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Post by arkaronmythrumbar on Jan 25, 2021 6:50:49 GMT -5
Hallo community and DM team I have a question about the legitimacy of knowledge on the server regarding to skilling Lore points  . how is it Role played on the server, as a wizard you spend a lot of time in studying before you start your adventuring. In the early stage of your training if you being tutored of a Master wizard, learning the basics of magic before you set out to adventure. adventuring age varies of course depending on your role play and character but for arguments sake lets say 18 is the age you leave your master and start traveling to further your knowledge beyond that of the basics. - Enchanting lesser magical items are part of a wizards training.
- Scribing scrolls
- Some has alchemy training
- Basic lore on magical beasts within your geographical area, and mythical creatures you can't find but are taught about like ''dragons'' or ''Beholders'' ( how much knowledge would one have. and how would that be determined by your Lore points, the first 10 points ?) ((first 10 points of lore, being your intelligence modifier ''4'' and maxing out the 4 skill points in lore so that's normally only 8 points lvl 1))
- And of course spellcasting
- Languages ((in our case with +4 int modfier)) you have learned about 5 languages, in a span on age of 5 to 18. so in 13 years you have learned 5 languages.
In my own case. my Role play has started my character starting adventuring at the age of 28 because he has spend additionally 10 years focusing in research and study of the ancient empire of Netheril. (( so now we enter Role play Lore and not you specific Lore skill points))
I personally like to restrain and have tried very hard ''not'' to be a know it all character, even though as a wizard and with an intelligence over the 20 stats ((our world genius)) they have a vast learning capability compared to others. My back ground story ((will be posted this week)) is basically that he is specialized in three major subjects, cause even to a genius endless knowledge is impossible, and even within their fields they are still limited and don't know everything. - His major research fields is ancient Netheril Empire. this is his main research field when talking of Lore points having spend 10 years on this.
- His secondary research field is transmutation magic, along with enchantment and necromancy. as he focused his magical training with this school ((perhaps his go under spellcraft skill)) i will though argue that a certain amount of Lore points go under these subjects as you study how an undead work so you know how to destroy it as an example.
- Enchanting/creating magical items, as it is part of his background story coming from a land of Magic that specializes in such.
Over all my question can be cooked down to, How do the community and the Dm's view Lore skill points. Do you split your Lore points in to groups and say. I have 30 skill points in Lore.. so I would say I'm an expert in 3 areas.. and then choose those 3 areas. I personally try and refrain from speaking up when I actually know the answer due to OOC information available about the forgotten realms. and say My character has never studied this field.. it doesn't matter how many points i have in Lore he wouldn't know anything about it.How does the DM's view this? How does the community view this? in events as well, I play PnP and DM PnP. And beforehand in the game we are to choose what we have ''focused on'' before we start adventure. And the DM will increase the DC needed to know something. when its a subject he character never touched in his background story. sometimes the information is just ''you know nothing of the subject but you have a vague idea that this library might have answers to the answer you seek'' Looking forward to having a constructive discussion about this subject with you all Arkaron Mythrumbar |
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Post by appleseedy on Jan 25, 2021 7:23:58 GMT -5
just to give n example. My bard has 45 ish lore does that mean i am a well researched scholar?
No he's knows a little bit about everything based on hearsay and drunken tales. in many way I think you can chose how you RP your skills. Then there is IC lore than the character might know about creatures and places they have travelled in game. So my bard knows pretty much everything that is happening in game and i justify this by having high lore, been around in game for 6 years and spends time talking to people.
My low int priestess on the other hand with 0 lore doesnt know doesnt care and more importantly, doesnt pretend to know unless were talking about things she has seen, i dont pretend she studies things and she gets things deliberately wrong
Long as you some idea of what and why you know stuff your doing great
apples
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Post by Ruin on Jan 25, 2021 9:34:43 GMT -5
When it comes to magic - I like to stick to spellcraft. Spellcraft seems to be a better approach to all around magic in the Arcane/Divine and I noticed many more DMs use spellcraft for wizards to use in terms of anything 'magic' related. When it comes to knowledge - Lore Lore, I have seen other servers, split up into multiple groups via 'knowledge' skill - Arcane , Geographical, Nature, blah blah.. with other subjects. I really don't -fully- agree with it and it sorta mucks things up because suddenly the skill of Lore becomes spread thin like butter. (Tabletop would be better for the knowledge skill, broken up and explained below.) For the 3.5 knowledge on the d20.org you see a check like this.. Check
Answering a question within your field of study has a DC of 10 (for really easy questions), 15 (for basic questions), or 20 to 30 (for really tough questions).
I will modify this depending on level range. That's how I roll..  What I have learned DMng in the past and Table Top is Lore is a skill that I wish was used more, even broken up, but not used enough. Lore is interconnected however- Learn geography, but within geography is local.. so there is going to be some local lore involved... and nature involved. Ahh I know maps here and the names of this forest and this forest - Yay Geography! Well.. nature skill kicks in, Animals and beasts are in this forest and this. This town has these nobles and cultures . It's all interconnected. Obviously higher rolls are involved to get detailed, but.. During an adventurer's life the character will -not- know everything because there isn't enough times in your character's adventuring career to roll lore for everything.
