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Post by grivel on May 2, 2021 14:52:45 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone who attended yesterday's Greengrass festival. The Guardians do this once a year for the benefit of the players. Each year, we try to improve over the year before. This year, we included some wonderful scripting that made our raffles fairer and events like the dunk tank and tug of war more fun. In order to keep improving, we like to hear from those who attended on what they liked and didn't like.
Please let us know in this thread. We can't promise things will always be the way you want them, but at least there will not be another naked archery.
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Post by Animayhem on May 2, 2021 21:38:14 GMT -5
For those who were at Greengrass, could we please get feedback on the following?
The changes in the tunics which the properties will no longer be valid since Greengrass is over. Same for souvenirs.
The changes to thee weapons and ammo only usable with the tunic.
The changes to the ranged and melee.
The Egg Forest.
The Challenge of Strength
The Raffle
The Dunk Tank.
Having to buy food and weapons/ammo.
This was a major test for new scripts so some kinks to work out.
I know some were disappointed at the timing of events. There is room to possibly switch around some.
Please, only people who were actually there even for a short length of time.
Please keep in mind we value feedback, but this is a player run event we reserve the right to organize it as other groups have organized theirs.
Remember it is hard to accommodate all time zones but we try.
Thanks again
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Post by koffie on May 3, 2021 1:58:22 GMT -5
Would you like to receive this feedback by PM, or publicly here?
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Post by Animayhem on May 3, 2021 9:24:29 GMT -5
Here is fine and thank-you.
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Post by grivel on May 3, 2021 10:41:28 GMT -5
As long as the feedback is for the system and not personal attacks. If it is personal, please PM.
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Post by koffie on May 3, 2021 11:01:29 GMT -5
To me, the event last year was more... A relaxed feeling, where there was time to sit , laugh and chat a bit. This year I feel it was about... Rushed from event to event, there was little room in between. I had more than enough fun with the events  |
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Post by mandene on May 3, 2021 12:20:48 GMT -5
I had a lot of fun at the Greengrass. I have no complaints about the events. The scripts were a good surprise addition I liked the twist of the ranged contest. While the time between the events was short, the time from the start to the "actual start" sometimes felt stressfully long. But it didn't affect the overall fun. The one thing that felt odd IC is the overall "acceptance" of the druids. One example is the pale master red wizard. It was the character that was "pestering" the PM that was seen as public disturbance, not the half-undead Thayan necromancer with a freakish skeletal arm. I understand the OOC side of wanting all players to have fun on one sude. But some IC choices should have consequences on the other. Not an easy path, for sure. And that choice puts the Guardians in IC suspicion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 13:20:37 GMT -5
Agreed. People really need to start minding who they are openly aligning themselves with in an IC sense. Guardians being friendly to undead Thayans isn’t a good look for them IC.
Unless we want to retcon the day as being wholly OOC inclusive fun
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Post by grivel on May 3, 2021 16:37:54 GMT -5
Thank you for that. Kali is true neutral and really has a strong connection with Greengass as a non violent gathering. Outside of the festival she might have reacted differently, but your observations are noted.
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Post by waxl on May 4, 2021 8:20:40 GMT -5
I thought all the added scripting was awesome. Tug of War and Dunk tank were huge surprises that I thought worked well and were a lot of fun.
Guardians did a great job keeping the kitten herd organized all day. Thanks to all involved.
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Post by Animayhem on May 4, 2021 9:30:00 GMT -5
Greengrass is mainly a celebration of Spring. It is a place of neutrality. Outside of Greengrass, yes their would be differences. Marister is also a true neutral.
Greengrass and the celebration are not just important to druids but to al who follow nature.
To start "banning" certain groups, destroys the neutrality in my opinion of the Spirit of Greengrass.
Last year the Stoneland orcs came and their were hackles raised but things went fine. Had the red wizard do something against the feeling and spirit of the festival they would have been booted.
Time between events this year where a bit chaotic as we were working with new scripts and ideas.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 10:13:09 GMT -5
Greengrass is mainly a celebration of Spring. It is a place of neutrality. Outside of Greengrass, yes their would be differences. Marister is also a true neutral. Greengrass and the celebration are not just important to druids but to al who follow nature. To start "banning" certain groups, destroys the neutrality in my opinion of the Spirit of Greengrass. Last year the Stoneland orcs came and their were hackles raised but things went fine. Had the red wizard do something against the feeling and spirit of the festival they would have been booted. Time between events this year where a bit chaotic as we were working with new scripts and ideas. Just remember that other characters may view such things differently  |
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Post by mandene on May 4, 2021 10:56:12 GMT -5
Greengrass is mainly a celebration of Spring. It is a place of neutrality. Outside of Greengrass, yes their would be differences. Marister is also a true neutral. Greengrass and the celebration are not just important to druids but to al who follow nature. To start "banning" certain groups, destroys the neutrality in my opinion of the Spirit of Greengrass. Last year the Stoneland orcs came and their were hackles raised but things went fine. Had the red wizard do something against the feeling and spirit of the festival they would have been booted. Time between events this year where a bit chaotic as we were working with new scripts and ideas. Note, I'm not asking this to pick on anyone - just want to understand the situation. Is the neutrality, OOC-type of neutrality? Or is it IC neutrality? Those are different things. As @combatwombat said in earlier post, OOC neutrality for the fun of everyone will make everyone turn a blind eye - that's totally fine. Everyone is welcome. If it's IC neutrality, then you are opening a can of worms. Druids are neutral against a lot of things, yes. Are they neutral against "unnatural things", such as undeath? Does being non-violent mean all-accepting? Who is welcome? Are enemies of the state welcome? Are known criminals with bounties on their heads welcome? Are those with outlaw status welcome? If they are not welcome without a disguise on, then why would other bad apples be welcome? Are those that are known enemies of the Guardians welcome (those that murder your guild-members?). If this isn't a thing, lets speak hypothetically? Would Cormyr's leadership turn a blind eye towards the shenanigans of the druids in those cases? The DMs wanting everyone to have fun and be able to participate is not the same thing as Steel Regent's acceptance of the situation and giving everyone a pardon and turning a blind eye so that people can attend the party. Having said those things. I want to repeat - Greengrass was great and I had a lot of fun. This isn't a complaint... more of a lengthy nitpick. |
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Post by ShadowCatJen on May 4, 2021 13:29:33 GMT -5
Wanted to chime in before the thread got too off topic....
