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Post by ShadowCatJen on May 7, 2019 18:05:43 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the original point is starting to get washed out here. Again, I am not talking about "mistake" running due to dated NWN mechanics. Again, I am not talking about new players who are new to the server or new to NWN. I am talking about players who have been here long enough to have 1) seen or had the rule of no running without an RP reason pointed out to them and 2) have "leveled out" of the Greatgaunt starting area. I am also talking about the frequency in which I've seen it since re-starting in February. February, three months, and I've seen tons of "runners". When I saw three PCs in the span of two days run to the barkeep, then run to the inn rooms without so much as an IC acknowledgment other PCs in the common room in a non-starter town. . . that's when I felt something needed to be said. And before you ask, yes, all three times the PCs sitting in the inn said or emoted something, so we weren't afk-and-silent. We were RPing to our heart's content and had our PC's wondering IC where the fire was at. Give whatever excuses you want or suggest any added mechanics/scripts you want, ultimately it can all be resolved by folks just doing one thing: Slow down. That's it. That's all you have to do. It's not complicated, guys. My two copper. Oh, and to the Conan thing I'll just say this: NWN doesn't have a Montage Mode
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Post by Razgriz on May 7, 2019 18:10:24 GMT -5
Best Exhaustion script is found on (sadly) Prisoners of the Mist. Not sure what level of espionage will be required to get it from there, though. That one hits you from running and fighting, both. It had several increasing levels of exhaustion, which would apply various dice penalties and slowness effects. I would really like this sort of script in place because I HATE the way people get so damn condescending and superior about this topic. "Ohhh you ran two steps, clearly you are a crappy roleplayer." It is a kneejerk reaction to EVERY situation now. I agree that most of the time, it's just someone being OOC. But when it isn't? You still get that treatment, there is zero opportunity for my wild elf to be a distance runner. I mean it's deep into her RP, you ask "How are you", she replies "I run yet." You ask "Are you wounded", she replies "I can run." People LEAP at the opportunity to snub over this, without thought, without measure, without any sort of judgement, just turn the nose skyward, and it really just turns me off. "Clearly you just want to cheat, so you built that into your RP." Bah. I mean just look at these jerks here. Worst characters ever. Nobody would EVER want to emulate a character like this. They certainly wouldn't create an entire base character class modeled on him as the poster child. Nobody even watches his movie anymore because he and his buddy run non-stop across the plains for four straight days. UNREALISM! Sorry for sass leak but them's the feels. The issue is that some seem to be doing to save time OOC or whatever. They are likely not doing it to catch up the Uruk-Hai that are taking the Hobbits to Isengard or because the White Walkers are coming; they are running because it is usually the most efficient form of movement ingame and it is free. I'd say people should be allowed to run, as long as they can demonstrate somehow that the intent is IC and not just to grind faster.
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Post by xeneize on May 7, 2019 18:13:54 GMT -5
I personally don't want to see any script that limits the ability to walk/run in the game. If there are people that need to be corrected then better to pull them apart and do so rather than punish the many for it.
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Post by malclave on May 7, 2019 18:23:42 GMT -5
When I saw three PCs in the span of two days run to the barkeep, then run to the inn rooms without so much as an IC acknowledgment other PCs in the common room in a non-starter town. . . that's when I felt something needed to be said. And before you ask, yes, all three times the PCs sitting in the inn said or emoted something, so we weren't afk-and-silent. We were RPing to our heart's content and had our PC's wondering IC where the fire was at. Maybe they really had to pee.
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Post by Eldok on May 7, 2019 20:08:00 GMT -5
I personally don't want to see any script that limits the ability to walk/run in the game. If there are people that need to be corrected then better to pull them apart and do so rather than punish the many for it. It’s not a punishment at all, a script which would limit the ability to run would be a great add, trust me.
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Post by dwarvenkoff on May 7, 2019 21:36:05 GMT -5
If it mistriggers because it can't account for things it'll be the same issue.
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Post by ShadowCatJen on May 8, 2019 9:27:57 GMT -5
Again, you're complicating the issue. I'm just going to cut and paste these two things.
From the main FRC Rules:
A quote from a retired DM:
My post was just to remind players of this.
