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Post by Dobian on Oct 11, 2019 23:25:56 GMT -5
Just a reminder, when you intend to break from a party, particularly if it is multiple players that causes the entire party to dissolve, remember to send the party leader an OOC courtesy message first with an explanation.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 12, 2019 0:51:52 GMT -5
It's nice to get an explanation if somebody drops in the middle of a dungeon, but if it happens, it doesn't have to be OOC. If no other explanation prevails, treat it as in-character.
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Post by Dobian on Oct 12, 2019 0:56:47 GMT -5
It's nice to get an explanation if somebody drops in the middle of a dungeon, but if it happens, it doesn't have to be OOC. If no other explanation prevails, treat it as in-character. It's player courtesy that longtime players should understand so they don't waste people's valuable time. It's bad form.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 12, 2019 7:35:37 GMT -5
It's nice to get an explanation if somebody drops in the middle of a dungeon, but if it happens, it doesn't have to be OOC. If no other explanation prevails, treat it as in-character. It's player courtesy that longtime players should understand so they don't waste people's valuable time. It's bad form. I'm not sure that it is bad form. Characters can leave an adventuring party for any number of reasons, and I don't see how an out-of-character explanation is expected, or even always a good idea, particularly if the player thinks it will break the dramatic tension created by their character leaving. An in-character explanation is important if the character is a courteous character, but sometimes a character being rude, or leaving in a huff, or without a sound, is exactly the effect that is intended. On an out-of-character level, nobody owes anyone else an explanation when they have to leave, or even if they just want to leave. Will it hurt them socially with the players if they don't provide one? Possibly, if the players take it as an out-of-character action, but they still may be more comfortable leaving without explanation than feeling as though they have to explain themselves--particularly if they really don't want to be there. It's nice and polite to explain why you're leaving, but it's by no means an obligation. Your initial post makes it sound like an obligation. Just a reminder, when you intend to break from a party, particularly if it is multiple players that causes the entire party to dissolve, remember to send the party leader an OOC courtesy message first with an explanation. It's always possible to ask OOC why they left too, if you really need to know. They're under no obligation to tell you why they left though.
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Post by lucid on Oct 12, 2019 9:55:05 GMT -5
It's bad form because of extremely common Third Party OOC stuff that can delay a character but we have to use RP Sandpaper to smooth it over. If you slink away, and leave us hanging, we are going to make the OOC decision to stand there waiting for you, making up stupid RP of convenience to explain it away. If you are not coming back, we are all left with our butts firmly gripped in our hands in this fashion until someone finally decides "screw 'em" and we move on.
The usual guess for "where's Waldo" is 90% of the time "oh he's probably been Enhanced", and if not, it could be "oh RL forced him to ninja, let's wait". Waaaay down on the list will be "oh he IC decided to bugger off in the middle of a dungeon crawl, abandoning his share of loot and compromising the party's effectiveness possibly to the point where we must now turn back". In fact I daresay, anyone in the party who assumes it is this last one, when in fact it's one of the others, will come off as a bit of a jerk for not waiting.
If you have made the IC decision to split, that is great, but you should not, not, not expect everyone to just know this is Legit Pissing Off and not one of countless other possibilities. It's every bit your right to do this. But nobody is going to guess this is what you chose, because most of the time, it isn't. Say something so we don't stand about playing ThumbSpin before we finally figure it out.
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Post by Dobian on Oct 12, 2019 10:21:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure that it is bad form. Characters can leave an adventuring party for any number of reasons, and I don't see how an out-of-character explanation is expected, or even always a good idea, particularly if the player thinks it will break the dramatic tension created by their character leaving. On an out-of-character level, nobody owes anyone else an explanation when they have to leave, or even if they just want to leave. Will it hurt them socially with the players if they don't provide one?  There was nothing IC about it. Sure you can say nobody owes you an explanation. Like if I scheduled time in real life to go to a show with you, and you showed up at my house, and we drove to the show, and while standing in line afriend of yours shows up and the two of you just suddenly split for no reason. That's your right. And it's my right not to waste my time with you anymore for being such a flake.
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Post by Animayhem on Oct 12, 2019 10:40:58 GMT -5
Just a reminder, when you intend to break from a party, particularly if it is multiple players that causes the entire party to dissolve, remember to send the party leader an OOC courtesy message first with an explanation. This is good form but as DM Munroe said not required. If someone does drop out of party it could be due to technical issues like "getting ee'd" or maybe a game crash so as a courtesy the party could wait for maybe like 10 minutes to see if they come back. We usually rp as a call of nature. If we do decide to move on we usually go a bit slower in case they log back. Sometimes we miss an in game clues as to why an ooc party drop.
