racestark
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Post by racestark on Sept 22, 2005 3:20:41 GMT -5
Well folks, I know I haven't been on in a while due to a varying degree of reasons (severe lag issues, couple nights in County for not paying traffic tickets, promotion at work, good friend moving to Hawaii on short notice, etc. etc.) and I've missed the fun severly (especially while sitting in that jail cell). But with all that aside, I'm heading to Washington D.C. to "stick it to the Man", so to speak. Without getting into a rant about my political views, I'm just going to say I've got a REALLY bad feeling about surviving this massive protest for many different reasons, including some really disturbing reaccuring dreams. But hopefully I'm wrong. Just in case I ain't, it's been a lot of fun playing with you all. You've made my first experience on an online roleplaying server a treasure. FRC was actually conflicting with my cigarette addiction at times. If I am wrong, which I pray that I am, you'll all be seeing so much of me in the next couple days when I get back that you'll start to get sick of me. Anyway, see if you can point me out on the Saturday news. I'll be the white boy in his mid-20's sporting a brown mohawk in a blue pin-stripped gas attendant's T-shirt. I'll probably have a video camera in my hand while I get beaten by the police. But don't expect to see me on Faux News. I'll be sure to take lots of pictures and post them, if I make it back. Peace, Josh
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Post by olwentheold on Sept 22, 2005 5:41:29 GMT -5
Good gief! Don't get killed while you're there - and the best of luck with the protest.
Always wondered whether jail food was any good . . . hmmm.
Stay cool, Ken
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Post by Keetena on Sept 22, 2005 6:12:16 GMT -5
Just return in one piece, you'll not die, sometimes we must hold faith in our believes as well in ourselves, take care
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Boogiedk
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Post by Boogiedk on Sept 22, 2005 9:42:33 GMT -5
Fight the power ! !
Best of luck
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Sept 22, 2005 17:18:14 GMT -5
you know, ive been getting several phone calls from some commies ... hopefully, youre not one of them commies that are planning that massive protest ... i like this representative democracy ...
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Post by DM Grizwald on Sept 22, 2005 17:36:35 GMT -5
I love sticking it to the man, good luck. Oh, and come back in one piece.
Dave
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racestark
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Post by racestark on Sept 26, 2005 10:45:43 GMT -5
I survived and boy is my rear end numb! Then again, sitting on it for 7 hours straight hitting bumps at 85 mph will do that, I guess. Thankfully, the demonstration went off with no violence from either side. Estimates were higher than were anticipated, anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 protestors in D.C. alone. Sadly, the energy was a bit low-key, but from some of the pictures I've seen from some of the building rooftops the number of people sure looked impressive. I'll post pictures when they're developed. Now to go call in sick to work. ;D
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Sept 26, 2005 11:02:36 GMT -5
i saw some of it on tv i think... lots of people screaming out 'impreach bush' repetively. the upside is, it wasnt an attempt for a communist revolution
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Post by racestark on Sept 26, 2005 11:19:06 GMT -5
Yep, that was it. And no, it's not an attempt a communist revolution. Socialist, maybe, but not communist. And believe me, they are a FAR cry from each other. What channel did you see it on? As far as I know, only C-SPAN and CNN reported on it. And as we all know, they have great journalistic integrity.
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Manshin
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Post by Manshin on Sept 26, 2005 11:58:32 GMT -5
Well.. jail food sucks. Especially the little sausages which are more like tubes of plastic filled with molten greese. As for the protest, I see Bush has not been impeaced... mores the pity. Oh well, better luck next time.
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Post by Booze Hound on Sept 26, 2005 12:19:37 GMT -5
I an back he "jail food sucks" statement. And tis a shame the protest was low key...I didn't even know about it, but that may be because I am in a self imposed purgatory. Perhaps more violence is the answer for the next one. The only difference between a traitor and a patriot is his spot on the timeline.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Sept 26, 2005 12:26:00 GMT -5
What was really funny about this weekends protest is that the news media I saw had the count on participants ridiculously low, IE it was downplayed to oblivion. On top of that, they couldn't help but mention (probably through a cencorship mandate) that there were groups there in support of the war too... A Republican Checklist for ya...(In the form of a sweeping generalization) Pro-Life, check Pro-Death Penalty, check Pro-War, check Pro-Expansion of Big Government while claiming to want to limit federal powers, check Wait a second, wait a second... we have a meltdown here... Pro-Life... conspicous given the fact that they are Pro-War and Pro-Death Penalty. I tells ya, they are confused! Anyway, glad you are back safe.
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Post by DJ KT on Sept 26, 2005 12:59:26 GMT -5
being english i have no idea what this is all about but...I have to aggree
STICK IT TO THE MAN!
*runs off like Jack Black*
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Post by kenny26 on Sept 26, 2005 15:19:28 GMT -5
i can't speak up on my political beliefs in this thread (everything is called differently in america, and besides it's not my right as a european to tell the americans what to think). but i definately want bush out of the office... he's not too popular outside the states.
