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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2008 6:38:30 GMT -5
Ok...you want to say there are more evil players...prove it, i would happily match names to names until one 'faction' runs of players to name. Also i have heard many people say that this server is way to 'Evil' biased. Right, wheres your proof? When it comes to dm interaction and the like, i have been here for nearly a year now, and the only dm interaction i have had was with the Blood feast plot that Dm Sleipner run. Now do i mind? No, i don't player here because i want dm attention all the time, i play here because i like the rp. Now the one or two incidents which show that this server is in no way 'Evil' Biased, that i have been involved with have usually ended up with said evil player having to put up with alot of grief both IC and OOC. And yes, while at first it can be 'dealt with' and is mediocre rp...after a while(the first 4 days or so) it becomes extremely lame and stagnant. Now i hate to say this about rp because, well, Rp is Rp afterall. Also most action's said evil player tries to do, in my experience, has been meta-gamed to death which usually means more grief and playing a computer game becomes stressful, irrating, lame and absolutely *%&^$*& annoying. Now, i know it is only a game and it is meant to be fun, but sometimes the person behind the computer of said evil guy should be shown a little consideration to, aye?
Now, semi-rant over, lets refer to the situation at hand. Yes, Edward has not committed any major act of violence or any 'fear spreading' actions as of late. But, last time a debate like this came up, it was made ~very~ clear that people found the whole torture thing lame. So, as a pain of lovitar(SP?), torture is kinda his thing, so as such, he has not being doing as much because he knows other players do not like it, consideration to the player behind the screen.
Now as for him not being feared because he has not done anything in a while...Think of it like this, would you allow your own body to be placed in harms reach by standing near and insulting that person who has been know to injure/torture and in most cases kill. Well, i don't know about you all, but i certainly wouldn't. And this can be related a little to some of my own IC situations, is Elvewyn scared of the Hullack Elfs, yes, hence why he walks around with as many defensive spells active as he can, as he spoken to people about his fear, yes. Now, is he going to show them he is scared? No, because if he does so his 'new friends' will think, hey, that elve guy is a sissy, we don't want him near us'. So, if you believe you don't have to rp fear, for example, a level thirty paladin who is immune to fear, then good, but find a way to rp such. (No offense Sharita, the example just fit).
Also, standing and insulting that evil guy right to his face, and making a complete mockery of him, again, he hasn't done anything in a while, but, would you walk right up to the guy that , who again, has been known to do various acts of unspeakable-ness and make a mockery of him, i know i sure as *&^& wouldn't. And that brings me to another point, i have seen alot Lawful and Chaotic good characters alike insult and belittle said evil person to the point where he has two choices, kill the guy who is obviously inciting him to violence, which then usually leads to everyone saying, yer, that evil guy incited and provoked him, he was acting in self defense, bla bla bla, or leave the area he is in. Well, as i have said, i~have~ seen this happen, and not only is it piss poor player conduct in my honest opinion, it is also extremely lame. A lawful character shouldn't do this as provocation and incitement, when you are stood in front of someone and while your in there face are chaotic acts. You want proof of this? Next time you are out, go over to someone with the worst reputation you know, then generally proceed to belittle them, insult them, provoke them and incite them. Then when you get the snot beaten out of you and the police question you about why you where doing what you where doing, just say, 'He is a known villain, it is for the greater good, and in everyones best interests'. Now yes, the guy may get in trouble, but you would be more to blame as you ~Started~ the fight.
Rant over now. But if anything else springs to mind, i will let you know.
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Post by Myth on Feb 1, 2008 7:37:02 GMT -5
I'll only put my two cents here.
I can see the thread turning to yet another "Good vs Evil players/Pcs" thread and I think that misses the point. I can understand John worrying about the commonly mentioned perception that players don't let their PCs feel fear. However there are a few things to take into consideration...
I have seen players in a lot of instances in my time in FRC RP being feared, for example when around Ranan. I think Grozer in his long time here has continuously taken care of his character's profile in such a way that when most think about Ranan, "Deadly", "Evil", "Clever and Plotting" and "Fearsome" comes to mind.
