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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 31, 2010 20:36:38 GMT -5
One thing I've come across in reading upon cormyr more and more. is how political the realm is, from cities severing and coming back in. To noble houses plotting for bigger peices of the pie from the crown, etc.
This I consider could be turned into Great RP.
While FRC has disallowed the creation of noble characters.
I've some idea's DM's willing.
Pc's could be servants of noble characters? Or even DM sponsered to play heirs or heiresses, to such Nobles, could even get into the fashionable parties and honor etc.
Even hunts between multiple houses, (MAlar Be praised)
... these are just random thoughts for a new aspect for FRC that could provide quite a controversial and exciting roleplay atmosphere, I'm currently wondering the DM, thoughts and Player thoughts.
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Post by Grozer on Mar 31, 2010 21:56:52 GMT -5
Some of us have been advocating these themes for a long while. Clearly not all nobles within Cormyrian's borders are "in love" with the Crown. Think about it, a noble's status is predicated on the level of power and influence they have and what would be more enticing than have the ultimate influence in being able to shape the actions of the ruling family. That greed and lust can breed very interesting actions, in that depending on how dedicated a noble might be they may resort to tactics some might suggest are unthinkable. Some may be happy with a level of influence and power behind the scenes or using more underhanded tactics to gain advantage.
As an example... since Redmist is no more and most of that RP is long past I don't believe I am giving anything away but the original revolution and succession was initiated by noble families unhappy with being under the thumb of the Crown. They "seeded" the unrest and enlisted those of questionable background to help grow the dissension. I wont reveal names but I am sure most will make their own assumptions. Of course most of this was NEVER learned IC so I suggest it not be used in RP the historical events but indeed the whole struggle emerged from this very idea.
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 31, 2010 22:58:48 GMT -5
Some of us have been advocating these themes for a long while. Clearly not all nobles within Cormyrian's borders are "in love" with the Crown. Think about it, a noble's status is predicated on the level of power and influence they have and what would be more enticing than have the ultimate influence in being able to shape the actions of the ruling family. That greed and lust can breed very interesting actions, in that depending on how dedicated a noble might be they may resort to tactics some might suggest are unthinkable. Some may be happy with a level of influence and power behind the scenes or using more underhanded tactics to gain advantage. As an example... since Redmist is no more and most of that RP is long past I don't believe I am giving anything away but the original revolution and succession was initiated by noble families unhappy with being under the thumb of the Crown. They "seeded" the unrest and enlisted those of questionable background to help grow the dissension. I wont reveal names but I am sure most will make their own assumptions. Of course most of this was NEVER learned IC so I suggest it not be used in RP the historical events but indeed the whole struggle emerged from this very idea. it was and continues to inspire RP.. Metagaming aside, and unrelated to the specific instances which you bring up grozer. I'd even like to see some players being broung into the service of house X, and others of house Y.. sort of politcal grabbing, maybe even petitioning the crown for more land against each other, minor skirmishes.. there could be alot done. the fact that Redmist has now opened, and closed.. more or less, however the fact that it did happen and it's history, not to mention the ripples it continues to have is a great story. Especially when you learn more, even a little you see how much intracacy has gone on and went on. If this could be applied to places such as marsember and arabel and other things. I think it would give many of the adventuring folk more identy then "we're Adventurers". Especially why I would love to see redwizards that exist to see warwizards that exist. (though I would prefer the warwizards be seperate from a certain guild as I maintain their motives under the royal mage are a bit different then the pdk). I really think this can be and interesting and GREAT storyline, that many could be involved in. Server wide. especially with the multitude of factions. rather then.. LETS go kill the lich .. AGAIN! Just want to thank you grozer for chiming in, your insight brings alot to the conversation in this circumstance. |
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Post by Munroe on Mar 31, 2010 23:16:58 GMT -5
rather then.. LETS go kill the lich .. AGAIN! Well if they'd DONE IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME they wouldn't have that problem. :-P |
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Post by EDM Entori on Mar 31, 2010 23:22:03 GMT -5
rather then.. LETS go kill the lich .. AGAIN! Well if they'd DONE IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME they wouldn't have that problem. :-P ROFL |
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Post by Kelandros Armelis on Mar 31, 2010 23:34:47 GMT -5
That´s basicly what my red knight follower does, he gets involved in politics of the server and does try to represent his church in this (talking about church reputation and such). He already is some sort of politician because he does represent certain aspects of groups and is interacting with them.
I have said this before but i stress this again, get involved in server politics, it makes the RP way more interesting.
