A tinier then foot, near death rat killing a. Toon. Really?

[asturonethoriusaline]

Ok I have played in PW's as a lev 1 toon that has killed Zombies, Skeletons, Kobolds, Goblins, etc, ALL TOUGHER THEN A TINIER THEN HUMAN FOOT RAT, by 1st level characters like Rangers, Monks, etc.

In other PW's have even killed 2 to 6 small rats with a lev 1 ranger, or lev 1 monk.

Then since that case HOW IS IT that a Small Rat kills a Monk with a AC of 18, with 8 HP. Even with a Zero BAB, and AB of Zero, that shouldnt happen

I even had a AC 18 Monk BAB 0 AB 0, kill 2 to 6 rats on Carpathian Nightmare PW.

(Note if would let player start with Ranger for Weapon Finesse, then take Monk levels after that, instead of having to start with Monk, no Weapon Finesse, then take Ranger Levels after that, could have had a AB of +4 instead of AB ZERO and NOT DIED against a LAME RAT.

But hey starting with Ranger, then going Monk, then Ranger is SO POWERFUL that must not allow that, and must instead make go Monk, then Ranger, instead of Ranger, then Monk, then Ranger, and have Monk die to a LAME RAT)

So considering the above, a lev 1 AC 18 Elven Monk Shouldnt be getting killed by 1 tinier then a human foot PATHETIC RAT.

Not when that same kind of toon is killing 2 to 6 bigger rats, kobolds, goblins, Zombies, Skeletons, etc on other RPG games, PW's, PNP, etc, ALL TOUGHER then 1 tinier then human foot PATHETIC RAT.

HOW does that happen? It shouldnt.

Was at full HP, and had Rat at near death, and went thru 2,3 curelight wounds potions, 2,3 cure minor wounds potions, but yet STILL DIED to a TINY PATHETIC RAT that should NOT have died to.

SEEMS FREAKING RIDICULOUS SILLY to me

That kind of Sillyness has never happened to any of my Toons, Characters, in past on any PW, RPG, PNP, RP, etc.

[asturonethoriusaline]

If its that crazy tough, cant ever go solo, because a 1 inch red Ant the size of fingernail might probably kill you.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Well no soloing. Too Dangerous. I will just wait until get into a party so can divide the Rat's 3 Xp points 4 ways.

Otherwise that 3 xp Rat might kill you if go solo, like it did to my toon.

[asturonethoriusaline]

But oh wait, if did that 1 of the 4 party members would get zero xp because 3 xp cant be divided equally by 4 party members.

So either get no xp, stay alive, against 3 xp Rat, because in party of 4, or

Get zero xp because soloed against 3 xp Rat and died.

[Eldok]

Dude... stop blaming the game for dying against a rat lol.
FRC is a roleplaying and hence why you cannot multiclass in that order.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Oops forgot that not zero xp, get -Negative 100 xp because 3 xp rat killed you.

Yep most definately not soloing

Better to get zero xp in 4 PC party, stay alive vs that 3 xp rat

Then to go solo vs that 3 xp rat, get killed by 3 xp rat, lose 100 xp.

[ShadowCatJen]

So question for you. What's the in game story about your character? Why are they in Cormyr? How did they become a monk? What was their path in life and where do they plan to go?

... or, are you just here to level and min/max powergrind your way to max level before thinking of even Roleplaying with other players?

[hellscream123]

You built a character with zero attack power for the sake of very late game power boosting. You are gping to have a hard time until your power scale re-aligns with the enemies you are facing.

Monk is a hard start if you nerf out your early game attack power. The rat killed due to bad luck and a low powered stsrting build.

I highly advise grabing a ranged weapon and trying some of the other greatguant dungeons. And ALWAYS try to bring a friend. Soloing is a bad time 9/10 times.

Also exp is not a flat division. There's a much more complex split system in game.

[lucid]

How can you explain all these characters online around you who made it through these starter areas on many, many characters? The belligerence in ignoring this fact is astonishing, I have no idea how you can reconcile it.

Have you considered asking questions? Assuming perhaps you are ignorant and unskilled, instead of assuming the world is stupid, unfair, and unbeatable? Have you considered how you yourself would react if approached in this fashion?

[Razgriz]

First off, the multiclassing restrictions present for monk and paladin characters are mostly for preserving the integrity and flavor of the Forgotten Realms setting.