Now, regarding fear again and Edward. Edward has been known of torturing some individuals. While that might suffice to instill fear to -some- PCs, it will not suffice for everyone. For example someone that thinks is a lot stronger than those specific individuals or thinks he has the backing to defend himself against Edward, will not be overly scared of him most of the time. In the same way a lot of characters that are deeply religious might consider that their gods will help them face him since they consider themselves righteous and Edward evil.
Now, I have seen Edward and Elvewyn in some occasions engaging in some rather humorous conversations, teasing, etc. This does not help Edward's "fearsome" profile at all. Saying that people don't let their characters get scared means a lot, it's criticizing their quality of RP for one... and I usually prefer not doing that. Everyone RPs their character the way they see fit... If I played a character that couldn't cause the reactions I could, I think I would probably try and work more on my effort instead of speaking about others.
Now, as far as Aura of Despair goes... This now is purely my personal opinion. I try to not use any special abilities/spells/etc. that are not supported by the engine, unless I first consult with a DM. If there are house rules about using ones it's all fine, or if a DM present says it's fine. Otherwise I usually would consider it cheesing. Don't get me wrong, I've been playing PnP DnD over fifteen years and I love PnP but this still is a persistent NWN world and not PnP. The engine has it's limitations and since there are no HAKs on such as PRC I'd prefer to use whatever is available or else consult a DM for anything beyond that.
I can see the frustration in not having the reactions one wishes to cause but keep in mind that those reactions cannot be forced (no one IMHO can force anyone how to RP their character, except a DM if really needed) nor can they be somehow affected by posts in a public forum thread.
That said I'd encourage you John to make a greater effort, taking into consideration the feedback you've gotten from this thread and keep trying to get the desired reactions.
Thanks for reading through this rather long post.
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Post by Grozer on Feb 1, 2008 8:20:14 GMT -5
While it would be great, John, if the dm's had responded more to the actual reports that was made against Edward, and the reports that he was seen travelling with Cormyr freely at several occasions, they didn't for reasons of being busy elsewhere, overworked, absent, what do I know. And since we don't pay them, and they do what they do volunteeringly, we cant really blame them. It is NO excuse for you, for travelling around Suzail openly while being wanted. Because, when I see that, there isn't a thing I can do, besides adressing the nearest guard, in vain, as there is no dm to possess him. Maybe I am just losing my memory with my old age and since it seems I cant find the 'wanted' thread I cant refresh my memory, but I dont recall Edward ever being officially wanted. I do recall several 'reports' against Edward but if its NOT public knowledge that he is wanted I dont expect him to take precautions. So reports were made so what... who is to say those hand delivered reports made it to their intended destination? Who's to say they werent intercepted, a city official bribed, threatened, blackmailed, etc. Again I dont recall the exact details of the situation but just because someone makes accusations or claims of a crime doesnt make them fact.
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Post by kasin on Feb 1, 2008 8:44:03 GMT -5
could someone explain how intimidation works? I mean should i be scared of certain people? even if wynter is confident that if it came to blows she could hold her own or flee if need be?I remember ranan asking me once if i feared him and i said no but should i have said yes? Check out this thread
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Post by johntherevolator on Feb 1, 2008 8:51:06 GMT -5
Still, here are some rhetoric questions for you John. It's my hope you feel a bit LESS repressed, if that's an appropriate word to choose. The questions are: Do you need to RP with these people who you dont have fun with? Do you truly find your own character to be frightening? ---Being a Lovitarian that tortures people doesn't really make you scary, in my opinion. That's, well; common actually, for someone with that type of background to undergo such actions. A frost giant is more frightful, in my eyes. If you wish your vile character to be scary, why then do you (the player) need to make your character lounge around in a starting area, for new players? Have you considered a more colorful place to lurk and plot? ---On another personal opinion; I think Isinhold should be left alone if you're 10 and up, and to only go there for a short time. The reasons to such visits are limited to: Your PC is a merchant, your PC needs to meet someone, and, your PC is just simply passing through (which doesnt entail standing around for 2+ IRL hours [which is more than that IG time]). Tourture, murder and other vile acts and such are not scary? Its not just the size and look of something that makes it intimidating, its reputation too. Now people are suggesting I go kill people and start PvP up again, or do some other stuff which inevitably will get Edward hunted - I'll probably do that, worth a try. I know if some of my other characters heard about the rumours of what Edward had done they'd be rather nervous around him. Yeah, Edward is "witty" at times. So what? I'm sure even murderers and the most harderned criminals have a sence of humour. As for lounging around Isenhold - its not the only thing he does, far from it and most of the time he does go into Cormyr he wears an illusion ring or a disguise of somesort, but like I've said I have given up on that because this investigation has lasted, I don't know months upon months and I haven't had a shred of RP from it. The reason he is seen around Isenhold more so recently is simply because Cormyr is apprently offlimits and who am I going to find to Roleplay with in Redmist, come on now, lets be fair? I have litterly tried sitting in the inn inside of Redmist for -hours- waiting for someone to interact with. No such luck. I have tried hunting and killing things to pass the time - people said I was levelling too fast. So what have I got left for some interaction which isn't painstakingly boring. Isenhold. Might be an OOC reason, but, why would I play a game to be bored? If you don't think thats fair I will just leave now.
