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Post by Valandil Sherwood on Oct 24, 2004 0:06:50 GMT -5
for some reason since Valans brother got into a little bit of a death trap hehehe. but when i logged on everyone was accusing me of metagaming. i just wanted a party to kill harpies but seems Raven and Alkazaar saw otherwise. i mean if Valan didnt know Alkazaar is after him too then what is the problem? Valan for one isnt the kind of guy to run in and kill everyone... you all know that but ya i just had to post that cause it makes me feel like im not loved or something  |
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Oct 24, 2004 5:20:29 GMT -5
I seriously have no idea what happened, but would like to point out that metagaming is engaging in any activity that your player character wouldn't normally have information on... that is to say, if he or she were to die, they really wouldn't know they died, etc, heh...or if their friend was 50ft away, but they were unconscious, they wouldn't know... etc, etc...
Player tells, when they regard information that is OOC, and party chat are illegal.!
If you are partied with someone who is sending you party info, IE party chat... just ignore them... better yet, out and out say it's illegal... DM's know who they are anyway.
The rules are simple here and should be easy to follow for most that have an IQ over 80... I think that covers most of our player base.
Please folks... self govern.. WE HATE MAKING RULES!!
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Post by DavidBluth on Nov 17, 2004 20:58:55 GMT -5
I have a question about Meta-gaming. If I start making a plot with one of my characters, if I can think of a valid reason for it, I like to involve more of my guys. Is this Meta-Gaming?
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Post by DM Richard on Nov 17, 2004 21:53:26 GMT -5
Knowledge shared between two of your own characters is metagaming. Depending on the knowledge it can be a huge issue or an ignorable issue but either way it is metagaming!
Examples:
1. You know a persons character is an assassin because you read it when logging on. You tell your party not to let him join as he is untrustworthy and a hired killer. (Bad roleplay and now everyone is basing their knowledge off of what they think you knew in character. Don't do it.)
2. You log on with a new character and meet a friend of another of your characters. You call him by name even though your two characters never met before. (Bad roleplay and a mood dampener but not serious offense. Try to keep each character's knowledge seperate.)
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Post by DavidBluth on Nov 17, 2004 22:25:15 GMT -5
Well, I mean like this. One time Hierich said some bad stuff about Waukeen to one character of mine. Since the guy wouldn't know anything about Waukeen, he'd ask if she's really an evil deity(which she isn't). Nat, Being a part cleric of Waukeen, would likly get wind of of stuff like that, though he wouldn't know who the guy was. I would think it would be understandable for Nat to ask people about that, wouldn't it? It's not really sharing info, it's a person responding to rumor he would have heard.
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Post by DM Richard (Retired) on Nov 17, 2004 22:45:24 GMT -5
"Nat, Being a part cleric of Waukeen, would likly get wind of of stuff like that, though he wouldn't know who the guy was. I would think it would be understandable for Nat to ask people about that, wouldn't it? It's not really sharing info, it's a person responding to rumor he would have heard."
I can see how Nat would be interested in such a rumor. The question is though how likely would it be that he would even hear of it? So you are saying your other character is the kind of a person to cause such an uproar over it to bring it to the attention of every cleric of Waukeen in the area and one that wasn't even in the area?
If you were logged on as Nat when you heard it or if it is something you hear as Nat while around town then you can act on it... not before.
If it isn't a big enough rumor for you to hear without metagaming then it wasn't big enough for him to have heard about and it isn't something you can use. Does it amount to a hill of beans? Depends on how you use it. Is it good roleplaying? No way!
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Post by DavidBluth on Nov 17, 2004 22:55:32 GMT -5
Well he wouldn't be one to cause an uproar, but when people go around asking about a God, the odds are in favor of a cleric of that God hearing about it, from people telling or asking them about it, or because they would pay attention when they over hear someone talking about the being they have devoted their lives to.
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Post by DM Richard (Retired) on Nov 17, 2004 23:58:07 GMT -5
"... when people go around asking about a God, the odds are in favor of a cleric of that God hearing about it, from people telling or asking them about it, or because they would pay attention when they over hear someone talking about the being they have devoted their lives to."
Only if the topic of conversation spread and grew. If there was a temple in the town to that god then the character would go ask a priest there. Either way it doesn't mean that the information would get to any one particular priest. It might but just as likely might not.
Either way he would have to be where a conversation was going on.
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Post by kenny26 on Nov 18, 2004 15:28:24 GMT -5
i don't get it... how can it be so hard to not metagame??? >.< one simple rule: If and only IF you actually get the information from players talking IC, can you act on it! not reading a person's bio (well, if it's a discription of his looks, ok you can act on that), or by another of your char's experiences, or bu getting tells or ooc talk. how can it be so hard...? i read bios for the entertainment and the occasional bio that has been replaced by a description which i use IC. apart from that i act on nothing but what i see other players type InCharacter. easy.  |
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Nov 18, 2004 16:01:31 GMT -5
i don't get it... how can it be so hard to not metagame??? >.< one simple rule: If and only IF you actually get the information from players talking IC, can you act on it! not reading a person's bio (well, if it's a discription of his looks, ok you can act on that), or by another of your char's experiences, or bu getting tells or ooc talk. how can it be so hard...? i read bios for the entertainment and the occasional bio that has been replaced by a description which i use IC. apart from that i act on nothing but what i see other players type InCharacter. easy. This is right... acting only upon what your player sees/hears/touches is the best policy to avoid the dreaded metagame. |
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Post by -SuPeRBeAsT- on Nov 20, 2004 13:23:18 GMT -5
I hate metagaming. Big screw up on the part of NWN makers to make it so easy to do. If you want to play a character that uses disguises, be prepared to become very frustrated.
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Post by hoffman900 on Nov 20, 2004 15:35:22 GMT -5
One good way to avoid metagaming:
Do not create 10 characters.
Stick to one or two characters. If you get bored with one of them just put him aside for awhile.
It works for me...
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Post by Gordy101st on Nov 20, 2004 16:09:02 GMT -5
If your characters act similarly enough for you to repeatedly end up getting confused you should probably start writing better chars  |
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Post by sharrington on Dec 31, 2004 18:49:08 GMT -5
After the incident today with that PC NerThuzal or whatever his name was... and his I can read minds, I'm glad I scragged him. And I'm willing to take whatever punishment is heaped my way. That player has been ruining it for everyone in the last two days with his incessent(think I spelled that wrong) metagaming. I swear I'm gonna make a new fighter. BOB "the meta killer". His goal in life is to scrag at first sight of metagaming... anyways. Please refrain from metagaming unless its an accident which happens. AND NO MORE MIND READERS!!!!!!
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Dec 31, 2004 19:11:54 GMT -5
Indeed.
Your player character does not have any special powers of your own design.
Please do not play a psionisist, mind reader, metagamer, etc.
Your PC is heroic, or possibly despotic, but certainly not endowed with any special powers save what his/her class/race allows.
Please don't metagame, it does ruin the experience for everyone.
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Post by garlandbrinsbane on Dec 31, 2004 20:48:14 GMT -5
I'm glad someone brought up 'Ner' in here. He has been a pain this week, both In Game and even in 'Chat'.
Some DMs know of this.
What's really sad is that we...as players...IN GAME...try our best to avoid him when he is on.
I wish he could check himself and play well...but you can lead a horse to water...
...of course...Garland could use his skull to sharpen his blade...
seriously though...intervention?
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