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Post by catmage on Dec 30, 2009 16:31:58 GMT -5
I just wished to know, since we're jumping past the Year of Rogue Dragons straight to the Year og Lightning Storms, if Sammaster's Rage still occured? This would be important for several characters, notably the handful of people with ten levels or more in the Dragon Disciple prestige class, anyone with a pseudodragon or Faerie dragon familiar, and potnetially others.
If Sammaster's Rage occured, forcing each of the dragonblooded characters to go mad for the year and begin attacking friends, loved ones, and the like, should we come up with reasons to explain where we've been, whether we find a way to isolate ourselves, get wizards or other spell casters to magically imprison them, or decide to simply remain and attack until we're killed?
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Post by Rook on Dec 30, 2009 17:21:37 GMT -5
I believe a narrative is being prepared by a few of the DMs to fill in some details and events for the year we jump over (1373 by Dale Reckoning, Year of Rogue Dragons). I believe that will answer your question but I'm not working on it so I can't say for certain.
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Post by EDM Neo on Dec 30, 2009 21:17:19 GMT -5
That zany Ailren, always looking for an excuse to attack friends, loved ones, and the like.
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Post by soulfien on Dec 30, 2009 21:40:17 GMT -5
And people were afraid of Glenduil's hawk?!
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 30, 2009 22:35:31 GMT -5
Its not just that zanny Ailren thats looking towards biting at a friends neck. I can only imagine Sharteel with her barbarian rage ability; the fun that could ensue. The year is being skipped though   If it helps the writers, I think there is a spell that covers a certain portion of area to protect dragon beings from the madness, effectively blocking out the effects I dont think such a focused task is nessecary, the whole writing bit. The lot of we DD's that are affected by this on FRC is ... 4 people - not including a casters familiar, but if the caster wanted to come up with something to handle that then thats their perogative I guess. I personally had already planned to roleplay Sharteel having been placed under an Imprisonment spell by Kethoth deep within the bowls of an abode of hers, in secret, since she trusts him. I'd prefer her planar traveling to the Elemental Plane of Fire but I think that'd be pushing it, even for an epic  As a DD that would be affected by this, it'll be interesting to coordinate amongst friends about hypothetically being gone for a year Still though, a foundation given to us by the DM team would be nice; regarding how it could be handled. |
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Post by z1gg3h on Dec 30, 2009 23:16:32 GMT -5
Solution. Have Confusion cast on anyone with RDD levels.
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Post by catmage on Dec 31, 2009 1:40:01 GMT -5
I simply figured Ailren would travel to Unther in order to present himself as a maddened guard for areas of Tiamat's high temple where he wouldn't risk murdering loyal followers of the Dragon Queen, unless he can get lucky enough for Tiamat to take him to her domain in the Dragon Eyrie, like she did with several true dragon followers during the Dracorage.
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 8:12:38 GMT -5
Is a maddened guard position also a PRC class, out of simply curiosity?
I wonder what other 10+ DD's on FRC were considering?
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Post by JCrux on Dec 31, 2009 9:32:01 GMT -5
I plan to have Rastan imprisoned for the year in a safe, secure location, though nothing as exotic as an imprisonment spell. Also, I don't think players of DDs have to miss out on the madness if they don't want to. Just gather some friends together and stage a "flashback" to RP what happened in the year we passed over. |
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 9:58:47 GMT -5
I plan to have Rastan imprisoned for the year in a safe, secure location, though nothing as exotic as an imprisonment spell. Also, I don't think players of DDs have to miss out on the madness if they don't want to. Just gather some friends together and stage a "flashback" to RP what happened in the year we passed over. I'd do that if I were allowed to roleplay such a scene in Sharteels homeland, because if that hypothetical path for the character would be taken, she'd be spending most of her time back 'home' to terrorize it for revenge, and then Imprisoned over a sacred site for her that she's told none about, to date; after her reign of terror And of course it'd need to be an imprisonment spell! Its high quality, like Sharteel. Can you imagine trying to date Sharteel, how expensive her maintenance is? (there are rare few that can speak from experience) If she were shackled and chained through normal means, she'd require the cells to be gilded and much of her hoard be placed near her, as well as several other nessecities. Her bounds would need to be made to not harm her wrists or legs or wings either, she'd also need to be gaged due to her spells, and imagine trying to FEED a barbarian/epic DD under the dracorage? Kethoth: *Walks up and just tosses the halfling at sharteel's head* LOL Yeah its those nitpicky details I'd have to consider for the character, so I thought an Imprisonment spell was easier on my back Another twisted course considered was to get Kethoth to use dominate monster on her for as long as possible, but considering their enemies, both PC and NPC, it'd be a huge risk because once the bound is broken...goodbye Appraiser |
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Post by iangallowglas on Dec 31, 2009 10:01:47 GMT -5
Seamus didn't have 10 levels of RDD when the new year started. So I'm assuming that since were going forward one year at a time in RL, this would have started one year ago in RL time. Therefore, he either wouldn't be effected because he wasn't a Dragon yet and time proceeded like it did, or he would have fought the change into a full DD for longer than he actually did to avoid the madness.