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Post by johntherevolator on Feb 1, 2008 8:52:50 GMT -5
Now, semi-rant over, lets refer to the situation at hand. Yes, Edward has not committed any major act of violence or any 'fear spreading' actions as of late. But, last time a debate like this came up, it was made ~very~ clear that people found the whole torture thing lame. So, as a pain of lovitar(SP?), torture is kinda his thing, so as such, he has not being doing as much because he knows other players do not like it, consideration to the player behind the screen. And that pretty much sums up why Edward has not done anything for sometime. I'm not about to continue doing things that people find lame or do not like.
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Post by dmimmersion on Feb 1, 2008 9:24:32 GMT -5
The wanted thread was removed to the DM Forum. This was done in response to the fact PC's can no longer arrest and a wanted poster leads to hunts. The respective governments have other ways of informing there own people who it is that is to be taken into custody.
The new stickied Red Ravens thread under the Regal Griffon Inn Forum does provide some information. While it will not flat out state what they are about, some hints are provided to give a general feel of the reaction, progress, and conclusion to an investigation. Such is the way of life unless you take an active part in trying to find information. Relying on word of mouth is never a conductive way to find out what is happening.
As in real life, people dont know everything the police are doing. Some crimes go unpunished, some investigations go unseen.
As for getting a DM's attention. If you need something, and one isnt on in game, send us a PM. While we would love to be able to play the game 24/7, we do have lives and work and all the fun stuff associated with living in the real world.
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Post by SlothfulCat on Feb 1, 2008 9:46:39 GMT -5
John, its not that torture etc isnt scary. It was the frequency of edward's acts. What seperates PC Villians like Ranan from the general orc-on-the-road encounter that results in getting one's butt kicked is that theres more to it than a collection of victims of X orc or X PC.
For a long stretch there every time I signed in Aria was approached by or overhead another PC saying "Edward has struck again". This got to the point where it was like "orcs are all over teh roads, Edward is all over the roads, bandits are all over the roads.... is there any real news?"
By all means, lash out now and then... but making scenes in town isn't really the way ((its gotten annoying enough to me listening to arguments that I did finally neutralize Aria's tongue for the most part so I wouldn't contribute to it)).
If you look at PCs like Phelzaron and Ranan.. when they strike, it is rare, you can't prove they did it usually, and while PCs can be certain it was Ranan that dumped that pitfiend into town and Phelzaron that had the kind of power and inclination it takes to create the cages that held Aria and Edward... it /cant/ be proven.
Where as Edward is pretty obvious, not to mention if your session lasts more than 30 minutes... those PCs do begin remembering.... or if they get away as Serenity did in Wynter and Lucius's case.
Another thing that makes edward not taken seriously is usualy his selection of victims... now if we hear Edward had Sharita on the rack... thats mondo points compared to say.. what he did to Mouse... as anyone could do that (no offense mouse!).
That said I know first hand that constant taunting is more annoying than fun, Aria's been in Ed's position but on the opposite spectrum.
That said, turning himself in is always a good way to re-open any area he considers closed to him now... he's lawful and can get away with that sort of thing after all.