Paladin and monk classes are to be considered more like "a way of livig" than a profession. Thus, one cannot just spend time training in something else and then suddenly become a paladin or a monk. Niether can one stop progress in these classes freely in most cases. Now, some paladin and monk orders allow restricted multiclassing, because the background of those orders implies their members delve in activities that other character classes perform.

As for dying to rats, it is unfortunate, but it is also your fault. Rats receive AC and AB bonuses vs larger foes because they are tiny creatures. By heavily investing in DEXTERITY and WISDOM, your AC at level 1 will be higher than usual, but your AB as a monk will be insufficient for most combat scenarios. This will be so until you can pick the weapon finesse feat. Your character will not be a competent combatant until you take that feat.

Your build is one that aims to become powerful later in levels, whereas another monk who starts with some more STRENGHT and CONSTITUTION, and with less DEXTERITY and WISDOM, will probably have an easier time at lower levels if he/she adventures solo. In other words, "balanced builds" tend to do better early on than those that aim for 1 or 2 high modifiers, and that have not much else to support them.

If you have a party though, the more radical and extreme concepts that aim for high modifiers could be more rewarding in the long run. This means that you should look for a party early on, unless you are very careful and at least until your character can survive alone.

Additionally, using other modules and servers as a reference will not take you anywhere either. Each module is balanced differently and each module has its own "metagame".

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 10:24:53 GMT -5 hellscream123 said:

You built a character with zero attack power for the sake of very late game power boosting. You are gping to have a hard time until your power scale re-aligns with the enemies you are facing.

Monk is a hard start if you nerf out your early game attack power. The rat killed due to bad luck and a low powered stsrting build.

I highly advise grabing a ranged weapon and trying some of the other greatguant dungeons. And ALWAYS try to bring a friend. Soloing is a bad time 9/10 times.

Also exp is not a flat division. There's a much more complex split system in game.

FYI: I did RP with both NPC's, PC's alike. I tried to find jobs, get hired, join groups, parties, in a RP way.

Despite that, RP will not always happen. There are other players who may not want to RP, are loners, etc.

This means some of the time you are SOLO, because cant be RPing all the time. Cant be in a party, group all the time.

Also no matter how much RP, there is a place or time for grinding, soloing.

If I cared only about min maxing, like you claim, I would not have made a AB zero Lev 1 Monk that get killed by a 2,3 xp Rat.

No I would have made a Ranger, taken Weapon Finesse, no take monk levels even if could til got to 9th level then taken 31 levels of Assassin.

That is what I would have done if I was POWER GAMING instead of RP like you accuse.

But since I also like to RP, I was ok with a AB zero Monk, assuming a stupid 3 xp rat no kill me.

My punishment for NOT min maxing was getting killed by a stupid 3 xp Rat.

And just because I dont like getting killed by a stupid 3 xp rat, and complain about it, is no reason for you to errantly accuse me of not RP ing, errantly accusing me of POWER GAMING, GRINDING, MIN MAXING, NOT RP ing, etc.

Also FYI: In another thread, I wrote up a roleplaying background, backstory, hoe, why he was interested in Yellow Rose Order, why he changed from LG, LN to LE, thus losing interest in the LG, LN Yellow Rose Order. What his future plans, goals were, are, how I would roleolay that, etc.

Before you make assumptive accusations, you might 2ant to think twice about making those ASS U MP TIVE ACCUSATIONS

[Eldok]

No one accused you of anything

If you simply want to min max level, fine, nobody will complain.

But now you are acting unreapectfully and your behavior is a child’s.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 10:37:39 GMT -5 Razgriz said:

First off, the multiclassing restrictions present for monk and paladin characters are mostly for preserving the integrity and flavor of the Forgotten Realms setting.

Paladin and monk classes are to be considered more like "a way of livig" than a profession. Thus, one cannot just spend time training in something else and then suddenly become a paladin or a monk. Niether can one stop progress in these classes freely in most cases. Now, some paladin and monk orders allow restricted multiclassing, because the background of those orders implies their members delve in activities that other character classes perform.

