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Post by smacrasmacrasmacra on Sept 5, 2017 9:20:58 GMT -5
So in a Facebook group someone posted this picture, asking about a young dwarf and young half-orc falling in love. Most joked...but it struck a chord in me. I sensed an amazing backstory for a dwarven character and wanted to get your thoughts on the matter.  Firstly, "Dawwww..." Now, assuming similar ages, maybe 13 for the half-orc and about 30-40 for the Dwarf, or some equivalency of just entering puberty, we imagine their young friendship turn into the young crush of first youthful love. And then...that dwarf stays a youth as his crush grows and matures faster than he can fathom. She grows tired of his childish ways, takes lovers, raises a family...all before his confused and near stagnant eyes. He's barely grown by the time she withers and dies. His first love lived an entire life as he was just growing a beard worth mentioning. This dwarf would, I think, find love something pulling him in two directions. He'd be guarded to give it, knowing that so many people will die before he can have it run its course. So there's a push for him to stay with Dwarven lovers exclusively despite his niggling draw for the half-orc, or other outside the clan pursuits. He'd also have the sensation that he MUST act, life is short, he'd fell far more of the immediacy of his life's passage than his kin. He might be drawn outside of his home more easily but with the knowledge that he will be opening himself up to greater loss. Thoughts? |
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Post by quelunia on Sept 5, 2017 11:54:59 GMT -5
The heart wants what the heart wants. I agree that would be a hell of a torn heart ... Clan honor versus desire... I think that would go to the choosing of his alignment. This is an interesting idea.
I mean the Half Orc child was she raised with the Dwarven children? Did they perhaps spare with one another in training ? Was the ... lust or heart turning moment caused by battle bonding or was it from something different?
The dwarf parents how was the dwarf raised? What diety ? There are ways I can see that. Is this Half orc gal captured and hoped to take charge of her orc parents tribe? Is she being brought up to take control of that orc tribe? Was she the product of a human clan friend? That was kept safe? Did the human clan friend die in child birth? This would lead to some insight of the gal.
I do like the idea really. There is a lot to be figured out on the story but I do see potential.
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Post by smacrasmacrasmacra on Sept 5, 2017 13:23:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it really struck me as fertile ground for developing a rich story. Typically, just another of the rich stories a character would have that literally nobody else would ever see, lol. But, that's the game, innit? Layers of paint under layers of paint under the meanest surface bits that get seen outside the Regal Griffon. Still, I'm somewhat inspired by this one. The OP posted her characterization for her character, the dwarf, and how it was being developed in her game.
Loch The Philosopher
(Dwarf Oracle)
Born on the Green Mountain to the south in the Dwarf Homeland under a Blue Moon (an Omen to his local village of the birth of a great scholar for it is the moon of Irori) Loch named for the first word he ever spoke was born to a family of basic farmers and peasants but Loch saw his life as being destined for more than that.
Throughout his life Loch was seen as more of a nuisance than anything else as a Dwarf he was noticeably weaker than normal and would very often get caught up in a thought and wonder off into the hills to sit and think completely neglecting his chores or duties for the day more than once accidentally burning the evening meal and to make matters worse he would every and anything that he could to the point of driving his parents and elders insane not just because of the difficulty of some of the questions but more because of how unending they were with each answer only to serve him asking even more questions rather than less.
In the end his family and village just ignored him and let him do whatever he wanted so he did and went up onto the hills every day and thought about every little thing that popped into his youthful head. One day a tall shaggy white haired travelling scholar passed by and asked him why a young dwarf wasn't out working, digging, building, or at least helping with the normal everyday chores and Loch explained that he found at best he failed at them and at worst they bored him.
The scholar stroking his long beard sat down with him and engaged him in long conversation on everything from religion, to philosophy, to magic, and beyond. Later that evening as his parents were beginning to get worried about their weird but still loved child the tall shaggy scholar knocked on the door with Loch there with him, he explained that he wanted to induct Loch into his School known as the College of Mysteries and wanted to have him as his personal apprentice. Most peasant parents would jump at such a prestigious offering for their child but Lochs parents knew he was small and emotionally sensitive in high contrast to his Dwarven nature so out of both embarrassment of people knowing this and fear for their sons safety in the outside world they declined, this infuriated Loch and not long after he ran away (though not far as he was still young).