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Post by johntherevolator on Feb 1, 2008 9:52:07 GMT -5
John, its not that torture etc isnt scary. It was the frequency of edward's acts. What seperates PC Villians like Ranan from the general orc-on-the-road encounter that results in getting one's butt kicked is that theres more to it than a collection of victims of X orc or X PC. For a long stretch there every time I signed in Aria was approached by or overhead another PC saying "Edward has struck again". This got to the point where it was like "orcs are all over teh roads, Edward is all over the roads, bandits are all over the roads.... is there any real news?" By all means, lash out now and then... but making scenes in town isn't really the way ((its gotten annoying enough to me listening to arguments that I did finally neutralize Aria's tongue for the most part so I wouldn't contribute to it)). If you look at PCs like Phelzaron and Ranan.. when they strike, it is rare, you can't prove they did it usually, and while PCs can be certain it was Ranan that dumped that pitfiend into town and Phelzaron that had the kind of power and inclination it takes to create the cages that held Aria and Edward... it /cant/ be proven. Where as Edward is pretty obvious, not to mention if your session lasts more than 30 minutes... those PCs do begin remembering.... or if they get away as Serenity did in Wynter and Lucius's case. Another thing that makes edward not taken seriously is usualy his selection of victims... now if we hear Edward had Sharita on the rack... thats mondo points compared to say.. what he did to Mouse... as anyone could do that (no offense mouse!). That said I know first hand that constant taunting is more annoying than fun, Aria's been in Ed's position but on the opposite spectrum. That said, turning himself in is always a good way to re-open any area he considers closed to him now... he's lawful and can get away with that sort of thing after all. He hasn't had -that- many victims over the near on year I've played him now. I think around seven at the most. So to be fair I don't think he striked that much, thats say, less than once a month RL. I think people just overexaggerated a little there. It sounds like you're trying to say his acts have become trival - I wouldn't find that sort of act trivial. Edward has tried to cover up his acts for the most part, in some cases people have metagamed which has been highly frustrating in others other PCs with him have been sloppy. I could quite easily give you three cases of metagaming, but its ok cos the good guys won wooo! And he -did- hand himself in, in Isenhold. Yet he still got harrassed by PCs and Guards when he got let out!
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Post by seina on Feb 1, 2008 10:01:22 GMT -5
I normally hate giving away RP for free, but trust me, John, my little level 4 PC is terrified of Edward.. she just deals with things in an odd manner. So don’t judge by what you see. You honestly have no idea what is going through the other PCs heads. There was a lot going on over under the tree, most of it to do with.. ummm.. running? Screaming? Climbing trees? And there was also quite a bit of gallows humor.
My PC was sitting outside for quite sometime.. sometimes talking, sometimes listening, sometimes whispering.. and yes, some jokes were made at Edward’s expense. Hard not to when he openly admits he was lured into a cave by an apparently gay dragon on the promise of being made some new clothes and then was accosted (and kissed) by said dragon. Please.. that’s –funny- and made Edward seem sort of ridiculous. Doesn’t make him any less dangerous, just some how more “human” and less frightening. Also, just something that has been bugging me, when Edward was shoving Elvewyn forward and trying to get him to kiss the “prickly” elven lass, he lost –huge- points on the scary scale. The two of them were acting like third graders trying to shove one another into the girl’s restroom.
Now.. this might be your evil genius plan and if it is, you get points for originality! Have Edward be sort of joking and comical.. and then get back to your old tricks of abducting people and torturing them and leaving their bodies where they can be found to make an example.
On another server I play an assassin/BG who has never assassinated anyone. She is about 5 foot nothing and elvishly thing (even though human). She is very pale with black hair and blacker eyes. With very wide eyes she stares at people without blinking as if they make no sense to her at all.. because, quite frankly, they don’t. She has risen to the rank of Captain of the Guard in the capital city of her nation.. and people quake in fear of her. Why? Because she –acts- completely inhuman. She is a stone cold soldier. She didn’t have to –do- anything. She just had to be and I laugh when people move out of her way.
My point.. there is more than one way to be scary. Just as there is more than one way to react to being scared. So no worries and play your game the way you want to.