As for dying to rats, it is unfortunate, but it is also your fault. Rats receive AC and AB bonuses vs larger foes because they are tiny creatures. By heavily investing in DEXTERITY and WISDOM, your AC at level 1 will be higher than usual, but your AB as a monk will be insufficient for most combat scenarios. This will be so until you can pick the weapon finesse feat. Your character will not be a competent combatant until you take that feat.

Your build is one that aims to become powerful later in levels, whereas another monk who starts with some more STRENGHT and CONSTITUTION, and with less DEXTERITY and WISDOM, will probably have an easier time at lower levels if he/she adventures solo. In other words, "balanced builds" tend to do better early on than those that aim for 1 or 2 high modifiers, and that have not much else to support them.

If you have a party though, the more radical and extreme concepts that aim for high modifiers could be more rewarding in the long run. This means that you should look for a party early on, unless you are very careful and at least until your character can survive alone.

Additionally, using other modules and servers as a reference will not take you anywhere either. Each module is balanced differently and each module has its own "metagame".

Dont you think I would take Weapon Finesse at 1st level, instead of 3rd Lev, if could.

That would be one of the advantages of starting out as Ranger, then monk, instead of Monk, then Ranger, because then could take Weapon Finesse now, instead of Later.

Weapon Finesse Builds have always been my favorites, so well aware of Weapon Finesse

[hellscream123]

I was mesrly explaining how you got to the point. I made no references to your story or idealology. I mearly stated and will say again.

You have built a character. That will have a hard time. Solo. At low levels.

Personally soloing is a choice. One you are under no enforcements to make. Other than each persons gameplay perspective and wishes from the game.

Any character. Reguardless of class. Who chooses to start with 0 attack bonus. Will have a hard time. Will likely die when they are alone. This is not the severs fault when as example. A large player base has done fine prior. Under the exact same rule offerings.

Please could everyone calm down and stop making accusations. This is a new player having a rough start. Everyone has been there at some point. They unknowingly made a "hard mode" starter character woth low hp and zero ab.

My advice again. Grab a ranged weapon. Use what ab source you do have. And make some friends. As rp is non defined by level and characters are free to group with anyone within 10 levels of themselves.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -5 asturonethoriusaline said:

Feb 7, 2019 10:24:53 GMT -5 hellscream123 said:

You built a character with zero attack power for the sake of very late game power boosting. You are gping to have a hard time until your power scale re-aligns with the enemies you are facing.

Monk is a hard start if you nerf out your early game attack power. The rat killed due to bad luck and a low powered stsrting build.

I highly advise grabing a ranged weapon and trying some of the other greatguant dungeons. And ALWAYS try to bring a friend. Soloing is a bad time 9/10 times.

Also exp is not a flat division. There's a much more complex split system in game.

FYI: I did RP with both NPC's, PC's alike. I tried to find jobs, get hired, join groups, parties, in a RP way.

Despite that, RP will not always happen. There are other players who may not want to RP, are loners, etc.

This means some of the time you are SOLO, because cant be RPing all the time. Cant be in a party, group all the time.

Also no matter how much RP, there is a place or time for grinding, soloing.

If I cared only about min maxing, like you claim, I would not have made a AB zero Lev 1 Monk that get killed by a 2,3 xp Rat.

No I would have made a Ranger, taken Weapon Finesse, no take monk levels even if could til got to 9th level then taken 31 levels of Assassin.

That is what I would have done if I was POWER GAMING instead of RP like you accuse.

But since I also like to RP, I was ok with a AB zero Monk, assuming a stupid 3 xp rat no kill me.

My punishment for NOT min maxing was getting killed by a stupid 3 xp Rat.

And just because I dont like getting killed by a stupid 3 xp rat, and complain about it, is no reason for you to errantly accuse me of not RP ing, errantly accusing me of POWER GAMING, GRINDING, MIN MAXING, NOT RP ing, etc.

Also FYI: In another thread, I wrote up a roleplaying background, backstory, hoe, why he was interested in Yellow Rose Order, why he changed from LG, LN to LE, thus losing interest in the LG, LN Yellow Rose Order. What his future plans, goals were, are, how I would roleolay that, etc.

Before you make assumptive accusations, you might 2ant to think twice about making those ASS U MP TIVE ACCUSATIONS

Oops misquoted the the wrong person. It was somebody else not Hellscream that was accusing me

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 11:15:38 GMT -5 hellscream123 said:

I was mesrly explaining how you got to the point. I made no references to your story or idealology. I mearly stated and will say again.