As I take adventurers for a stroll I do the normal check (10,15,20-30) above and just say your wizard caught a glimpse of this lore during their study. I believe for your own character you are doing a good job of giving him something distinguishable as a wizard. This will give DMs something to regard when considering your character's background. Just remember to remind them once in awhile as I don't know everything about everyone's character. This is not table top. My character Runa was a farmgirl back in the day now Oghmanyte Priestess. She has some farming knowledge and has been used at times during her time on FRC. However, it's just a little extra tidbit to distinguish her. I don't think any rolls have been used. It's just something that gives DMs something to bounce off of. I would use your character's Lore expertise and such in a way to distinguish your character more, over than just trying to split it up into Lore packets. We humans gotta find someways to stand out compared to those 'other' beings of wings, pointy ear tips, stout and hindo smoke. Lastly, in table top games, sometimes the broken up knowledge skill is better used because adventurers go ALL over Faerun so it's a little more acceptable to have the knowledge/lore skill broken up. In FRC characters are proverbially imprisoned within the Kingdom and so now a general Lore skill is better to use as no one needs to have immediate knowledge of a little town called Brost just north of the Wealdath forest (I am sure there can be a life saving adventure to rebuttal this). DMs will all have different approaches to rolling stats with their own DC measures regarding many skills. But I used the KISS method.. Keep It Simple Smartypants ~ Ruin |
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Post by arkaronmythrumbar on Jan 25, 2021 9:39:16 GMT -5
@appleseedy That is ''if you ask me'' to be expected of the Bard class, a little knowledge about everything, they are known as the jacks of all trades after all  . But not so much knowledge that he can go into deep specifics. due to the fact that he travels the world and listen to stories and that's how he gains his knowledge. And I'm not trying to tell how people should play their lore/knowledge, I was interested in how people do it, as to improve my own RP if there was someone who has a specific system on how to divide your skills in to lore areas. As I see it there are three specifics to the knowledge/Lore - RP/class gained information ((part of your story, like mine about spending years researching a specific subject)) - Lore skill placed ((that's of course RP as well but using the skills to say These areas are the ones I specialized in)) and as you stated, your bard ''little about everything'' due to your high Lore - then there is experience gained knowledge. ((spending time on the server learning things through travels and conversations)) My biggest concern is how ever.. unless you have those GOD like intelligence you wouldn't be able to remember all of it. I know its a fantasy game and we can stretch what is possible here. (( like no one in the real world would be able to survive a massive blow with a 250 kg warhammer from a giant )) So a super intelligent person would be able to keep all that information in his head without ''forgetting'' anything. Real life I don't consider my self a stupid person, taken high level of mathematics and physics as part of my job, but if you asked me today to do hydraulics calculations, I think I would be hard pressured to remember how to do that even though I got a high grade in it and spend good amount of a year to study it. so even though I can give a general description of how to do it, I properly wouldn't be able to sit down and do long calculations about it. |
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Post by arkaronmythrumbar on Jan 25, 2021 9:58:31 GMT -5
@dm Ruin I whole heartily agree with what you are saying. And I like the idea of remind the DM's what your characters area of specialization. I think I'll take that to heart when I attend a DM event to remind the DM where in my fields of study lies, when asked to do a Lore check. As a wizard I get really fast, really high, Lore. I just don't like the idea of a good lore Roll will give me to much information about an area that he may never have studied  . So if that helps the DM, to better determine how much to increase the DC, or make a better call on what information I would get out of the Roll, I'll do that for sure. And then use the lack of knowledge as an excuse to go spend time in game to enhance my knowledge about that specific area and journal it all down. Thanks Arkaron |
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Post by DOT on Jan 25, 2021 13:10:10 GMT -5
With respect to lore, I tend to associate it with either their class or their race or previous work background.
Example: An elf with high lore is likely to know about the crown wars or at least a little bit about them. Whereas a hin with high lore probably wouldn’t.
Example: A priest of Valkur, probably knows a lot about shipbuilding, sailing, weather patterns types of sea animals, but probably doesn’t know a thing about mining ore.
Go with what works for your character, just rule of thumb is have fun but not at the expense of others.
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Post by Ruin on Jan 25, 2021 13:19:45 GMT -5
Usually if I am having someone roll lore its really based on a specific set of information or something that will progress in the adventure quest.
If my DC of 15 is to be rolled.. and someone rolls a 45.. I am not going to say they know a book full of knowledge on a certain subject that represents the course of the quest. It just means they had plenty of know-how to figure out what was needed to 'pass' the pop quiz. :3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 17:56:41 GMT -5
just to give n example. My bard has 45 ish lore does that mean i am a well researched scholar? No he's knows a little bit about everything based on hearsay and drunken tales. in many way I think you can chose how you RP your skills. Then there is IC lore than the character might know about creatures and places they have travelled in game. So my bard knows pretty much everything that is happening in game and i justify this by having high lore, been around in game for 6 years and spends time talking to people. My low int priestess on the other hand with 0 lore doesnt know doesnt care and more importantly, doesnt pretend to know unless were talking about things she has seen, i dont pretend she studies things and she gets things deliberately wrong Long as you some idea of what and why you know stuff your doing great apples I agree this is one way to do it, and is a very traditional "bard". It isnt the only way though and bards are/can be played many ways. For instance, my bard is actually a well researched scholar who heads an institution of bardic and arcane lore. Your bard is what you make him. |
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Post by styxxbone1 on Jan 25, 2021 19:57:57 GMT -5
Bah! Furin is a self taught expert on all things Elfish, Witch-ish and their mutualistic relationships with nesting trees, elfish fleas and pixie mites. Also the strange relationship between them and the various and villainous fey mutants.
The strangest mutualistic elfish relationship has to do with the single bearded elf who has to ferti-mal-ise ALL of the elf eggs in the tree nests. He somehow visits all of the nests on the stroke of midnight on Midwinter's eve.
He has to prepare by doing the Elf workout...
styxx
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. how is it Role played on the server, as a wizard you spend a lot of time in studying before you start your adventuring.
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. So if that helps the DM, to better determine how much to increase the DC, or make a better call on what information I would get out of the Roll, I'll do that for sure.
