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Post by iamthecircle on Sept 2, 2021 14:42:51 GMT -5
Hi, everyone. I'm hoping to make it easier for students and teachers to connect to learn new languages. Could anyone who is interested in teaching a language list their time zone/language they'd like to teach? Please reply to this thread. I'll be repeating this request on the discord, then compiling a list here. Thanks for your help!
If you see a teacher on here you can connect with, let a DM (probably me) know. We'll help you get in-touch in game through the language school that's currently being made.
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Post by hellscream123 on Sept 2, 2021 23:12:50 GMT -5
Arician The Blue - Draconic, Mulhorandi, Damaran, Elven.
AEST afternoons at the Villa.
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Post by Warlord on Sept 2, 2021 23:26:11 GMT -5
PC Name: Birger Longsword, aka, Elder Longsword Language Access: Illuskan Timezone: EST - Usually need 1-week advanced planning Side Note: Red Knight temple for lessons PC Name: Deborah Language Access: Draconic Timezone: EST - Usually need 1-week advanced planning Side Note: Dangerous PC to dabble with PC Name: Gjurd Battleaxe Language Access: Drunken Gibberish Timezone: ESTISH Side Note: Gjurd is too lazy to teach anyone -anything- PC Name: Granny Honeycomb Language Access: Chondathan Timezone: EST - Usually need 1-week advanced planning Side Note: Be prepared to pay Granny off with a foot bunion rubbing post each lesson DM Maleficent's Kiss
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Post by koffie on Sept 3, 2021 3:23:42 GMT -5
PC name: Delaclya Relipe Language Access: Elven, Sylvan, Thieves cant, undercommon, Chondathan Timezone: GMT +1 Side note: doesnt just teach anyone, needs to have a good reason
PC name: Siphanien Language Access: Elven, Orc, Celestial, Chondathan Timezone: GMT +1 Side note: a very very busy char, schedule wise
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Post by iamthecircle on Sept 4, 2021 6:41:00 GMT -5
PC name: Gias Ogders Languages: Elven, Infernal, Orcish, Goblin Timezone: EU/Russia Side note:
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Post by brygun on Oct 16, 2021 0:40:53 GMT -5
If you have at least some Dwarven started Xandy Pebble is happy to have someone she can talk too in her fluent language.
I see more likely to help improve those who started on Dwarven as her difficulty with common would make it hard for a fresh start.
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Post by deadbeatbert on Nov 9, 2021 1:56:27 GMT -5
Anyone who knows Gideon Fax well enough has access to most of his languages.
Draconic and Undercommon are taught most, but there are others. These are generally trade skill based lessons built upon his business.
Guild members have access to all of his languages, no questions asked.
CST, but most hours can be achieved until May/June of 2022
I have taught at least four players six different languages so far.
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Post by brygun on Jan 11, 2022 7:20:54 GMT -5
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Post by DM Maleficent's Kiss on Jan 13, 2022 9:42:13 GMT -5
Thank you for bringing attention to this brygun. The changes have been made... Updated 1/13/2021 - 6. Languages learned through RP... - Players may contact any DM they like. - Added Language Teachers thread link (As an FYI to the community, the DM team is looking to make languages a more defined and dynamic system which should offer a great feel for progression and in general be more fun too. Because this is a large undertaking it may be a while so we'll continue to track progress in the above way. As soon as more information of this new system comes available we'll update the player base accordingly.)
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Post by brygun on Dec 15, 2022 14:19:02 GMT -5
I've started some people on some languages though IC meetings with my irl health issues are going slowly.
Wasn't there some guidelines about what class contents should be? like grammar?
I've tried a few forum searches and not found it yet. Can someone post the link here, if that guideline is still active.
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Post by Animayhem on Dec 15, 2022 16:53:53 GMT -5
I've started some people on some languages though IC meetings with my irl health issues are going slowly. Wasn't there some guidelines about what class contents should be? like grammar? I've tried a few forum searches and not found it yet. Can someone post the link here, if that guideline is still active. As far as I know, atm logs need to be saved and sent to dm to get credit for someone teaching a person a language. There is now a system which shows proficiency gain in a language.
