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Post by StabbingNirvana on Feb 8, 2019 0:46:02 GMT -5
So, let's say someone is in a monk or paladin order that allows cross classing into multiple classes.
Example being an order that allows cross classng into fighter and/or cleric. Would the monk/paladin be able to freely multiclass into both those classes or just choose one of those classes to multiclass into?
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Post by Munroe on Feb 8, 2019 0:53:46 GMT -5
So, let's say someone is in a monk or paladin order that allows cross classing into multiple classes. Example being an order that allows cross classng into fighter and/or cleric. Would the monk/paladin be able to freely multiclass into both those classes or just choose one of those classes to multiclass into? If they're in an order that allows multi-classing freely as both then both are possible to be taken at the same time, as long as they don't otherwise violate FRC's multi-classing restrictions. (Only one prestige class is allowed on FRC, for instance.) So if the order says "may multi-class freely as cleric, fighter..." then it is possible to multi-class freely as either or both. They're both available freely. However, if it doesn't say "freely" then there are other restrictions. Some monk orders require that there be more monk levels than any other class, for instance. |
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Post by trauson on Feb 10, 2019 22:47:04 GMT -5
Hi Munroe. We have having a bit of a discussion here xD. I know by the rules for example i am a Paladin of Bahamut and my deity doesnt have any order in D&D 3.5 , ive been discussing whit various dms about this and other players. I want to be a dragon disciple as Bahamuitan would make sense that someone whit draconic heritage is a disciple of Bahamut , Due server limitations i cannot get the sorcerer class but in some instances there has been pnp legal bards and also you can always hop back and forth in alligment As an ex paladin who becomes lawful good again can recover his favor whit his deity. The thing is... You can start as a paladin lvl up to the lvl that you desire to be as a paladin , then go bard in neutral good , then get your dragon disciple lvls...
Since when you multiclass outside of a order in the book is simple as you cannot progress any longer in your paladin lvls but you can still posses the power that you were holding up to that moment meanwhile you keep your alligment and code.
The question is. In the end what it would be the final stand on this from the entire dm team?
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Post by Munroe on Feb 11, 2019 1:57:38 GMT -5
Hi Munroe. We have having a bit of a discussion here xD. I know by the rules for example i am a Paladin of Bahamut and my deity doesnt have any order in D&D 3.5 , ive been discussing whit various dms about this and other players. I want to be a dragon disciple as Bahamuitan would make sense that someone whit draconic heritage is a disciple of Bahamut , Due server limitations i cannot get the sorcerer class but in some instances there has been pnp legal bards and also you can always hop back and forth in alligment As an ex paladin who becomes lawful good again can recover his favor whit his deity. The thing is... You can start as a paladin lvl up to the lvl that you desire to be as a paladin , then go bard in neutral good , then get your dragon disciple lvls... Since when you multiclass outside of a order in the book is simple as you cannot progress any longer in your paladin lvls but you can still posses the power that you were holding up to that moment meanwhile you keep your alligment and code. The question is. In the end what it would be the final stand on this from the entire dm team? Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. While some paladins have atoned after falling as paladins, these situations have been handled by subsequent rebuilds with the paladin class restored. Alignment switches to pick up classes with conflicting alignment restrictions is not something that we support. Here's a PM reply I sent to a player inquiring about this privately: If a paladin does not have a specific exception listed for their faith, they are not allowed to multiclass. Standard paladin rules are that they cannot multiclass so all multiclassing of paladins is an exception. It is, however, possible for a paladin to stop progressing as a paladin and pursue another class. That character is never allowed to progress as a paladin again though, as they are leaving their paladin order to pursue another class. Paladins of Bahamut do not have an order on FRC that allows them to multiclass as they wish, so a paladin of Bahamut would have to leave his paladin order to multiclass, and could no longer progress as a paladin. It is not possible for paladins to become dragon disciples on FRC. The class combinations of paladin and sorcerer are not permitted, and paladins may not become bards because bards may not be lawful. We do not offer alignment shifts to make this combination possible.