Seamus started the PRC willingly before he met Darina, but then fought the change for a few months game time and RL time (and levels) once he fell in love with her and realized she was more than a little creeped out by him turning into a Dragon. He did this in the hope she would eventually get used to him and the way he was changing, which she eventually did. I had the intent of him abandoning the class completely to save their relationship, but through their IC RP (we didn't talk about it OOC, or come up with some OOC agreement, we just let it all play out IC) it turned out she learned to accept his changes and he got the girl, so it wasn't necessary. Therefore, I would assume that he would have continued to fight the change for even longer to avoid the madness he saw occurring in dragons and other DD's. That, or she locked him in a closet. ;D
If the above isn't possible, then I think Darina would have researched a way to block the madness.
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 10:08:16 GMT -5
Since the dragon apotheosis (and any other DD level), is an active pursuit, you wouldn't even have to fight the change, you could just make your character simply not pursue his dragon blood for however long you wish
You could try to talk to Seamus' superiors at establishing that dracorage-spell-block (with Darinas help), over his compound, and stick Seamus in there while slaving over paperwork for a year.
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 10:12:06 GMT -5
Or polishing boots, spiffing up swords, giving hair cuts to the Ornrion (oh, oops), and noob chores
I once envisoned the Crown sanctioning a safehaven for the dragonkin (if they simply didnt exile them out), and stuffing them all in there. Sort of like a concentration camp. I would have made Sharteel be bunk budies with Rastan so she could keep kicking him 'innocently' during her sleep ;D
then I saddly remembered the year was skipped over.
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Post by Vortex on Dec 31, 2009 10:56:18 GMT -5
*Kethoth researched and invents an epic charm/domination type of enchantment creating a barrier around Sharteels mind that forces outside influences to bounce off. It also creates lucidity, forcing her to be less tempremental! Recasts every week* ;D
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Post by Thrym on Dec 31, 2009 12:30:06 GMT -5
 Protection from Evil. |
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Post by soulfien on Dec 31, 2009 13:13:16 GMT -5
Seriously doubt you can use source PnP lvl 1 spell protection from evil to ward off something as strong as the dracorage.
Remember, protection from evil is not a mind ward spell outside of NeverwinterNights.
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Post by Thrym on Dec 31, 2009 13:19:37 GMT -5
Seriously doubt you can use source PnP lvl 1 spell protection from evil to ward off something as strong as the dracorage. Remember, protection from evil is not a mind ward spell outside of NeverwinterNights. Note the 'Compulsion' part. Also, that's the worst answer possible. If you make an epic spell supposed to change your campaign setting and bother to stat it out, you should at least make sure it works, especially if you are a WotC designer who is paid for that. Also, it's much better this way because it's just so damn hilarious. Thirteen epic wizards cast a spell that kills them all to power it, no resurrection possible! And then, it gets countered by a piddly cantrip: Epic Fail! |
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 13:51:46 GMT -5
There's a cantrip called Epic Fail? Thrym, could you please post the description of the Dracorage Mythal up, or anyone else? Would be appreciated  |
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Post by EDM Neo on Dec 31, 2009 14:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Dec 31, 2009 14:52:53 GMT -5
Only the second part (keeping out an invasive life force) works against any alignment. Does the Dracorage Mythal have the evil descriptor?
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Post by EDM Neo on Dec 31, 2009 14:56:03 GMT -5
Sorry, I should have posted the entire thing so that it'd be more clear.
Unless I'm misreading that, it seems to me that, in context, it meant "second effect" as referring to that entire paragraph.
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Dec 31, 2009 15:57:56 GMT -5
Huh. Yeah, that looks like it's the whole paragraph. Wow. That's a good solution. I guess all the RDDs are going to have a belly full of PfE potion this year... last year?