You have built a character. That will have a hard time. Solo. At low levels.

Personally soloing is a choice. One you are under no enforcements to make. Other than each persons gameplay perspective and wishes from the game.

Any character. Reguardless of class. Who chooses to start with 0 attack bonus. Will have a hard time. Will likely die when they are alone. This is not the severs fault when as example. A large player base has done fine prior. Under the exact same rule offerings.

Please could everyone calm down and stop making accusations. This is a new player having a rough start. Everyone has been there at some point. They unknowingly made a "hard mode" starter character woth low hp and zero ab.

My advice again. Grab a ranged weapon. Use what ab source you do have. And make some friends. As rp is non defined by level and characters are free to group with anyone within 10 levels of themselves.

Accidentally misquoted you, as it was somebody else accusing me of min maxing, or maybe it was you. Think I lost track.

But in the quote of yours I qouted you did not accuse me of min maxing. That was either you in another quote or somebody else.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 10:21:46 GMT -5 ShadowCatJen said:

So question for you. What's the in game story about your character? Why are they in Cormyr? How did they become a monk? What was their path in life and where do they plan to go?

... or, are you just here to level and min/max powergrind your way to max level before thinking of even Roleplaying with other players?

This was the guy accusing me not hellscream

Sorry about that Hellscream

[StabbingNirvana]

Probably not the best time to mention that the mosquitoes on the server do constitution drain.....

[ShadowCatJen]

Feb 7, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -5 asturonethoriusaline said:

Also FYI: In another thread, I wrote up a roleplaying background, backstory, hoe, why he was interested in Yellow Rose Order, why he changed from LG, LN to LE, thus losing interest in the LG, LN Yellow Rose Order. What his future plans, goals were, are, how I would roleolay that, etc.

Before you make assumptive accusations, you might 2ant to think twice about making those ASS U MP TIVE ACCUSATIONS

I believe he was aiming this at me, yes.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 11:15:38 GMT -5 hellscream123 said:

I was mesrly explaining how you got to the point. I made no references to your story or idealology. I mearly stated and will say again.

You have built a character. That will have a hard time. Solo. At low levels.

Personally soloing is a choice. One you are under no enforcements to make. Other than each persons gameplay perspective and wishes from the game.

Any character. Reguardless of class. Who chooses to start with 0 attack bonus. Will have a hard time. Will likely die when they are alone. This is not the severs fault when as example. A large player base has done fine prior. Under the exact same rule offerings.

Please could everyone calm down and stop making accusations. This is a new player having a rough start. Everyone has been there at some point. They unknowingly made a "hard mode" starter character woth low hp and zero ab.

My advice again. Grab a ranged weapon. Use what ab source you do have. And make some friends. As rp is non defined by level and characters are free to group with anyone within 10 levels of themselves.

I get what your saying a about AB Zero character.

The funny thing is the guy accusing me of min maxing with this character, when this character is far from min maxed.

If could start Ranger, take Weapon Finesse start with a +4 AB, then multiclass to Monk, I would. That is what I have typically done at all the other PW's, that an or start Ranger then go Shadowdancer/Assassin the rest of the way.

But since starting with Ranger first with weapon finesse, then going Monk, not allowed here, I went with Monk first with no Weapon finesse, AB zero.

I knew it was a weaker build then starting with the not allowed Ranger first, weapon finesse, then Monk, and I was, am ok with that, just not ok with getting killed by a stupid 2,3 xp rat.

I guess the solution is just to join a group(Which was not available, and or used crossbow against Rat, instead of Kama against Rat.

And against tougher stuff then Rats I would use the crossbow.

Just figured even a AB zero character with higher AC should be able to handle a rat.

Guess I was partially wrong, tho still think a rat shouldnt be a challenge.

I have never ever had a rat kill even a AB Zero character, toon.

[asturonethoriusaline]

Feb 7, 2019 11:24:53 GMT -5 StabbingNirvana said:

Probably not the best time to mention that the mosquitoes on the server do constitution drain.....

Really? Guess thats good to know. Thats crazy brutal. CR .000001 encounter, zero xp doing con drain.

[DM Hawk]

Howdy folks,

I'm locking down this thread and sending a PM.