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Post by Grozer on Sept 26, 2005 15:50:27 GMT -5
i can't speak up on my political beliefs in this thread (everything is called differently in america, and besides it's not my right as a european to tell the americans what to think). but i definately want bush out of the office... he's not too popular outside the states. Strangely enough I have found this in many countries. Friday, I was having lunch with some of my business associates here in Brazil and they tentatively brought up the subject of how I feel about Bush. After I gave them take, I asked their opinion.. I laugh because the sour on their faces said it all. In summary they were greatly disappointed in him.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Sept 26, 2005 16:42:26 GMT -5
i can't speak up on my political beliefs in this thread (everything is called differently in america, and besides it's not my right as a european to tell the americans what to think). but i definately want bush out of the office... he's not too popular outside the states. Strangely enough I have found this in many countries. Friday, I was having lunch with some of my business associates here in Brazil and they tentatively brought up the subject of how I feel about Bush. After I gave them take, I asked their opinion.. I laugh because the sour on their faces said it all. In summary they were greatly disappointed in him. Heh... strangely? His approval rating is in the low 30's here. Over 60% feel that he is doing a BAD JOB... I somehow don't find it strange that he isn't well liked abroad... he is barely tolerated at home!
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Post by DM the Usurper on Sept 26, 2005 17:07:47 GMT -5
I saw Shehee got arrested. I can respect her feelings to stop the war, but quite realistically I feel she's kinda wasting her time, as should spend it better, since she has all this attention, perhaps making sure the soldiers transaction back to the states smoother, and to make sure they're all being taking care of. Or even to put pressure on the admin to not go to war with Iran or N. Korea...that's really what Iraq is leading to..better avenue of attack for Iran and control of the Caspian Sea. I'm not sure if folks really realize that you just can't pull out of a war this quickly...the reprocussions of doing so will truley outwiegh the benefits. though I truly realize they can't trust us (middle east); but us pulling out now...will confirm it for our lives, and on to our children's children's child and beyond. That's why Iran hates us, for turning our backs on them while the Shah was in power. It's a double edge sword, we're damned either way sadly. As far a Bush goes, lol well words don't do it justice, but this goes so much deeper then Bush, most of these issues could have been dealt with during the Carter administration. Folks should not put so much concentration to Bush, and truley look into reforming the US gov't as a whole, it is truley damaged. How do you do this short of a revolution? That's the true question. But something does need to change, or we're all in for a long winter.
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Post by Grozer on Sept 26, 2005 17:32:27 GMT -5
I saw Shehee got arrested. I can respect her feelings to stop the war, but quite realistically I feel she's kinda wasting her time, as should spend it better, since she has all this attention, perhaps making sure the soldiers transaction back to the states smoother, and to make sure they're all being taking care of. Or even to put pressure on the admin to not go to war with Iran or N. Korea...that's really what Iraq is leading to..better avenue of attack for Iran and control of the Caspian Sea. I'm not sure if folks really realize that you just can't pull out of a war this quickly...the reprocussions of doing so will truley outwiegh the benefits. though I truly realize they can't trust us (middle east); but us pulling out now...will confirm it for our lives, and on to our children's children's child and beyond. That's why Iran hates us, for turning our backs on them while the Shah was in power. It's a double edge sword, we're damned either way sadly. As far a Bush goes, lol well words don't do it justice, but this goes so much deeper then Bush, most of these issues could have been dealt with during the Carter administration. Folks should not put so much concentration to Bush, and truley look into reforming the US gov't as a whole, it is truley damaged. How do you do this short of a revolution? That's the true question. But something does need to change, or we're all in for a long winter. Damn Ursurp, you read my mind... I am not a Bush supporter but at the same time, you really can't blame our current situation on one man. This happened over time and is the culmination of a multitude of events. Hell think about all the weapons Reagan admin sold to Iraq that are now being on our men! Anyway, I am right there with you, I was very concerned about where we go next. Bush has kind of pushed us into a corner. Iran and N. Korea know what the popular opinion is right now in the US and god help us they might call our hand to see if we play the war card. I have noticed Bush admin taking a slightly different approach with Iran and N. Korea. I think they may have learned their lesson, but who knows.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Sept 26, 2005 17:42:33 GMT -5
I found this on yahoo news right as I logged out... thought it was interesting and appropriate to the discussion. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050926/ap_on_re_us/dalai_lamaI guess don't take me the wrong way, I (like Usurper) am an ex-soldier, but when you're right, you're right.
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Sept 26, 2005 17:47:39 GMT -5
Yep, that was it. And no, it's not an attempt a communist revolution. Socialist, maybe, but not communist. And believe me, they are a FAR cry from each other. What channel did you see it on? As far as I know, only C-SPAN and CNN reported on it. And as we all know, they have great journalistic integrity. well, im down with socialism .... anyhow. it was on c-span. i think they showed the whole thing.