As he ran away he bumped into a young female orc known as Norbella who like Loch was very different from the norm of her race and was shy, clever and deplored violence so although they both feared each other when they first met they ended up becoming friends, Norbella was the daughter of the Chieftain of a nearby Orc stronghold who had been kicked out for not showing bravery or savagery offering to help Loch went back with her as her “prisoner” and she pretended she had captured a young dwarf prince to gain her father's affection again.
After the festivities Loch using his wit untied the ropes and escaped when everyone was drunk or sleeping planing to meet with Norbella again in their secret place hidden in a nearby forest under the pretence of her trying to recapture him.
The two quickly became best friends and regularly she would “capture” him and he would engineer a means of escape. As this went on for a few years both sharing secrets and knowledge they had picked up from travelling wizards and scholars they increased in intellect and their relationship increased in intensity until the day when they were both on the cusp of adulthood that Norbella revealed to Loch that she was pregnant with his child and that her father knew and was coming to find both of them and kill them.
They had made a pact long ago that if they were ever found out and couldn’t escape that they would die together on their own terms, She pulled out a bottle of Blood Leaf Poison drank it and handed it to him to drink but as she closed her eyes and died he heard the mob of orcs coming and instead hid her body and ran away. The mob gave chase into Dwarven territory and he warned the local guards of the incoming Orcs the Dwarves fought hard and slaughtered all of Norbellas Tribe but also lost many of their own number, Loch was then questioned about what happened and never being able to tell a lie he told the whole truth, in shock and anger at both the affair and the needless death from his cowardice to die like a man he was exiled from all Dwarven lands and had his small beard burned off which would later regrow but only a pale grey colour.
Loch ran as far as he could and made his way to Absalom the home of the College of Mysteries and found the old Scholar from years ago, after explaining his situation the Scholar once again gave him the option of becoming his apprentice which he accepted but throughout the years he could never forgive his own cowardice and what he did to Norbella and gave to drinking as a means of escape.
Years later now the Head of Magical Philosophy (thought he had never shown Magical capability himself) Lochs mind once again turned to his past as he picked up a new book a friend had found in an old abandoned library which was the only book to survive after an Orc raid, and as he looked upon the ancient and secret script of the Occulta Ultima de Irori (Last Mystery of Irori) he was struck by an almighty blue bolt of energy from the heavens and was granted the powers of an Oracle of Irori and heard a voice from the book speaking saying:
“Find for me the great mysteries of the universe go out into the world and seek the secrets of time and I will grant you the wisdom and knowledge you have always craved.”
At that moment he was changed and infused with divine power and in a rush he gathered together all his things and instantly chose to go on his long awaited sabbatical and hailed a cart to take him straight to the place his vision had told him to visit first:
The City of Luce: Adventurers Guild.
Personal Goal: To understand the secrets of the universe and to create the unified magic theory, and atone for what he did to Norbella.
Reputation: A great scholar that left his cushy job as a professor to seek out adventure and new ideas and new books, many think he is eccentric, insane, or both.
Best Friend: A friend who still works at the university he worked at who teaches Arcane Mathematics.
Home: The green mountains in the south of the Dwarven homeland but was exiled for falling in love with an Orc Warrior women.
Signature Item: A book of ancient lore containing many secret sigils and mysteries that he has made it his life's work to uncover.
Personal Problem: Wishes to see his family and his one true love again but both have either abandoned him or disappeared, also has developed a drinking problem due to his exile that now torments him in the form of his oracle demonic curse, and is a coward in battle.
Secret: Claims that his love Norbella the Orc princess ran away but they were actually in a secret suicide-love pact but he panicked and did not drink the poison after she did so he hid her body and ran away never to return.
Reason to Be Brave: Memories of Norbella and his wish to die in battle as means of penance for not drinking the poison with Norbella.
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Post by malclave on Sept 5, 2017 15:54:29 GMT -5
There is a lot to be figured out on the story but I do see potential. The biggest potential, I think, would be the reactions from other dwarves. Dwarven society is typically extremely Lawful, and a romance with a half-orc is way outside cultural norms. It could be an interesting contrast to more usual elf/ non-elf pairings, where elves' Chaotic tendencies work in their favor. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 5, 2017 17:16:52 GMT -5
It isn't even just their lawful nature. They, as a race, despise orcs and anything about them. A half-orc is a very small step from one of their most hated enemies.