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Post by malclave on May 8, 2019 10:29:59 GMT -5
Now I woul be glad to understand who is character who sit in ambush and try to catch another characters who run (break rules). I don't think anyone's doing that. The running characters are just being observed during gameplay... as far as I know there's nobody hiding behind billboards just waiting for someone to run past.
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Post by davenutninja408 on May 8, 2019 15:25:03 GMT -5
Now I'm just going to preface this with, I'm still fairly new (few months at most) and while I consider myself acclimated to the rules of the server, specifically in this case about running.
Is all this really necessary? The amount of petty vitriol is amusing but not really required, if they are in fact understanding of the rules shouldn't a screencap and a pm to a DM/staff be the most efficient method of solving the issue? Is a whole thread shaming people for running really needed? Maybe a direct tell to the player to the tune of "In a hurry?" Or even "Running around like that is frowned upon." might help. In my experience working with people, positive reinforcement usually brings about the best results. But like I said when I started this post I'm still fairly new and learning the culture of the players in the server. But the end goal of it all is to have fun, how is shaming people fun? Shouldn't the response have been to try and reach out and coach said player/s into proper behavior? I'm sure this all reads very defensively because it is, I know I'm guilty of running here and there when I probably shouldn't have been, but Sy needs some cardio (prolly doesn't help I spend a lot of time around monks who are very difficult to keep up with)!
But in all seriousness, couldn't this issue have been resolved by keeping a list of those 'runners' and possibly pming a DM to chat with them?
My two coppers.
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Post by hellscream123 on May 8, 2019 20:46:36 GMT -5
//the following is purely opinon and not an inherently greater statementthan anyone else's just because i have a special nametag. *ahem*
Tangent note: which would feel better. A non specific community discussion reminding that the prefered until otherwise emoted or given reason movement method was walking, not running. In which someone happens to be disappointed from a state of the server community they originally had.
Or a direct message from the proverbial overlords "I have received messages and proof you have been running around without due course"
One is a personally feeling spread across the whole community in shared discourse. In attempts to explain, adjust and remind of the servers stated rules and goals. The other is a highly directed finger point. Tally listing people silently is also unfair on their possible growth.
Though i 10000% agree: remind runners in game, to Rp their running. Or please slow down. Everyone that plays is always free to remind each other and confirm the rules in play. A quick tell can go a long way.
If anyone see's trends of actions in game, they are and should feel free to bring them to light and discuss them here. Running oocly has been a long standing discussion weighed upon multiple times. However the forum easily buries these discussions and thus new one's grow out of actions server-side.
More directly if you run for purely ooc reasons. Please find a suitable reason in character and emote this reason in your play. Running is still an expected part of RP. You are expected to rp everything your character does in the world-space. That includes your cardio. That includes being alone. That includes discribing whst you're doing and the impact is has upon you. Hells take it as combat rp practise to type betwix clicks and actions. It's a tricky skill but makes dungeoneering 1000% better.
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Post by hellscream123 on May 9, 2019 1:23:29 GMT -5
Emotes when running... Good. Is it means, if I harry to meeting, I have to tell continuously some like 'Oh, how it difficulty to run? Please keep road free, I'm hurry to meeting with my teammates?' Or something like 'Open the door, my wife is waiting for me for the lunch. If I will be not in time, she will keep me hangry?'. Or 'My horse did not run a lot of time. It becomes weaker. I have to galloping horseback, as minimum, 5km every day to keep it in condition'. Maybe, examples are rude, but, I hope, idea is clear. I mean what i said. Characters are expected to emote their reasonings while playing. Either via descriptions of their actions and it's appearence or indeed statements like the one's you offered. One cannot assume the description of an action off of the game models along. Thst is why we *emote* to describe.
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Post by nemusator on May 9, 2019 2:56:37 GMT -5
Hellscream has been both patient and kind and took time to explain you everything in detail. Thai shall not troll tha hand which types answers to yar questions! Also I think I heard a padlock shackle...
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Post by Southpaw on May 9, 2019 5:46:09 GMT -5
While it’s a nice touch, nobody is obligated to emote while running. “Keeping it in character” means having an in character reason, not emoting. No amount of emoting will make bouncing from loot pile to loot pile in a movement pattern that defies the physical laws of momentum in character. No lack of emoting will make running to escape a monster or get a rescue party for your fallen comrades out of character. Emoting is a higher level of role play, but it is not a break of the rules to run with IC reason, but no emotes.