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Post by Grozer on Apr 1, 2010 0:30:49 GMT -5
I'd even like to see some players being broung into the service of house X, and others of house Y.. sort of politcal grabbing, maybe even petitioning the crown for more land against each other, minor skirmishes.. there could be alot done. Great ideas however this type of RP/plotting will require DM involvement in that no matter how well any one person can RP their role in the politics and maneuvering, these noble families have to be represented and played out from their motivations point of view. Admittedly its a daunting task to do this well. If this could be applied to places such as marsember and arabel and other things. I think it would give many of the adventuring folk more identy then "we're Adventurers". Marsember is great example. From source material one of the most powerful families that owns many businesses there is linked with persistent rumors of supporting slaving operations. Source also suggests officers of the Crown in Marsember are corrupt. |
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Post by highknight on Apr 1, 2010 0:57:13 GMT -5
(though I would prefer the warwizards be seperate from a certain guild as I maintain their motives under the royal mage are a bit different then the pdk). The War Wizards are separate from the RCMH. They have been for some time.  |
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Post by Lady Frost on Apr 1, 2010 4:23:26 GMT -5
*eyes Grozer*
I don't think Grozer has anymore comments on this topic...
*drags Grozer off the stage*
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Post by The Flying Ve on Apr 1, 2010 7:28:24 GMT -5
Grozer, stop telling everyone my plans  Wait, there's no way you could...ah, ****, why's everybody doing the same thing? ;D OK, the above bluff check aside, the main problem I see is that with politics, you need DMs. Moreover, you need DMs who're willing to dedicate time to something as complex as politics. I've run political plots in PnP on- and offline and I can say this: it's a pain. Coordinating them between multiple DMs so there're no contradictions would probably blow my mind. Not saying it's a bad idea and it would be very very awesome, but it's a hell of a lot of work if you want to do it right. Edit: I can just pop out what I did here anyway, if it helps. The sys ain't DnD and the players don't play here. |
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Post by Grozer on Apr 1, 2010 7:45:27 GMT -5
*eyes Grozer* I don't think Grozer has anymore comments on this topic... *drags Grozer off the stage* Heh ok but I am not saying anything not already known. I think most folks here do a good job of researching the Cormyr setting. The trick is how much of this is known in character and since the source is Volo's Guide my guess is its close to common knowledge, at least rumor wise. Besides now that Ranan is a good guy, he needs to have some target for his heroics. In any case the real reason I mentioned these things is because they arent reflected well in our setting. Most seem to think Cormyr is a lawful good kingdom and everyone is one big happy family in a constant state of revel.OK so I am exaggerating a little.... now where am I being dragged? |
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Post by iangallowglas on Apr 1, 2010 8:12:45 GMT -5
All the good guys know that Marsember is a cesspool and the nobles are corrupt.....they let Alzarin Academy be built after all, didn't they ;D
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Post by The Flying Ve on Apr 1, 2010 9:13:04 GMT -5
Heh ok but I am not saying anything not already known. I think most folks here do a good job of researching the Cormyr setting. The trick is how much of this is known in characterAnd that is the problem. You can't know "family/house X is supportive of that" without talking to NPCs who would know and, unfortunately, some of us never are privy to that info, so essentially, chars who would thrive on intrigue are nerfed into PvP, while we watch others waste their archwizard contacts to pry into some PC's business on nothing more than a hunch(such a situation was where our group collectively thought: "WTH is this?" and simply left). |
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Post by 828stingstingneo on Apr 1, 2010 10:15:00 GMT -5
I think politically oriented plots could be as simple or as complex as you like. Maybe just start with a simple "member of house X" hires a party of adventurers to assassinate "member of house Y" plot. Fine if that's as far as it goes, but if people get into it, continue to focus on the rivalry between those houses. Plot twists and more houses could be added later if lots of players are getting involved and the DMs see fit to make it more complicated. One simple way to do it might be to have one DM in charge of each house, sort of a DM vs. DM situation where they try to rally PCs to their house's side. If a few of the DMs are really interested in the political side of Cormyr, it might be a fun way to go for all around.
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Post by dirtysloth on Apr 1, 2010 15:57:12 GMT -5
even a simple delivery for a political party could become a great adventure
it would be nice to be hired on to a house
make it assumed if you are not out you are working at the house
and your employer may call on you at any time while you walk the streets
also if your employer requires you wear a certain garb it could lead to arguments between workers from other houses or new friendships
of course working for a prominent figure could lead to more kidnappings or even death as an example to your employer
sounds like fun when do we start
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Post by lakhena on Apr 1, 2010 19:35:44 GMT -5
I would love to see some more politics and political rp available to players. While I like the setting and I believe the NPCs and scripted quests are well done, I'm having a hard time getting invested in the world aside from being an adventurer type seeking out and killing monsters. Sure, I try to get involved in character development through interaction with other pcs, but it would just be a richer experience to see some politics (even from other players' PCs).