Oh.. and let’s not get on the “There are so many more good/evil people than there are evil/good people” because that one is older than the hills. The balance of good/evil on servers is like a pendulum. For a few months it tips towards the good and then it will swing right back towards evil.. and then back to good and then back to evil.
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Post by SlothfulCat on Feb 1, 2008 10:08:51 GMT -5
So did Aria on all acounts.
I can't really tell you how to end "joke" status, I don't really know where it peetered off with Aria other than it happened while I was mostly in haitus status over school... then again I think once Aria's responsibilities as a W.W. were shed I simply re-embraced her former role of goofball.
As for metagaming... been there it sucks; and its not cool. Theres not much you can do about it other than pick who you interact with.. as your companions and your foes.
As for other PCs dropping the ball... that is why you need to be /very/ careful of who you real allies are.
My best advice is to just pay more attention to /what/ is being said when you are harassed and see whats making you a target.
Also, as Grozer has pointed out... not all PvP is in swords and spells, and it could be that PCs who can't touch Edward are simply using the one weapon they have on him.
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Post by TermaForever on Feb 1, 2008 10:14:14 GMT -5
Oh.. and let’s not get on the “There are so many more good/evil people than there are evil/good people” because that one is older than the hills. The balance of good/evil on servers is like a pendulum. For a few months it tips towards the good and then it will swing right back towards evil.. and then back to good and then back to evil. Very true. I remember a few months ago it seemed like everyone and his kitchen sink was a Necro, a Banite, or some guy using one or the other to push people around.
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Post by trebarruna on Feb 1, 2008 10:57:32 GMT -5
Well, back when I used to play with Varna there were only 2 characters that scared the hell out of her (even if she never admitted it): Ranan and your character. Both our characters developed together, I think they started to work together since they were level 5 or so, correct me if I'm wrong. What made her *fear* yours was not the torture factor to be honest, that never bothered her much, but the way you rp'ed your character, the way he plotted to achieve something. Maybe thats part of his personality that many don't know about, but that hidden side of his was indeed what made her be very careful with the way she *manipulated* him in her convenience. Playing evil is not a easy task, its easy to be known but takes ages to be respected and feared as one. In my opinion (I don't know how things are now in FRC1, been away for some time) Ed had some reputation, and I remember seeing folk rp being afraid of him and others just insulting him for fun... and Ed's player not doing anything because he was just tired of trying to rp his character without getting the feedback his rp deserved. With that I mean, character X starts to rp with Ed, insults him... I remember this certain scene in Redmist when X player refused to obey Ed's command while he was a redmist guard, there was a long and stressful moment where Ed was trying to make that person obey a certain Redmist law, but that person just wouldn't and continued to challenge Ed. Player X insults him one last time and Ed just spanks him. (He had alot of patience with that one... I wouldn't have half). And then X player fails a will roll and enters in a state of immaturity, makes a scene and insults Eds player because he got spanked. That sort of behavior can make anyone who tries to rp frustrated. And ohhhh boy... I have seen alot of it while playing I think its alot easier to play goodie shoe and get known/respected then evil and get feared. It took Ranan alot of time to get his *fear aura* and his reputation (not talking about the reputation with females, I bet he got that one fast ). I remember when his character was a *naabsie* walking around with a very cool female character as companion, and the rumors they created around themselves, about being banites, but without anyone being able to prove it. And now the name itself is sort of a synonym of evil and fear among FRC. Having a reputation takes time! From what I have seen while playing with your character you had everything to become known and feared. Well something like that, I'm sleepy so I may not make much sense. *yawns*
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Post by ancientempathy on Feb 1, 2008 14:16:49 GMT -5
Tourture, murder and other vile acts and such are not scary? Its not just the size and look of something that makes it intimidating, its reputation too. Yup yup, reputation is important to have, in order to be scary. The trend in responses I have seen so far suggest that everyone has their own perception a bit, on what is scary or not. Its hard to tell if its been in an IC manner pertaining to their character or OOC pertaining to themselves. Personally, OOCly it just isnt scary for me, but that's just me and we're all different. ICly I'll refrain from posting too much information on here, but my paladin just thinks Edward is a bully. Knowing me, I'd play Randal around Edward with a cautious manner. I cant stress enough on saying how much I do not think that's a good idea. There are numerous other alternatives, versus PvP, don't you think? What about the wildlands though? What about someons own home, even, that he could enter, kill the people inside, and take up base within? I'm sure there are other numerous possibilities. There have been times when my paladin has sat in his temple, alone, for hours on end. Many here know that I spend /a lot/ of hours in game. Granted, it's not the most exciting of things all the time, but that's just how he is. OOCly speaking, I do have a lot of patience though. And i cannot recall where I started to talk about what is fair or what is not fair? You quoted me, so I'm thinking that the comment is directed at me. I suppose you could mean someone else? In any case, in respect to my last post; the questions and comments there were just suggestions, to help you out in some way. ---------------------------------------- Also, to finalize my response John: Have you approached a DM privately about this, and the situation with Edward that might have possibly provoked this thread?..