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Post by DM Maleficent's Kiss on May 9, 2019 9:52:19 GMT -5
Suggestion: rule "18. Do not run unless your character has a roleplay reason" ==> move to position number 2 in list of rules, because it is key of FRC life. It is part of the key life of FRC or was until the RP-lite culture mentality crept in and decided this was even a debatable topic to begin with. Being higher up the list of rules makes it no more or less important than all of the other rules(they are all to be followed and respected by EVERYONE). Also, these rules are easy to follow, they aren't to be rules to hinder you but rules that protect the integrity of a RP heavy server atmosphere. Here's the deal everyone, this issue is one that is going to take a village to correct, and maintain when it comes to the RP standard most of us want to see here. The team can police this and excessive OOC chat/actions day and night but hellscream is right on the money in that friendly tells and encouragement are the much preferred way to go about this. RP with a high standard, expect a high standard from those around you, guide and coach those who need it, use positive and encouraging peer pressure, lead by example, and in the process we will all see a better RP world.
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Post by manicpixie on May 10, 2019 1:12:39 GMT -5
I'm not going to defend running or say it should be allowed but now that I've been playing this game for a pretty long time I get the impulse. The areas are very large and frankly not that interesting to look at especially when repeatedly visited (NWN graphics have a quaint and familiar charm but really haven't aged well.) Combine that with limited play time and wanting to get the most out of it and uneventful walking from point A to point B can be quite frustrating.
I would love it if walking speed was bumped up about 20% across the board somehow. Yes, I know this will never happen and probably isn't possible. No, I will not run around all the time on FRC. But........ I understand why people do.
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Post by xeneize on May 10, 2019 4:47:47 GMT -5
I personally tend to ignore tells of any nature that are aimed at judging my roleplay in any form or shape. I see one, or ten running characters around, my characters will think in most cases they are simply in a hurry and move on with the day. I make of these things part of the 'immersion' atmosphere because I -know- that encountering people running about is a common thing in the everyday life, no matter what age you research.
The concept of immersion breaking is subjective and it is only up to each of us as individuals to deal with. That there are rules concerning the running about are, in my opinion, simply means to make sure we keep in mind we always have roleplay reasons to do so, as is pretty much everything else. I'm never going to let anyone dictate how I manage my characters.
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Post by Razgriz on May 10, 2019 7:27:46 GMT -5
So many combat oriented feats, and yet the developers never thought about an Epic Speed feat. No, Blinding Speed is a joke to begin with.
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Post by Calliope on May 11, 2019 10:15:57 GMT -5
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Post by Raven Credale on May 11, 2019 10:44:39 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like Monks should get a widget they can toggle to walk like a normal person. I play a monk and sometimes when she's on dates, she's a mile ahead of her lover when rp wise they're holding hands. For me that breaks the immersion because in my head I see Mr. Fantastics arms on my pc.
Do I like the speed? Yeah works great for when she's mad and storms ahead of others as well as moving from one enemy to the next so she's not killed. Do I think it's practical for dates with non-monk characters? Nope. Rather hard to hold hands with someone a mile behind you or three feet ahead if your trying to stealth.
Just my two cents on the issue.
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Post by malclave on May 11, 2019 12:30:37 GMT -5
Of course, life is short, but no any reason to hurry in game. Try to relax a little bit. Bueller?
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Post by Windhover on May 11, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like Monks should get a widget they can toggle to walk like a normal person. I play a monk and sometimes when she's on dates, she's a mile ahead of her lover when rp wise they're holding hands. For me that breaks the immersion because in my head I see Mr. Fantastics arms on my pc. Do I like the speed? Yeah works great for when she's mad and storms ahead of others as well as moving from one enemy to the next so she's not killed. Do I think it's practical for dates with non-monk characters? Nope. Rather hard to hold hands with someone a mile behind you or three feet ahead if your trying to stealth. Just my two cents on the issue. Easy. Activate the autofollow widget on them, and then you walk at their speed. Norah no longer dates "slow walkers".
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Post by malclave on May 11, 2019 13:57:55 GMT -5
Sorry, but I do not watch this TV series. (last few years I'm tired to watch TV). 😂 It's actually a movie from the 1980s... your statement just reminded me of it.