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Post by soulfien on Dec 31, 2009 16:01:34 GMT -5
umm you're not reading the whole sentence...
It says it protects against effects that grant the caster "ongoing control" over the subject.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing by comparing a behavior modification to control. They are two different things in my mind.
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 16:01:46 GMT -5
So now we 10 level DD's just need to come up with a way of casting a PfE that'll last 12,614,400 mins to last 1373 DR - 1374 DR Well, Sharteel can cast it 8 times that lasts 11 minutes a piece ... So even if a mind ward would work, I'm under the impression one would eventually succumb to the dracorage? |
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Post by soulfien on Dec 31, 2009 16:12:21 GMT -5
Also, aren't epic spells supposed to be hard to resist? Just as this plague cannot be easily cured by a Cure Disease spell?
I highly doubt a spell of Epic Proportions could be held at bay by a simple lvl 1 spell that is not full mental security.
Or maybe I've just been a PnP DM too long. I wouldn't allow it. Not unless the dragon had a full mind blank spell which actually does blank out your mind to protect from scrying, mental attacks and effects of every possible nature.
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Post by catmage on Dec 31, 2009 16:16:18 GMT -5
Epic spells can not be suppressed by any non-epic spell. Even if we assume that applies only to the mythal and not it's effects, Protection from Alignment would only stop the active excerise of control. The Dracorage effect of causing wisdom damage is not active control, and even if it were, the moment that protection fails, de it dispelling, accidentally letting it lapse, what ever, the full force of the mythal's power that was in effect but not active hits.
There is a level 4 spell for wizard/sorcerers and clerics called Abate Dracorage, but it doesn't get rediscovered until the Rage is well progressed.
Lastly, it is stated that the Dracorage Mythal is forgotten in the novels, and at the very least heavily implied in the source book Dragons of Faerun. Why would people think that the periodic bout of madness that has been recurring in dragonkind since before human recorded history, so long ago that even the elf records on it are lost, could be stopped by a level one spell?
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Post by soulfien on Dec 31, 2009 16:18:40 GMT -5
Thank you, Catmage!
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Post by easternenterprise on Dec 31, 2009 16:23:41 GMT -5
Epic spells can not be suppressed by any non-epic spell. Even if we assume that applies only to the mythal and not it's effects, Protection from Alignment would only stop the active excerise of control. The Dracorage effect of causing wisdom damage is not active control, and even if it were, the moment that protection fails, de it dispelling, accidentally letting it lapse, what ever, the full force of the mythal's power that was in effect but not active hits. There is a level 4 spell for wizard/sorcerers and clerics called Abate Dracorage, but it doesn't get rediscovered until the Rage is well progressed. Lastly, it is stated that the Dracorage Mythal is forgotten in the novels, and at the very least heavily implied in the source book Dragons of Faerun. Why would people think that the periodic bout of madness that has been recurring in dragonkind since before human recorded history, so long ago that even the elf records on it are lost, could be stopped by a level one spell? Well said ;D |
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Post by jensmann on Dec 31, 2009 19:41:20 GMT -5
Epic spells can not be suppressed by any non-epic spell. First were does that stand in the rules? can you tell me the page on which it stands and the book please? Why would people think that the periodic bout of madness that has been recurring in dragonkind since before human recorded history, so long ago that even the elf records on it are lost, could be stopped by a level one spell? because WotC srewed it up BIG TIME --- AGAIN. Seriously you shoudl think the people who make that stuf would know about thier own stuff. |
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Post by soulfien on Dec 31, 2009 20:46:58 GMT -5
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The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect. If the protection from evil effect ends before the effect granting mental control does,
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It speaks of Mental Control
That is NOT nor has it ever been the same as the behavior altering magic that this is. ACTIVE Control is what this spell blocks.
Having your mind altered and wisdom drained is totally different. Because it is a permanent change. No one is controlling your mind or inserting this or that or maintaining it. It is an alteration. Yes, it may say compulsion, but it is not being maintained...
Think of it this way- Casting a spell to create something may be magical, but once the item is created, the spell is spent and the item is real and non-magical.
This is the same way. It is a one time change or compulsion and then the dragon is changed from then on.
There is nothing after that to ward against.
That's how I'm seeing it.
That and a lvl 1 spell isn't powerful enough to combat the power of an epic spell- that's like shooting a bee-bee gun at an incoming cannonball.
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