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Post by DM Valkyrie on Feb 1, 2008 17:16:24 GMT -5
I will agree on some previous points. -Lighthearted humor does not lend to one's "scare factor". - People these days turn on the news, and see the utter depravity of the human race, and we have slowly become immune to it. Seeing Edward hanging out in Isinhold so often, doing...nothing ...but shooting the breeze, and sometimes in the company of cute hins, or his "fiancee" doesn't help his "scare factor" either. These days horror flicks consist of more blood and gore than true fear. We know who the "slasher" is, and that he's going to be behind the door the "hero" is about to open. And we, the audience, are cheering for the Slasher because the hapless victims don't have the sense to Leave the House! after discovering the first few murders...... However, true horror/scary movies, the ones that *really* scared me, were the ones where you didn't see the creature/slasher/alien...whatever, until the very end of the movie when the "hero" (last survivor) had to face it or die. You saw what the thing did, but not the thing. It is that quality of the unknown, that makes things truly scary. There is an inheirant fear of the unknown we all have to a degree, and that is where fear comes from. Now, that being said, fear instills the basic primal "Fight or Flee" response. Some people will back down, some won't. Your typical adventurer (and possibly some villagers of Isinhold) who has faced dragons, devils, demons, undead armies, (insert your favorite thing you'd rather not fight), are now faced with a man in red armor, who is rumored to have done things no one can prove, who denies these rumors as nothing more than vicious lies, and has defended the village on occassion (for whatever reason). My question is returned. Why should anyone fear Edward? Because he has done a few things a long time ago? He denies ever doing anything to anyone...so...he should be feared? I am not advocating PvP to instill fear. There are so many things you can do, that people may not see, but still hear about. Rumors/word of mouth lend a lot to a character's reputation, the best ones being those rumors not said by the PC themselves. The above opinions are my own, and in no way reflect the opinion of the entire DM Team. (They may even outright disagree with what I said )
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Post by Charon's Claw on Feb 1, 2008 18:00:03 GMT -5
I don't think he's worried about not being feared or what not. What's annoying him is some will just come up and insult him for little reason ((at least that I can see)) about things he has done, or just make a joke of him. And I can see some more experienced and hardened adventurers doing this perhaps, but not commoners and people who are green and have just heard rumors and are following the "in crowd" of "goodly" characters in this.
Being feared is one thing.. being made a joke of or belittled is another and the latter is what he's trying to address.. ((at least I'm 99% sure))
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Feb 1, 2008 19:43:27 GMT -5
I think it's obvious that everyone believes the rumors, despite what Edward claims, otherwise he wouldn't catch near as much crap.
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Post by Grozer on Feb 1, 2008 21:31:35 GMT -5
Your typical adventurer (and possibly some villagers of Isinhold) who has faced dragons, devils, demons, undead armies, (insert your favorite thing you'd rather not fight), are now faced with a man in red armor, who is rumored to have done things no one can prove, who denies these rumors as nothing more than vicious lies, and has defended the village on occassion (for whatever reason). My question is returned. Why should anyone fear Edward? Because he has done a few things a long time ago? He denies ever doing anything to anyone...so...he should be feared? In spite of my better judgement of not doing so, I am going to respectfully disagree with a DM. Just because an adventurer has faced the worst possible creatures of the underdark or a dragon face to face and survived is no reason to be immune or be careless in the wake of any threat. By that logic, Ranan would never see Sharita as a threat... he has faced devils, lichs, been plugged into the Abyss and had to fight his way to find a portal out... he's been tortured by legendary characters... and even after surviving all that he is still careful around PCs. There is no guarantee that having survived such a epic event means you will again, yet many fall back on that premise repeatedly.