Link:
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Post by iamthecircle on Dec 15, 2022 17:11:54 GMT -5
It's less that there are specific guidelines on exactly what should be taught, and more that you should just teach. Often, vocabulary is taught, if you're knowledgeable regarding languages, you can invent some cool grammar stuff to relay. Writing systems are a good point to teach. But there isn't anything specific that is required in order to get the token, it's whatever you feel constitutes having taught a language.
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Post by Animayhem on Dec 16, 2022 17:26:30 GMT -5
Yes, Marister was taught Sylvan and in turn taught another sylvan. Marister taught another Elven. A'zu'ra taught Elven to another.
They were long experiences and were fun. A bit of a pain to keep and send logs to the dm's but rewarding in the end.
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Post by DM Flash on Dec 16, 2022 18:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Dec 16, 2022 19:51:00 GMT -5
Having been in FRC for nearly 17 years now, and know of only really a few instances of one person successfully teaching another a language. That doesn't mean that it can't be done (it obviously has happened more times than I know about, two of the few times I know of I learned in this thread), or that it's even difficult - what it means is that there isn't an automated system that keeps up with it for us, and it's not really fun. It's not very motivating to arrange a roleplay and meet to just do language teaching, it's rare to find it fun I think. Not impossible, just rare.
It's my personal opinion that having the DM Team mandated as involved in language learning is a continued mistake. The vast majority of people don't find it fun to sit around and roleplay teaching languages, and that is why one player teaching another a language and having to put the DM Team in the middle of it, hasn't ever worked very well. No one really wants to do that roleplay, this is key. I play a character who is primarily a scholar and academic and even -I- don't want to do it. I know that the team just got finished revamping languages and commands for them, so I am not attempting to downplay their work at all, literally love almost every feature added.
If I can learn to resist poisons with no roleplay regarding it, or learn to leap into the air and strike all my opponents in the same single attack without roleplaying it, or leap through 10 skill ranks with one feat, without roleplaying it, why do I need to do a bunch of roleplay for something that is going to offer far less advantage than any of these things? I haven't ever really enjoyed the language learning system on FRC, it's one of the really really few bones I have to pick. Even taking the Epic Lore feat and getting the free language slot you still have to roleplay learning it.
I don't really consider learning a language to be harder than learning to brew a magical potion, or to maximize effects of a spell. The difference is that one is an automated system that allows you to pick feats automatically as you level, skill points could be used in PnP to simply learn the language with no associated roleplay, since we have a different system not tied to skill points at all, instead using a formula, I think that it should be considered that when that formula adds a language, you learned it off camera in the intervening time it took for the formula to increase. This works just as the rest does. The only training needed is existing, and gaining experience points. The game cares not that you gained an entire level off roleplay experience, it still lets you buy cleave. It doesn't care if you gained a whole level from killing ogres with a sword, you can still choose wizard as your class. Why do we treat languages differently? Languages primarily would benefit socially themed non-combatant characters who spend vast amounts of time involved in the type of academic roleplay they find fun (read as not linguistics of fake languages that we have very little source to draw from for). The only reason it's much more difficult to learn a language than say, an epic spell, is that it isn't automated. So because it isn't automated, FRC has severely limited the amount of languages people know. Even the most intelligent characters are going to have relatively few languages.
This response isn't to throw shade on the current system, it's just a personal opinion that I feel like most of the server probably shares. If NWN had a built in languages system when we started, would we have simply added FR languages in and allowed it to be automated, or would we have insisted on tearing that code out and making DMs manually allow language learning by observation only?
I'm happy that there is an actual set goal of 8 hours of roleplay, I like that about the system, as I don't think in the past it was ever defined length of time wise. I still just think it's kind of as stifling amount of roleplay to dedicate to speaking a tongue. The fun factor is suuuuper low.
My character has run a school for 15 years and I am not sure that we have had more than 1 or 2 cases of people learning one.
I also think we should address dead languages at some point, as they are still valuable to scholars, and you essentially can't learn some of them from other PCs.