This does not mean I will not party up with that person again but if it is a repeat pattern not due to technical then yes I will no longer party.
I have had instances were I got disconnected for technical reasons but party did not wait and when I did get back on some said "Oh I thought you left."
I agree and try to let people know, Even if you aree are ooc pissed or ic pissed at a party member you can say something like gotta go rl calls.
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Post by Dobian on Oct 12, 2019 10:44:57 GMT -5
Just a reminder, when you intend to break from a party, particularly if it is multiple players that causes the entire party to dissolve, remember to send the party leader an OOC courtesy message first with an explanation. This is good form but as DM Munroe said not required. If someone does drop out of party it could be due to technical issues like "getting ee'd" or maybe a game crash so as a courtesy the party could wait for maybe like 10 minutes to see if they come back. We usually rp as a call of nature. If we do decide to move on we usually go a bit slower in case they log back. Sometimes we miss an in game clues as to why an ooc party drop. This does not mean I will not party up with that person again but if it is a repeat pattern not due to technical then yes I will no longer party. I have had instances were I got disconnected for technical reasons but party did not wait and when I did get back on some said "Oh I thought you left." I agree and try to let people know, Even if you aree are ooc pissed or ic pissed at a party member you can say something like gotta go rl calls.
It was wasn't technical issues It wasn't real life intervening It was people being social retards
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Post by malclave on Oct 12, 2019 10:47:12 GMT -5
And I thought this thread was going to be about the finer points of dunking bread in your beer without sloshing and holding out your pinky finger while guzzling Triple Bock...
Anyway, I can only say it's situational when leaving a party, and I can't really tell from the OP what was going on, especially with the reference to multiple characters leaving. I think it is proper etiquette to let people know if OOC matters are causing you to leave (if possible), and if it's IC hopefully it's been RPd. But that's mostly to let the others know not to wait for you to log back on. A brief explanation would be nice, but that's extra.
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Post by crawlingchaos63 on Oct 12, 2019 11:16:56 GMT -5
yeah im social retarded, thanks a lot ....
I left the party cause I didn't like the person in the area and was about to PvP him. I gave rp reason and politely excused myself. now your refusing to allow me to travel with you and your calling ME names?
nuff said, I get the hint....
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Post by Animayhem on Oct 12, 2019 11:33:36 GMT -5
yeah im social retarded, thanks a lot ....
I left the party cause I didn't like the person in the area and was about to PvP him. I gave rp reason and politely excused myself. now your refusing to allow me to travel with you and your calling ME names?
nuff said, I get the hint....
Yes I was there and I heard him say the reason. I followed after him out of concern
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Post by Dobian on Oct 12, 2019 13:50:45 GMT -5
There was no reason to break party. Breaking party was an OOC thing. It ended any chance of going someplace else, for which I had already given options.
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Post by Animayhem on Oct 12, 2019 14:06:29 GMT -5
There was no reason to break party. Breaking party was an OOC thing. It ended any chance of going someplace else, for which I had already given options. If you had paid attention. Shar had ticked off Otter in game and Otter left rather than starting a fight. So that was his rp for leaving. Yea party collapse happens we just deal with it.
You could of followed Otter and asked why. A'zu'ra did. Veril said the group was to big to do the innkeepers task and left. You could of come out and we could of discussed plans as a group you did not and left on your accord.