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Post by Grozer on Feb 1, 2008 21:38:34 GMT -5
It took Ranan alot of time to get his *fear aura* and his reputation (not talking about the reputation with females, I bet he got that one fast ). I remember when his character was a *naabsie* walking around with a very cool female character as companion, and the rumors they created around themselves, about being banites, but without anyone being able to prove it. And now the name itself is sort of a synonym of evil and fear among FRC. Having a reputation takes time! From what I have seen while playing with your character you had everything to become known and feared. Well something like that, I'm sleepy so I may not make much sense. *yawns* Sidenote: Where have you been? And stop spreading lies Ranan has no reputation with the ladies. Back on topic: There is some good advice here John. And I agree with Lhyanna, it is not easy to play evil.... there are definitely the ups and downs. I will suggest though that you play Edward the way you wish to play him. Personally I have never felt a villian needs to the typical, cold, uncaring, threatening bad guy and just because some may suggest you to go that direction doesnt mean you should. There is nothing to say a villian cant have a sense of humor, show loyalty to friends or enjoy the company of hins. That doesnt make him any less of a villian... in the end it comes down to more than that. Then again these are just my thoughts.. take them for what its worth..
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Post by Manshin on Feb 1, 2008 23:27:07 GMT -5
Of all the types of adventurers most likely to randomly insult strange people they dont know much about, the "green" variety are the most likley.
Bottom line: Seasoned adventurers know not to ever underestimate an enemy. A seasoned adventurer has as much respect for the possiblity that a gnome could kick his ass as he would that an eight foot tall half orc could... or a dragon for that matter. Because a seasoned adventurer has seen it all, he knows that danger doesnt always come in a big scar laced body with an axe. Nor does he discount that it often times does! Ask the Arabel orcs.
If anything, higher level adventurers are more suseptable to being intimidated beacuse they know that its never smart to judge a book by its cover, and if some twirp is pretending to have an edge on you, then the high level adventurer doesnt have the false bluster and ingnorance to immediatly dismiss those claims. Their Will save + HD saving throw to resist intimidate is higher though because they've also learned to see though BS by having been around the block a few times.
Point is... seasoned adventurers should never be acting like "green" noobs taunting people whom they know nothing about because experiance has taught them to not rush into things unprepared.
When a "green" player taunts someone like Edward, I highly HIGHLY recomend following him out of town and giving him a little lesson in "respect those who can kill you." PvP IS allowed here, but more importantly, cause and effect is expected here, and there should.. nay... MUST be consiquences for actions to make this world believable (only to the extent that the game remains fun of course, if you kill some guy for taunting you, and he respawns and starts in again, its probably time to get a DM, rather than griefing him.) Of course, you should always -try- to avoid PvPing those who dont stand a chance unless RP demands it, but really, to make this world hint of realism, mess with the bull, get the horns.
By the way, I love all of our villians, and I especially loved being one for that short little stint of time I did. Im pretty sure zombie Manshin was able to aquire a fair bit of "fear" from the other players, though, I suppose I dont know for sure. But I do recall that a lot of people were talking about the various headless corpses found all over the place and I would often get tells like *runs and hides* when I would log on. In that case I think it wasnt just the fact that he was carrying out his orders and killing other players, but the manner in which their bodies were found that added to the whole "scarey" factor. People were trying to figure out why some people lost their heads, and others didnt, or why they happened in certain places. Also, because zombie Manshin struck in random places at random times, and sometimes even in places where people figured they were safe, that all added a spooky aumbiance to it. For a while, people were afraid to leave town.
I tried to do this in a manner that was plot driven, and I used tells to those who had been killed to explain the situation and talk about it so that they felt they were part of a plot rather than in some powergaming PvP streak, and I tihnk that is important. Anyway, I dont know if any of that is relivant or helpful, but, there it is.