The scripts were great. It allowed for the event to be more about the RP of the event rather than the mechanics of it. It really showed during the raffle when there wasn't any dice bag confusion.
If these scripts could also be used for other events then it should make it easier for all involved.
I'll agree with the flow of the event feeling almost a little rushed with no time to socialize. The only thing I could think was that there were no planned performances, just an open stage for any to take. Unfortunately if they took the stage, they'd miss the event.
With the only outlier being the egg hunt where the only bard present was occupied (cough cough) any laid back socializing took a back seat.
Though if that's the only negative to an event filled day I'd say it's worth the exchange.
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Post by Animayhem on May 4, 2021 22:32:36 GMT -5
Neutrality is in character. It is a festival put on by a private group open to the public. We are not the law.
We have no way of knowing the true character of those who come. People often come in costume or different dress than they normally do.
Yes there was a red wizard, red wizards are allowed in Cormyr and they have enclaves.
Had the wizard raised undead or turned someone undead at the festival then naturally we would ask him to leave.
Two orcs were there and many were not happy. If we started to grill and police in game it would be in my opinion metagaming and bring ooc into and ic situation.
Socializing did happen during the events. Hopefully things will run smoother next year.
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Post by Animayhem on May 5, 2021 0:31:37 GMT -5
For those who participated in the Last target Standing (ranged) and the Tooth and Claw(melee)
What were your thoughts?
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Post by Animayhem on May 5, 2021 0:55:36 GMT -5
Wanted to chime in before the thread got too off topic.... The scripts were great. It allowed for the event to be more about the RP of the event rather than the mechanics of it. It really showed during the raffle when there wasn't any dice bag confusion. If these scripts could also be used for other events then it should make it easier for all involved. I'll agree with the flow of the event feeling almost a little rushed with no time to socialize. The only thing I could think was that there were no planned performances, just an open stage for any to take. Unfortunately if they took the stage, they'd miss the event. With the only outlier being the egg hunt where the only bard present was occupied (cough cough) any laid back socializing took a back seat. Though if that's the only negative to an event filled day I'd say it's worth the exchange. Thanks. |
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Post by mandene on May 5, 2021 6:39:15 GMT -5
Neutrality is in character. It is a festival put on by a private group open to the public. We are not the law.
We have no way of knowing the true character of those who come. People often come in costume or different dress than they normally do.
Yes there was a red wizard, red wizards are allowed in Cormyr and they have enclaves.
Had the wizard raised undead or turned someone undead at the festival then naturally we would ask him to leave.
Two orcs were there and many were not happy. If we started to grill and police in game it would be in my opinion metagaming and bring ooc into and ic situation.
Socializing did happen during the events. Hopefully things will run smoother next year.
Thanks for the explanation Animayhem. Of course you can police your own event, it is yours after all. It's up to you who is welcome. But even though it's private party, I'm sure even the Guardians are aware that harboring criminals is against the law. It's one thing to "hide your neutrality" by the less acceptable participants keeping a loe profile, qnother by blatantly and publicly disobeying the Crown. Yes people were in hiding and wearing costumes. At least one to me ooc known PM was there hiding their arm. The insident that brought this up is a PM not hiding theirs. Urbucheck's orcs are acceptable by law. They wore the right colors before entering. Red Wizards, although disliked by many are also accepted by law in Cormyr (as long as they follow the law). I'm unsure if being partially undead (or at least wearing grafted undead body parts) is outlawed. The thing was that the person in question didn't even try to hide it. If I was to play around with this id absurdum. Would NPC undead like vampires be welcome to participate? Wererats? Goblins? Again, thanks for explaining. IC means we can take it from there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 6:41:26 GMT -5
Goblins can come. They throw the best parties.
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Post by mandene on May 5, 2021 7:11:44 GMT -5
Goblins can come. They throw the best parties. Naw, the undead pirates do. |
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Post by malclave on May 5, 2021 7:28:19 GMT -5
Goblins can come. They throw the best parties. Well, yeah, when you've got Bowie for live entertainment... |
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Post by Animayhem on May 5, 2021 9:29:13 GMT -5
For those who participated in the Last target Standing (ranged) and the Tooth and Claw(melee)
What were your thoughts?
Barring the dm technical mishap. All answers to questions and feedback spectators can answer as well. |
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Post by mandene on May 5, 2021 10:42:44 GMT -5
I usually find the requirements for removing all magic as weird. But that's just taste and I have no complaints about it.
I missed tha melee, so I can't say anything about it.
I find the tactical side of ranged competition interesting. Though by how it's organized, you still can't say it is he best ranged person that won. But in this case it doesn't matter either. The verdict is - it's fun and well done.
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