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Post by Manshin on Sept 26, 2005 18:37:18 GMT -5
Oh ya... The bush administration was bought and paid for by the Saudi's just after Kenedy was shot. They have been taking over every branch of the government since. Now they have finally taken em all. The old days are dead... just look at the two elections Bush didnt win. The quest to destroy america is almost complete. Compare modern day US to the USSR just before the fall. That similarities are frightening. Even if they dont get us, the Chinese are coming. hehe. My advice, get your guns and you bow, and find a nice cave deep in the mountians. It's going to be sweet! I am going to miss NWN. *sob* damn am I going to miss NWN.
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Post by DM the Usurper on Sept 26, 2005 21:02:40 GMT -5
Your right communism and socialism are seperate entities...but the problem is, as Carl Marx envisioned it is that Socialism only works in an perfect world, it doesn't take in account the basic human emotion of greed. As communism was an extreme = failed, then also the U.S. before the great depresion was a pure capitalist society, thus failing also... Now the U.S. is far from perfect...but after the New Deal, the U.S. has came the closest to a better balance of Capitalism and Socialism. You cannot have a pure system one way or the other, it just doesn't work..as with everything in life, you have to practice moderation. It just seems as of the last 10 years or so, we are leaning back towards a pure capitalistic society, acutually I think they have a newer term for it, but it escapes my brain atm. I truly believe America works, it's just that it has been derailed, we as a society need to pull together and make it right...and do you know where it starts? Your community and voting. Now I do not mean voting once every 4 years (President is the least concerned office to worry about voting...its really an illusion afterall). Why the system doesn't work? Cause people only vote for any yahoo (majority) that runs for the smaller offices, up to the Legislature and Senate. That's where the real magic happens...Americans need to research all offices up for election, then over time (going to take awhile) we can have true leaders where they need to be. How realistic is this? Maybe when the baby boomers are out of power, but the same philosphies will probably leaech there way to the new folks. but what I'm really trying to get at is that YOUR VOICE does have power. but you have to ask yourself what the true question is, don't just complain about stuff that is the "hot topic" atm...find a solution, voice your opinion. and remember Usurper for President 2008!
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Post by AnvilX on Sept 26, 2005 21:43:52 GMT -5
Well I guess I am the silent minority on the server… yep I am a Republican and damn proud of it. However I am not going to start spouting half truths about the other party or why my beliefs are right and another’s wrong. Nor am I going to go out of my way to insult another on their party or their leaders. Anyone can find statements/actions SLANTED to support what they want to believe. We live in the communication age and anyone who is the hot topic or causing a scene gets the publicity. But they are a small minority for both parties. The large majority of both parties don’t pay a lot of attention to what is hot at the moment or how the media is trying to TWIST their views. They rely on their own morals, beliefs and what they see through their own eyes and how it affects their daily lives and safety. Today, everyone wants to blame everyone else and never own up to their own actions or responsibilities. I am actually a very political person, but I like to keep that away from my RP. If I wanted to hear bickering and political BS I could just watch any news channel to get their SLANT, I play on FRC to get away from all of that and submerge myself into a Fantasy setting. I am not trying to tell anyone what to do or twist them to my view. I personally just think we should leave the politics to those sites geared for that and keep FRC for good RP discussions. This is purely my opinion on the subject and I am not trying to ruffle or direct this to anyone in particular. Have fun and good RP.
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Post by DM Justicar - Creator of FRC on Sept 26, 2005 23:32:52 GMT -5
Well, this is but one small topic in a sea of many. Anvil, I will forgive your political leanings because you are a fantastic person and a good pal. ;D I am sure you feel terrible for your political beliefs, and I forgive you for choosing the lesser party. ;D I am being totally sarcastic, btw, and hope that is very, very clear... Some things (like war and foreign/domestic policy) are just meant to be disagreed upon, and yes we all have beliefs as to who is right, and who is wrong. I very, very rarely give any hints to my political stance, though I suppose I just threw my cards out there. One great thing though is that we discourse in a civil manner here, and rarely on these sorts of things. I remember a few months ago when the topic of politics came up, and that sucked... and here we are again. Not much has changed since then, and I don't expect much to change in the next coming months politically, or the next couple of years for that matter. I could rant for weeks and weeks on politics, and I think it is important to note that I try and bite my tongue almost every time something political hits the forums. As I get older though, I just can't stomach the thought of a protracted action in the middle east, or anywhere for that matter, unless freedom is truly at stake. Which in my (worthless) opinion, it is not in this case. I guess I have to play moderator now and lock this puppy, cause like same sex marriage, kittens and playboy playmates there is just gonna be a never ending tirade from every direction. Opinions are as they say like *BLEEP*s... ;D *I think it is best I lock this one down since even I took part in it's hijack. If I am wrong for doing it, as always, PM me. ** I also forgot to mention that I think Anvil is correct in pointing out that FRC/NWN should be a safe haven from RL BS. Cheers folks!
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