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Post by erratic1 on Sept 5, 2017 19:18:08 GMT -5
Kind of depends on the setting really, but if I'm totally honest, in Forgotten Realms you have about as much chance as this happening as Bane turning to a Lawful good diety with a Paladin Order. It goes so far against the traditional Dwarven upbringing- their level of sheer hate for Orckin is legendary and for good reason, they have a long and bloody history of fighting and the societal wounds run deep, and the Dwarven people are stubborn and have long, long memories.
However, like I said, it depends on the setting. On another setting where the Dwarves and Orcs don't have such a violent history then I could see this happening. But it's all about context, forcing something to fit a setting just won't work. For suspension of belief, you have to be able to believe some part of the story, which is hard when the lore of that particular realm is so against something.
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Post by quelunia on Sept 5, 2017 20:43:01 GMT -5
There is still a human half ... what if the half orc was caused by a rape to a clan friend? What if that kid was brought in a cared for and raised? I understand the dwarf orc hatred .. however... There is a half human side... That could be the reason the kid was allowed to stay.... Could also be the reason for many other things happening
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 5, 2017 20:58:44 GMT -5
There is still a human half ... what if the half orc was caused by a rape to a clan friend? What if that kid was brought in a cared for and raised? I understand the dwarf orc hatred .. however... There is a half human side... That could be the reason the kid was allowed to stay.... Could also be the reason for many other things happening In FR, the vast, vast majority of half-orcs are mistrusted and often outright hated regardless of heritage or reasons for such. 'Clan friends' tend to be rather rare as well; it takes a dwarf almost as long to fully trust and understand a human as their lifespans. From the Player's Guide to Faerun, |
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Post by smacrasmacrasmacra on Sept 5, 2017 21:15:40 GMT -5
In my own imagining of this, the two would dwell in a cosmopolitan environment. Many races, many creeds, many walks of life. By the necessity of their shared proximity, mixed-city dwellers are less cookie-cutter "we hate this type" than the rural folk. So I can see it happening a lot easier in that locale.
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Post by quelunia on Sept 5, 2017 22:04:42 GMT -5
There is still a human half ... what if the half orc was caused by a rape to a clan friend? What if that kid was brought in a cared for and raised? I understand the dwarf orc hatred .. however... There is a half human side... That could be the reason the kid was allowed to stay.... Could also be the reason for many other things happening In FR, the vast, vast majority of half-orcs are mistrusted and often outright hated regardless of heritage or reasons for such. 'Clan friends' tend to be rather rare as well; it takes a dwarf almost as long to fully trust and understand a human as their lifespans. From the Player's Guide to Faerun,Just a question... Do you read what I say and read it all or just grab one thing so you can post something proving something taken out of context wrong? I mean seriously.. I made two posts ... and then bam you snatch one clip and try to prove me wrong? Get a life huh? I am not ignorant to the D&D game .. been playing well over 20 years.. trust me I know the generalization. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 5, 2017 22:16:37 GMT -5
I read the whole thing, and replied to it. If you can't quite manage to grasp that, I apologize for not being clear enough. Let's make this easier: anything is technically possible, but the likelihood of such is absolutely miniscule. Kind of like a gnome barbarian besting a half-orc RDD in an arm wrestling contest. Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Chances are about ninety billion to one for that circumstance to pop up, much less turn out in that fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 22:21:56 GMT -5
Kind of like a gnome barbarian besting a half-orc RDD in an arm wrestling contest Now I'm imagining a gnome barbarian/wizard mix whose arms are being manipulated by an invisible stone golem to win against the half-orc RDD... Sigh... if I ever make a gnome, they're going to be a wizard summoner! |
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Post by malclave on Sept 5, 2017 22:38:56 GMT -5
Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Chances are about ninety billion to one for that circumstance to pop up, much less turn out in that fashion. And then a player shows up and does it... I think it's a corollary to "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy". It would probably take very little time for people on this board to come up with a half dozen character backgrounds for a dwarf falling in love with a half, or even full, orc. That's why I think the interesting part would be interactions with other dwarves. Other PCs might accept them (though it's not guaranteed), but in most campaigns the dwarf would be outcast and shunned from the rest of his race... even after the half orc dies. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 5, 2017 23:10:41 GMT -5
And then a player shows up and does it... I think it's a corollary to "no battle plan survives contact with the enemy". It would probably take very little time for people on this board to come up with a half dozen character backgrounds for a dwarf falling in love with a half, or even full, orc. That's why I think the interesting part would be interactions with other dwarves. Other PCs might accept them (though it's not guaranteed), but in most campaigns the dwarf would be outcast and shunned from the rest of his race... even after the half orc dies. Sure, someone can come up with a reason for anything. I could write you a story about why Olaf should have a +20 vorpal greataxe of his ancestors to use in frost giant form. Some part of it is suspension of disbelief- though admittedly, a half-orc getting by in a dwarven society isn't the most far-fetched thing available. My point was mostly that it would be highly, highly unlikely. If someone wants to run with it, sure. But they should really be aware of just how long the odds are and what the repercussions might be. (Stuff like what you've listed) |
