age fiveish as it would have been for a human. Her growing up years would be school age and adolescence (which I envision her to be pretty fresh out of since starting adventurer age for humans seems to be in the late teens, depending on class). So, I imagine if she stopped speaking elven just before she would've started education she would've stopped being comfortable with it by the time she was old enough to adventure, just as children of immigrant families might forget a lot of their native language if their parents stop speaking their homeland tongue once the children are in school so the kids can pick up the new country's language more easily.
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Post by kaltorac on Mar 8, 2010 22:04:29 GMT -5
Many elves, including Sun elves have a propensity for wander lust around their time of maturity. This is generally sufficient to explain the presence of any Sun elves outside of Evermeet and Evereska IMO. They wander, explore and generally hone their knowledge of the greater world in this time. The main difference would be that Sun Elves will likely return "home" sooner than most. It's a moot point within FRC and most other PWs actual timelines and calendar progressions though as most elves would wander for a decade or two.
As for elven memories ... reverie is the key to them. Elves can sleep by choice if they wish and sometimes do when gravely ill. Reverie is simply a higher resting state akin to a trance wherein elves recommit past events to memory. It's their constant replaying of prior events during reverie that makes the images retain their clarity in later years. It's not a random event either as elves pick and choose significant events before each reverie to further embed in their minds.
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