You can do this in a variety of ways, from opening up political positions, minor or otherwise, to pcs... or allowing pcs to become aides, assistances, etc of nobles, civil servants, politicians, or the military. Another way is to have people earn citizenship in Cormyr somehow, with benefits for being citizens. Etc.
Of course, it could just be that I haven't been around enough... .or I'm just not hanging out in the right places, with the right people. Or that I'm clueless. Heh. You never know.
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Post by The Flying Ve on Apr 2, 2010 4:42:12 GMT -5
A fleeting thought(that may be a load of work) : If someone takes the time to do a write-up of the noble houses/families in Cormyr, put in one post what is commonly known about them, and what is known of their general political stance. f.ex. House GriffonbeaterCommon knowledge: The duke is well loved by his vassals, the three eligable offspring are yet unwed and there was a big feast last year to celebrate a hunt etc. Political stance: Supports agricultural reforms, reportedly allied with houses Snorcack and Pie-eater and so forth Nothing really en-detail is needed, just something to get a general feel of the house. Secret plots and so, as sometimes listed in DnD sourcebooks, well, they're secret for a reason. No reason to put them into something like this  |
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Post by Lady Frost on Apr 2, 2010 13:33:27 GMT -5
A fleeting thought(that may be a load of work) : If someone takes the time to do a write-up of the noble houses/families in Cormyr, put in one post what is commonly known about them, and what is known of their general political stance. f.ex. House GriffonbeaterCommon knowledge: The duke is well loved by his vassals, the three eligable offspring are yet unwed and there was a big feast last year to celebrate a hunt etc. Political stance: Supports agricultural reforms, reportedly allied with houses Snorcack and Pie-eater and so forth Nothing really en-detail is needed, just something to get a general feel of the house. Secret plots and so, as sometimes listed in DnD sourcebooks, well, they're secret for a reason. No reason to put them into something like this There are actually a few noble houses and important political figures that I'd like to know what is common knowledge about them. Zoe has turned very political in the past few months and something like what is above would help a lot. |
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Post by highknight on Apr 2, 2010 18:12:36 GMT -5
A fleeting thought(that may be a load of work) : If someone takes the time to do a write-up of the noble houses/families in Cormyr, put in one post what is commonly known about them, and what is known of their general political stance. f.ex. House GriffonbeaterCommon knowledge: The duke is well loved by his vassals, the three eligable offspring are yet unwed and there was a big feast last year to celebrate a hunt etc. Political stance: Supports agricultural reforms, reportedly allied with houses Snorcack and Pie-eater and so forth Nothing really en-detail is needed, just something to get a general feel of the house. Secret plots and so, as sometimes listed in DnD sourcebooks, well, they're secret for a reason. No reason to put them into something like this There are actually a few noble houses and important political figures that I'd like to know what is common knowledge about them. Zoe has turned very political in the past few months and something like what is above would help a lot. *gets ideas* Let me get back to you on that. |
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Post by EDM Entori on Apr 2, 2010 19:37:08 GMT -5
There are actually a few noble houses and important political figures that I'd like to know what is common knowledge about them. Zoe has turned very political in the past few months and something like what is above would help a lot. *gets ideas* Let me get back to you on that. Couple of nobles off the top of my head: CrownSilver bleth dracohorn wyvernspurs |
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Post by The Flying Ve on Apr 3, 2010 2:50:11 GMT -5
A fleeting thought(that may be a load of work) : If someone takes the time to do a write-up of the noble houses/families in Cormyr, put in one post what is commonly known about them, and what is known of their general political stance. f.ex. House GriffonbeaterCommon knowledge: The duke is well loved by his vassals, the three eligable offspring are yet unwed and there was a big feast last year to celebrate a hunt etc. Political stance: Supports agricultural reforms, reportedly allied with houses Snorcack and Pie-eater and so forth Nothing really en-detail is needed, just something to get a general feel of the house. Secret plots and so, as sometimes listed in DnD sourcebooks, well, they're secret for a reason. No reason to put them into something like this There are actually a few noble houses and important political figures that I'd like to know what is common knowledge about them. Zoe has turned very political in the past few months and something like what is above would help a lot. Not just Zoe (And I'm not voting her for mayor! ) |
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Post by McGuffin on Apr 6, 2010 14:19:49 GMT -5
Herman Hillman
Vera Gudwerks
Monte Phellon
Jersey Illance
Chris Zamshnell
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