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Post by trauson on Feb 11, 2019 6:22:01 GMT -5
Hi Munroe. We have having a bit of a discussion here xD. I know by the rules for example i am a Paladin of Bahamut and my deity doesnt have any order in D&D 3.5 , ive been discussing whit various dms about this and other players. I want to be a dragon disciple as Bahamuitan would make sense that someone whit draconic heritage is a disciple of Bahamut , Due server limitations i cannot get the sorcerer class but in some instances there has been pnp legal bards and also you can always hop back and forth in alligment As an ex paladin who becomes lawful good again can recover his favor whit his deity. The thing is... You can start as a paladin lvl up to the lvl that you desire to be as a paladin , then go bard in neutral good , then get your dragon disciple lvls... Since when you multiclass outside of a order in the book is simple as you cannot progress any longer in your paladin lvls but you can still posses the power that you were holding up to that moment meanwhile you keep your alligment and code. The question is. In the end what it would be the final stand on this from the entire dm team? Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. While some paladins have atoned after falling as paladins, these situations have been handled by subsequent rebuilds with the paladin class restored. Alignment switches to pick up classes with conflicting alignment restrictions is not something that we support. Here's a PM reply I sent to a player inquiring about this privately: If a paladin does not have a specific exception listed for their faith, they are not allowed to multiclass. Standard paladin rules are that they cannot multiclass so all multiclassing of paladins is an exception. It is, however, possible for a paladin to stop progressing as a paladin and pursue another class. That character is never allowed to progress as a paladin again though, as they are leaving their paladin order to pursue another class. Paladins of Bahamut do not have an order on FRC that allows them to multiclass as they wish, so a paladin of Bahamut would have to leave his paladin order to multiclass, and could no longer progress as a paladin. It is not possible for paladins to become dragon disciples on FRC. The class combinations of paladin and sorcerer are not permitted, and paladins may not become bards because bards may not be lawful. We do not offer alignment shifts to make this combination possible.
Thank you you talk about sudden alligment shifts but. What if its story driven and the paladin earns chaotic points story driven and then gets lawful points back? |
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Post by Munroe on Feb 11, 2019 6:59:11 GMT -5
Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. While some paladins have atoned after falling as paladins, these situations have been handled by subsequent rebuilds with the paladin class restored. Alignment switches to pick up classes with conflicting alignment restrictions is not something that we support. Here's a PM reply I sent to a player inquiring about this privately: Thank you you talk about sudden alligment shifts but. What if its story driven and the paladin earns chaotic points story driven and then gets lawful points back? I answered in the first sentence. Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. You may not game the system to flip your alignment back and forth to grab a class outside of the paladin's alignment. |
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Post by trauson on Feb 11, 2019 8:53:19 GMT -5
Thank you you talk about sudden alligment shifts but. What if its story driven and the paladin earns chaotic points story driven and then gets lawful points back? I answered in the first sentence. Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. You may not game the system to flip your alignment back and forth to grab a class outside of the paladin's alignment. So you do not apply the rule that they can recover their paladin status when they get back into Lawful good and go for a penitence correct? xD sorry if i am being overly "annoying" but i want to make it sure and clear. |
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Post by Munroe on Feb 11, 2019 9:59:12 GMT -5
I answered in the first sentence. Paladins on FRC that cease to be Lawful Good become ex-paladins and lose all their paladin levels. You may not game the system to flip your alignment back and forth to grab a class outside of the paladin's alignment. So you do not apply the rule that they can recover their paladin status when they get back into Lawful good and go for a penitence correct? xD sorry if i am being overly "annoying" but i want to make it sure and clear. If they've veered so far that they're progressing in a class that cannot be lawful, it's extremely unlikely they're ever going to resume being paladins again. It has yet to happen, and it will not happen for the sole purpose of getting mixed alignment-restricted classes. If we think a paladin fell to gain a mechanical advantage by regaining paladinhood later, they're not regaining paladinhood later. We certainly have had paladins that fell and were able to atone and become paladins again, but those are exceptionally rare, and regaining paladin status takes an immense amount of roleplay of that atonement. It's not something we're going to cheapen for the goal of a class combination. |
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Post by trauson on Feb 11, 2019 11:13:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the clearification and i appreciate your words
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