I hope to see you back and put some of these suggestions to good use (ignoring any mean stuff). We do need good villians on FRC, and I like Edward, to me and my characters he is definatly infamous. Any character who is "talked about" in dark corners when he isnt even logged on, or even better, tallked about and feared by characters who havent even met him is doing something right.
There are always going to be those who get carried away with the whole: "Get the badguys!" thing, even to the point of forgetting that we love our badguys and need them around to make FRC funner, but hang in there, and work to perfect your character.
Manshin
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Post by brian333 on Feb 2, 2008 3:37:06 GMT -5
Also, PvP need not always end in death. Challenge him to a duel outside of town and fight to "Badly Wounded" or something. The loser has to RP the humiliation of defeat, which is even worse than just dying.
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Post by johntherevolator on Feb 2, 2008 9:47:32 GMT -5
I don't think he's worried about not being feared or what not. What's annoying him is some will just come up and insult him for little reason ((at least that I can see)) about things he has done, or just make a joke of him. And I can see some more experienced and hardened adventurers doing this perhaps, but not commoners and people who are green and have just heard rumors and are following the "in crowd" of "goodly" characters in this. Being feared is one thing.. being made a joke of or belittled is another and the latter is what he's trying to address.. ((at least I'm 99% sure)) Yeah, thats exactly what I was trying to say. Anyway - to those of you that gave advice, or constructive critisism I thank you. Most apperciated. I'll continue to try perfecting Edward. Although please have some consideration for the player behind the screen - been belittled day in and day out becomes highly frustrating for both the player (me) and my character. You've already lost one player because of this recently. Thank you again, John
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Post by johntherevolator on Feb 2, 2008 10:05:39 GMT -5
Sidenote: Where have you been? And stop spreading lies Ranan has no reputation with the ladies. I don't think I will return to frc1 (had to format my pc so lost everything, and the thought of having to install the game and all the add ons is a pain!!), but without doubts will play on frc2! Tut tut, where have you been! Arrr - you should face the pain of getting back! Varna was cool and Edward misses her. *nod nod* Cute baby, hehe.
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Post by Aodhan the Unusual on Feb 2, 2008 13:47:25 GMT -5
Just think on this: Cute, innocent , Torian got her fearsome rep through rumors mostly. However, instead of denying them (most of them anyway), she would play them up to her advantage. Mean? She'd taunt the heck out of innocent people that did nothing more than walk by. Deadly? Several public duels and a few rumors that started, 'I ran into this halfling with this hat, and then I woke up at a healer's...' will set people a bit edgy. Insane? Friendly one minute, the next ready to slit your throat, is Torian in a nutshell. Not to mention the couple of times she really did lose her mind and kinda accidentally almost set all of Isinhold on fire... If you hear a rumor that you think may work towards your advantage (ex. "Did you hear about that Edward guy? Stabbed an orc with an arrow before shooting it into another and still caught Bob!") play it up. Just remember, there's a fine line between manipulating and coming off as a windbag braggart. Oh yeah... And don't be afraid to start rumors yourself. Disguise yourself and whisper things to a passerby... Might just catch like wild fire.
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Post by DM Richard (Retired) on Feb 2, 2008 15:00:36 GMT -5
I hate to give out this advice because it sounds elitist and somewhat negative. However I will do it anyway, because if you aren't having fun why bother playing.
This goes for all the players reading this. This isn't about good, neutral or evil because I'm talking about what we as players need to do not what characters need to do.
Fearsome, Brave, Hero, Villain
Everyone wants to be something. Some people imagine their characters without ANY flaws. Some create in depth characters with goals, personality, quirks, divided loyalties. Other people just have a list of stats and feats picked out.
Playing on any mod is only as good as the role-play you set for yourself and the interactions of the people that surround you. The more vision, work, imagination and personality that the people you interact with put into the role-play of their character the more fun you have.
What characters see and what characters hear should effect what characters think. What characters think should effect how they act and react. If a character isn't reacting how you want them to then ask yourself how do you change what they think.
I realize this only works if their reactions are based on role-play. If someone isn't role-playing worth a hoot and DOESN'T WANT to role-play then move on to someone else. Sometimes people just aren't worth it. This goes for interactions with companions OR opposition. Remember that it goes both ways though. Everyone needs to look at how they act AND react as well as how others are reacting.
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