Yea time is valuable and many times I have had plans dashed but meh its a game.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 12, 2019 19:20:32 GMT -5
It's bad form because of extremely common Third Party OOC stuff that can delay a character but we have to use RP Sandpaper to smooth it over. If you slink away, and leave us hanging, we are going to make the OOC decision to stand there waiting for you, making up stupid RP of convenience to explain it away. If you are not coming back, we are all left with our butts firmly gripped in our hands in this fashion until someone finally decides "screw 'em" and we move on. The usual guess for "where's Waldo" is 90% of the time "oh he's probably been Enhanced", and if not, it could be "oh RL forced him to ninja, let's wait". Waaaay down on the list will be "oh he IC decided to bugger off in the middle of a dungeon crawl, abandoning his share of loot and compromising the party's effectiveness possibly to the point where we must now turn back". In fact I daresay, anyone in the party who assumes it is this last one, when in fact it's one of the others, will come off as a bit of a jerk for not waiting. If you have made the IC decision to split, that is great, but you should not, not, not expect everyone to just know this is Legit Pissing Off and not one of countless other possibilities. It's every bit your right to do this. But nobody is going to guess this is what you chose, because most of the time, it isn't. Say something so we don't stand about playing ThumbSpin before we finally figure it out. OK, so you're talking about people logging off. I read this as people just breaking party and going to do their own thing, while still playing the game. That's a different issue entirely than what you're saying, but it fits the description of the initial post. (That's why I suggested sending them a /tell. I understood Dobian to mean that they were still playing, they just left the party.) As for people logging off without reason, it happens. It sucks when it happens, perhaps moreso for them. I mean, when they log back in, unless the server has reset, they're still standing in the dungeon. Sometimes (though rarely) they log off because they're rude, but mostly it's due to technical issues. Though occasionally it's because they fell asleep. Still, that's a different issue than I was talking about. In that case, say I'm in the middle of the Underdark with them, I give them 10 minutes (easily long enough to reboot and get back online if it's possible), then work from the assumption that they're not coming back. Ten minutes is all anyone should expect you to wait either way. Sometimes that means turning back in an adventure because you lost your tank or your nova, and it sucks. I generally don't know the reason they flaked out, but I assume it's a good reason if it's that abrupt.
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Post by Dobian on Oct 12, 2019 20:15:51 GMT -5
There was no reason to break party. Breaking party was an OOC thing. It ended any chance of going someplace else, for which I had already given options. If you had paid attention. Shar had ticked off Otter in game and Otter left rather than starting a fight. So that was his rp for leaving. Yea party collapse happens we just deal with it. You could of followed Otter and asked why. A'zu'ra did. Veril said the group was to big to do the innkeepers task and left. You could of come out and we could of discussed plans as a group you did not and left on your accord. Yea time is valuable and many times I have had plans dashed but meh its a game.
Asked why he left? My character knew why he left. Asked why he broke party? He didn't break party and neither did A'Zur'Ra, a player breaks party, it's a game mechanic. When you break party, there is no group. That signals to other players that there is no intention to continue adventuring. Why break party to form the party again? That makes no sense. But whatever. But yes, I was over the top about "social retard" so sorry about that.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Oct 12, 2019 20:20:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure that it is bad form. Characters can leave an adventuring party for any number of reasons, and I don't see how an out-of-character explanation is expected, or even always a good idea, particularly if the player thinks it will break the dramatic tension created by their character leaving. On an out-of-character level, nobody owes anyone else an explanation when they have to leave, or even if they just want to leave. Will it hurt them socially with the players if they don't provide one? There was nothing IC about it. Sure you can say nobody owes you an explanation. Like if I scheduled time in real life to go to a show with you, and you showed up at my house, and we drove to the show, and while standing in line afriend of yours shows up and the two of you just suddenly split for no reason. That's your right. And it's my right not to waste my time with you anymore for being such a flake. dont go adventure with that person. I find it funny people really get upset over this. It's far from bad form to leave a party for any reason. No one on this server is obligated to explain anything least of all OOC this is a RP server. I know people Irl that dip out without saying good bye.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Oct 12, 2019 20:22:55 GMT -5
There was no reason to break party. Breaking party was an OOC thing. It ended any chance of going someplace else, for which I had already given options. not from the sounds it was completely IC hell Aris broke parties because he killed the person in the party.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Oct 12, 2019 20:25:37 GMT -5
To me this just sounds like the OP feelings got hurt over IC actions. Then came here to vent rather then get a PA involved.
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Post by Dobian on Oct 13, 2019 0:06:45 GMT -5
To me this just sounds like the OP feelings got hurt over IC actions. Then came here to vent rather then get a PA involved. My feelings never get hurt on here. I don't like my time being wasted after I work all day. And I can vent anywhere I effing feel like.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Oct 13, 2019 0:41:29 GMT -5
To me this just sounds like the OP feelings got hurt over IC actions. Then came here to vent rather then get a PA involved. My feelings never get hurt on here. I don't like my time being wasted after I work all day. And I can vent anywhere I effing feel like. again feelings hurt. If you feel that strongly rather then dragging this on the forums contact a PA if you feel it is needed. Your post here to me has seemed of a temper tantrum.
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Post by Raven on Oct 13, 2019 2:22:50 GMT -5
I think we shall lock this thread and let opinions vary. The arguments are no longer constructive in my mind.
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