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Post by vulpes on Dec 18, 2022 0:32:26 GMT -5
// still looking for Infernal... zero responses so far. Thx
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Post by EDM Entori on Dec 18, 2022 10:31:59 GMT -5
// still looking for Abyssal... zero responses so far. Thx summon a teacher! LOL - no joke
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Post by DM Private P on Dec 18, 2022 12:22:51 GMT -5
I know a guy that can teach you. Just sign the contract and a deal can be made.
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Post by Masterbard Alyster Darkharp on Dec 18, 2022 12:25:44 GMT -5
I know a guy that can teach you. Just sign the contract and a deal can be made. Contractual obligation is probably the only route to a new language for most players.
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Post by vulpes on Dec 18, 2022 15:36:41 GMT -5
// still looking for Abyssal... zero responses so far. Thx summon a teacher! LOL - no joke Actually not a bad idea ! Now I just have to find a something or other to summon devils !
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Post by DM Grizwald on Dec 18, 2022 15:46:41 GMT -5
summon a teacher! LOL - no joke Actually not a bad idea ! Now I just have to find a something or other to summon devils ! You would be surprised at how many speak Abyssal. Just have to dig deep to find them. Probably even do some terribly unsavory things.
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Post by vulpes on Dec 18, 2022 15:52:17 GMT -5
I know a guy that can teach you. Just sign the contract and a deal can be made. No more contracts for Cooper that last one was welched on and the other two ended up with a target on his back from Pazuzu and Graz'zt after a trip to the Abyss XD
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Post by DM Betelgeuse on Dec 19, 2022 6:47:44 GMT -5
Wez doez not needz noz languagez, we speakz good like proper puny humiez.
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Post by DOT on Dec 27, 2022 7:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by vulpes on Dec 27, 2022 18:32:48 GMT -5
Thanks ! I'm hoping someone can get me me a something to summon a something to teach him (all clearly above board of course), looks like the only option now !
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Post by Animayhem on Dec 27, 2022 18:57:19 GMT -5
Thanks ! I'm hoping someone can get me me a something to summon a something to teach him (all clearly above board of course), looks like the only option now ! Ask at the Enclave
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Post by DM Flash on Dec 27, 2022 19:01:05 GMT -5
// still looking for Infernal... zero responses so far. Thx PC name: Gias Ogders Languages: Elven, Infernal, Orcish, Goblin Timezone: EU/Russia Side note:
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Post by iamthecircle on Dec 27, 2022 19:53:46 GMT -5
// still looking for Infernal... zero responses so far. Thx Naturally, didn't see this until flash quoted me, thanks flash. Yo, coops dawg. I got all the solutions to your problem right here, I've taught infernal to three people, orcish to one, and elven to another. I have books on this stuff. Send me a dm and we can hash it out, language teaching is a lot of fun for me (probably because that's my job in real life, so coming up with bizarre grammatical flourishes in made-up languages is fun for me). Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I think I initially read this as abyssal somehow and just ignored it. Gias would be happy to teach Cooper Infernal, just send him a letter.
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Post by vulpes on Dec 29, 2022 7:15:19 GMT -5
// still looking for Infernal... zero responses so far. Thx Naturally, didn't see this until flash quoted me, thanks flash. Yo, coops dawg. I got all the solutions to your problem right here, I've taught infernal to three people, orcish to one, and elven to another. I have books on this stuff. Send me a dm and we can hash it out, language teaching is a lot of fun for me (probably because that's my job in real life, so coming up with bizarre grammatical flourishes in made-up languages is fun for me). Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I think I initially read this as abyssal somehow and just ignored it. Gias would be happy to teach Cooper Infernal, just send him a letter. Thanks buddy, it's a total chore for me and I would rather have the token, I will try to be a good student haha ! Actually with my new job timezones will be an issue
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Post by vulpes on Dec 29, 2022 7:33:37 GMT -5
Thanks ! I'm hoping someone can get me me a something to summon a something to teach him (all clearly above board of course), looks like the only option now ! Ask at the Enclave I tried, I couldn't find anything in the shops!
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