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Post by quelunia on Sept 5, 2017 23:55:48 GMT -5
I read the whole thing, and replied to it. If you can't quite manage to grasp that, I apologize for not being clear enough. Let's make this easier: anything is technically possible, but the likelihood of such is absolutely miniscule. Kind of like a gnome barbarian besting a half-orc RDD in an arm wrestling contest. Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Chances are about ninety billion to one for that circumstance to pop up, much less turn out in that fashion. Ok... so there is a chance? Have you made comments against half orc and elf lovers too? Just curious. I was feeding input to the OP ... and yet you have to find something to snap and clip and try to prove wrong. He was asking for thoughts.... so why grab mine? Just curious... because on the Red Wizard thread you choose the same approach .. snip clip and post against me.... To try to make me look wrong. Honestly I have played D&D since to box editions .. all the way through to 3.5 .... I don't need a lecture on how I am wrong when I am posting an opinion. If you don't like my opinion that's your problem ... stop clipping my posts to try to make me look wrong for having an opinion. Honestly I don't care what you think. I don't appreciate you having to do this while trying to support someone else after you did the same on another thread. My response was to the OP not for your consumption. |
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Post by quelunia on Sept 6, 2017 0:12:53 GMT -5
The heart wants what the heart wants. I agree that would be a hell of a torn heart ... Clan honor versus desire... I think that would go to the choosing of his alignment. This is an interesting idea. I mean the Half Orc child was she raised with the Dwarven children? Did they perhaps spare with one another in training ? Was the ... lust or heart turning moment caused by battle bonding or was it from something different? The dwarf parents how was the dwarf raised? What diety ? There are ways I can see that. Is this Half orc gal captured and hoped to take charge of her orc parents tribe? Is she being brought up to take control of that orc tribe? Was she the product of a human clan friend? That was kept safe? Did the human clan friend die in child birth? This would lead to some insight of the gal. I do like the idea really. There is a lot to be figured out on the story but I do see potential. Just for context on why I am perturbed... This was my original post to prove ... you just skimmed and snatched BS to try to make me look wrong. same as the last time. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 6, 2017 0:24:38 GMT -5
It hasn't come up in the past, but the argument is similar to a lesser extent. Elves are not 'quite' as staunch against orcs as the dwarves are, but there's nearly as much racial enmity and likely many more half-orcs born of elven heritage than dwarven.
As to the complaining about posting snippets of source material, you have posed several statements as questions. Thus, I answered them using the material at hand. If you don't want a response, I'd suggest avoiding any interrogatives.
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Post by quelunia on Sept 6, 2017 0:48:17 GMT -5
It hasn't come up in the past, but the argument is similar to a lesser extent. Elves are not 'quite' as staunch against orcs as the dwarves are, but there's nearly as much racial enmity and likely many more half-orcs born of elven heritage than dwarven. As to the complaining about posting snippets of source material, you have posed several statements as questions. Thus, I answered them using the material at hand. If you don't want a response, I'd suggest avoiding any interrogatives. Over the years on FRC I have made more than one post against elves and half orc unions ... You defended them ... I think Elves are more ferociously against Orcs than Dwarves.... Dwarves build strong halls and can lock themselves in.... They can defend against or hold out against Orcs... Elves on the other hand ... can fight them ... and due to breeding rates will loose that battle everytime. If a true battle between Orcs and elves came to bare.... Elves would be screwed. They would be outbreed.... Look at Cormyr.. elves saw they couldn't win against Humans and gave in.... Breeding rates and world view are a huge concept I don't think are being viewed properly... First ... an elf choosing a half orc lover .... That half orc ... would die in a blink of an eye... a human slightly longer... Though when its considered ... an Elf for about twenty years could fine enjoyment with a human till hat human aged to venerable ... A half orc ... there is nothing to the time... A dwarf doesn't live as long ... his clan finds a child ... perhaps a clan member was childless? Maybe in a huge battle the dwarves found the child and brought it back hoping to supplant the Chief? Or ... the child was a clan friends child they felt obligated to raise? There are numerous reasons to justify a half orc being in the Dwarf hold. Dwarves love battle .... did the half orc child do well in battle and leave a lasting impression on the dwarf? Was there a battle setting the half orc saved the dwarf? were they teamed together? Could it be that they were raised under the same burrow roof? And curiousity of a male child drew the lust for the half orc female? The bonding while growing leading to love? There are tons and tons of avenues that it is plausible... To me the less likely is a Half orc and a Elf... A dwarf need