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Post by lucid on May 13, 2019 12:22:14 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like Monks should get a widget they can toggle to walk like a normal person. I play a monk and sometimes when she's on dates, she's a mile ahead of her lover when rp wise they're holding hands. For me that breaks the immersion because in my head I see Mr. Fantastics arms on my pc. Do I like the speed? Yeah works great for when she's mad and storms ahead of others as well as moving from one enemy to the next so she's not killed. Do I think it's practical for dates with non-monk characters? Nope. Rather hard to hold hands with someone a mile behind you or three feet ahead if your trying to stealth. Just my two cents on the issue. Easy. Activate the autofollow widget on them, and then you walk at their speed. Norah no longer dates "slow walkers".
Equip a buckler or craft date dresses from leather or padded armor, you’ll lose the speed bonus.
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Post by Fint on May 13, 2019 19:16:18 GMT -5
So I gave it a few months playing here before saying anything about this. And, yes, I know this is a subject that has several threads already written on it, but it always seems those get ignored. To that end I figured I'd post some observations on a new thread. I have seen more PCs running since I restarted playing here more than I have in the entire time I'd been playing on FRC. No, I'm not talking about in and around Greatgaunt with new people coming in and needing to be told to walk through towns because they didn't know of the RP stance of walking on FRC. That sort of running is to be expected and those of us who've been on for a while know we need to try and coach people like that. No, I'm not talking about the inherent mechanical problem that Elves and Monk PCs have with walking and how they occasionally run a short distance when they really meant to walk. That part is understandable because of "NWN mechanic lulz" and the player in question will always do their best to recover from that misclick. I'm talking about people who've obviously been on the server for a while, know what they're supposed to be doing, and completely ignoring it just because they think they're not being watched. In the last two days alone I've seen at least three people running, not just in town, but in a tavern, to the barkeep and then straight upstairs. Three people and, again, not in Greatgaunt. Also on the road travels that I've had Myn take I've seen dozens of PCs running from loot pile to loot pile. Fairly much ignoring everything around them. Just because they don't see that one PC lurking in the trees, hiding. People assuming that just because they're not seen then it is okay to just dine-and-dash their way across the server. Worse, I had someone flat out come up right behind my character to the loot pile she was standing next to, spawn the enemies, had the enemies aggro on them .... then when they noticed my PC standing there they said "the stuff is yours" and then ran back to the road to walk away. They left my character to deal with the enemy on her own. Yep, that's right! Someone flat out abandoned a person with enemies baring down on them. This is a PC who is not or has not put themselves forward as someone "evil" so it wasn't an evil act or even "neutral" act. This was just someone who was so OOC with the way they handle the mechanic on the server (i.e. running from loot to loot and assuming everyone else is out there doing the same thing) that their character came off as an awful individual and ignored any chance for incidental RP on the road. This is not the way you're supposed to RP, folks. It's immersion breaking and showing a severe lack of patience on a good score of "regular" players on the server here. It's highly disappointing to see to say the least. I know I'm going to get some flack from some of you and you'll pile on reasons why you (not your character) would run from place to place, but in all honesty I kinda don't care. I've seen way too much of it over the last month and a half. I did try to think that maybe it was just a rare occurrence, but no. It's been frequent enough and consistent enough that something needed to be said. So to that end I'm going to say ... STOP. RUNNING. EVERYWHERE.I don't care if you don't think anyone isn't around to see you run. Just don't do it. I don't care if you're short on RL time and have to run like that if you want to get your daily allotted XP. You shouldn't be on at all if you're that short on time. Just stop. Seriously.
I might not have played for some time.But i was planning on saying hello. I learned back in 2006-8 from my fellow friends that it is not done to run. Motivate your character,enjoy and immerse all the people you play with. Set an example for how you like to see roleplay played. Have fun ,not everyone has days.Some just have a few..2 hours to spare per week...Who knows. Consideration +. I was one of those people who got told why not to run back in the days of 2007. Don'forget to rp your best and make it a wonderfull time for everyone. (i missed my chances but it doesn't mean i love you all nontheless) And i just had in mind to say hello to you all, i have not forgotten about you. Greets Fint *Where is the grass greener?*
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