only not be lawful in my opinion .. to go against the mold and strike out .. NG? as I brought up originally ... there are a lot of concerns but many reasons and avenues to explore in the character development. I have watched over the years on FRC more than one couple of half orc and elf unions go on .... in each case the union was formed in under a few months... less than a year... I find it incredibly hard to believe an elf would come to trust a half orc .. let alone fall in love with one that fast. That's my opinion ... dislike it or hate it .. I don't care that's my opinion. I don't think a dwarf would fall in love with a half orc either .... I think the shame inflicted by the Clan would be too much to bear to do something like that.... Are there ways and routes it could happen? That was my view to support the OP idea. Not to say hey I think half orcs are mating partners for everyone... Just make sure to get the STD tests .... The thing that catches my attention with a half orc and a dwarf are these.. Dwarf have allies that aren't dwarf Dwarves are in conflict with Orcs the conflict and allies could potentially produce a half orc The Allies are all but adopted to dwarf society This places a real chance at a half orc being in a dwarf hall the orc blood and dwarven blood both enjoy a good fight In battle bonds are forged To me it is plausible a half orc and dwarf could be in proximity In battle they could form a bond that bond could become love That love could shape a dwarf to do something out of the norm Love is a powerful emotion. |
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Post by quelunia on Sept 6, 2017 0:54:52 GMT -5
It hasn't come up in the past, but the argument is similar to a lesser extent. Elves are not 'quite' as staunch against orcs as the dwarves are, but there's nearly as much racial enmity and likely many more half-orcs born of elven heritage than dwarven. As to the complaining about posting snippets of source material, you have posed several statements as questions. Thus, I answered them using the material at hand. If you don't want a response, I'd suggest avoiding any interrogatives. Also as a side not ... My questions where to the OP ... Not to you ... your not that special every post is meant for you. Just saying. |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 6, 2017 1:47:58 GMT -5
Okay, I'll field this a little bit at a time... Over the years on FRC I have made more than one post against elves and half orc unions ... You defended them ... I think Elves are more ferociously against Orcs than Dwarves.... Dwarves build strong halls and can lock themselves in.... They can defend against or hold out against Orcs... First off, you must have me confused with someone else. If you can find this somewhere in my post history, I'll gladly admit I'm mistaken, but I don't recall ever arguing about romance between said races beyond this thread- and even then, as it being a severely rare event more than something banned, wrong, or otherwise disallowed. I'll go ahead and default back to the source books to back up what I stated previously. On shield dwarf relations, used because they're the most common subrace of dwarves in the north: (Races of Faerun)
Every other subrace of dwarves is mentioned to either have no contact with most races or harbors a hatred for half-orcs and orcs. And the elves, moon and wood elves are the only two that even mention orcs:
You can really argue degrees if you want to, but there isn't much comparative stuff in that book. The biggest telling point is that orcs and dwarves fight for the same territory much more frequently than the elves do, and the dwarves have been blessed with more numbers since about 1300 DR- more numbers, more expansion, more conflict and hatred. A sidebar from the FRCS, a character's view:
[Speculation snipped for length] Any story someone wants to come up with is groovy. It just helps if there's some context for the setting, particularly in the case of something so unusual as to be nigh-unheard of. Something like making a Red Wizard philanthropist- (a real one, not someone pretending) it can be done, but a player should be aware of just how odd that is and how it fits into Faerun, or rather how it doesn't. Finally, Also as a side not ... My questions where to the OP ... Not to you ... your not that special every post is meant for you. Just saying. If you want to pose a question to a particular person in a public thread, I'd highly suggest using the @username tag or otherwise identifying who you'd like to answer. None here are mind readers; if you want to discuss something without any feedback from others you can also use a PM chain. |
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Post by malclave on Sept 6, 2017 2:00:04 GMT -5
I think Elves are more ferociously against Orcs than Dwarves This might date back to 1st Edition, but my take is that elves are more likely to consider orcs as dangerous vermin than to actually hate them. Their Chaotic nature also makes them more likely to see potential in individuals. You give,examples of why a half-orc might be in a dwarven clanhold; the most likely reason to me would be from an exchange of hostages, though that probably works better with male half-orcs. This might be 1E again, but I don't think orc society values females enough for them to be worthwhile hostages. In any tabletop campaign I've been in, a background like that would have to have DM input and approval. Maybe a small clan of mostly Sharindlar worshippers, or a group of dwarves who banded together after being cast out of their own clans. The simplest way for them to get together would be as neighbors, either in a city as suggested earlier or along a border between dwarf and orc territories. Their story could be like Romeo and Juliet, but without the happy ending.  |
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Post by quelunia on Sept 6, 2017 2:09:41 GMT -5
Ok so let me get this straight? I am not allowed to talk to the OP without nit picking .. hen I cant hit back without getting tag teamed? Is that right?
I don't understand the obsetion with hitting my posts ? In numerous threads ... just to find osmehting to disagree with ... I mean WTF! Am I not alloed to have an opinion with out getting clipped and BS from douche bags? Just curious if your trying to insult me congrats you have ... Now... SHUT UP!
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Post by hellscream123 on Sept 6, 2017 2:19:55 GMT -5
Dude. They're just responding to your comments. Its not an attack its a responce. A rebuttal an observation of a statement within something. Plenty you have said is true (thoigh i find arguing over what is likely to happen in FR when adventurers are deliberately out of the ordinary for their kind weird)
Fluffy is just as confused as you are at this apparent suggestion of attack. And the point of the quote system is to highlight points in a post.
No one has said you are wrong. No one is also right when this is a discussion already answered: it could happen. Unlikely but could. that is all that has been said.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Sept 6, 2017 8:20:53 GMT -5
Trolls will be trolls
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Post by smacrasmacrasmacra on Sept 6, 2017 9:11:32 GMT -5
I'm picking up a Montague and Capulet vibe from the start of this. And the original player's RP backstory fell even further into that line. But I'm taking a less fully tragic route and more towards the growing strangeness between them as one progresses through life at breakneck speed and the other is still a child.
As far as the unlikelihood of their pairing? Yeah, quite. But it's far from impossible. Again, there are more open sets of dwarves, the merchants among them in human lands chiefly. There are erudite and civil half-orcs. It is not at all unreasonable to imagine a situation in which the two live in relative proximity to each other and their lives share that valence for the scant few decades until the greenskin's passing. I'm far less concerned with hammering out the specifics of how to balance that improbability than I am with the eventual effects it would have upon the dwarf once he (in this instance, a guy. could be otherwise, of course) comes of age.
Glad this fostered some thought.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Sept 6, 2017 9:38:10 GMT -5
My two cents play your pc's how you like but don't be offended when metagaming is brought up in the rp for a dwarf and or elf.
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Post by Animayhem on Sept 6, 2017 9:46:29 GMT -5
I would say go for it. While there may be racial and traditional reasons for it not to be, unusual relationships happen in rl (granted no orcs, etc. The Romeo and Juliet reference of Monatgues and Capulets quite an apt comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 11:22:35 GMT -5
but I don't think orc society values females I've read that somewhere too, but I can't remember where... |
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Post by Fluffy the Mad on Sept 6, 2017 11:47:36 GMT -5
but I don't think orc society values females I've read that somewhere too, but I can't remember where... again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 11:48:55 GMT -5
I've read that somewhere too, but I can't remember where... again. I was juuust about to post that after having found it. Here's these as well: The church of Luthic is prominent within most orc tribes, if only because it can claim the bulk of the female population as its worshipers Rumors exist of a secret group of Luthicar monks existing within some tribes, attacking unarmed since they are denied the use of weapons by males. Dogma: Life is sheltered within the earth from which it springs. Honor the wisdom of the Cave Mother, whose strength is the backbone of the horde and the root of valor in battle. Understand your position within the tribe and do your part to strengthen the tribe against all rivals. The cave is the sheltering embrace of the Mother of Bahgtru and the bastion of orc strenth. Endure all hardships. Luthic: Runeclaws (evil): cleric, runecaster. Because in many orc tribes females are not allowed to touch weapons, unarmed combat has become a means for female worshipers of Luthic to defend themselves against raiders from other tribes. Some female orcs that are too old for childbirth (particularly older wives of the chief) become runeclaws to prove they are still useful to the tribe. |
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