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Post by Animayhem on Aug 9, 2017 10:14:02 GMT -5
I am grateful that this forum allows players to express themselves in various areas. Whether general free form that is talking about everyday things or to world specific or to rp related to your character or in general to game events.
There are rules and guidelines to help keep things smooth. The creative writings unless otherwise mentioned in the title are OOC and closed, meaning only the author can add. Yet this was ignored by some members,
Marister Man of Mystery was moved from public to creative. Was I happy with it, not really, but what's done is done.
I asked to have Marister's Tactical journal moved as I figured some may not want to know how to defeat foes.
The above are really kinda public as Marister has discussed such in game.
Marister's Mind is just that his mind his thoughts based on things he has experienced in game so no one really would know unless he motioned it.
Rules are in place that if you read anything anywhere and you have a question or concern you can either SEND A PM TO THE WRITER OR A DM!
Yet in reference to Marister's Mind this was not done. Instead the inquiry was put in the actual thread and another player responded which means admins will have to remove comments before I can continue to write in MY PERSONAL TOPIC.
We have an awesome group of writers here with a wider variety of styles. As a writer I respect the writers and what is written . I may not agree with some things or the style of writing but it is the writer, the person's expression.
Many things written, even in public, if my characters were not there or would not have known then I do not respond.
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Post by Kiyohime 🐍 on Aug 9, 2017 10:35:32 GMT -5
The issue with your threads is that you give IC knowledge about everyone freely in a manner that can be abused and metagamed.
It is one thing to ocasionally mention another char on your thread but to always do so in such manner is kinda meh.
Make Marister's thread about Marister. Stop posting IC stuff about other people without their permission. It is that simple.
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Post by Fenix on Aug 9, 2017 12:11:06 GMT -5
The issue with your threads is that you give IC knowledge about everyone freely in a manner that can be abused and metagamed. It is one thing to ocasionally mention another char on your thread but to always do so in such manner is kinda meh. Make Marister's thread about Marister. Stop posting IC stuff about other people without their permission. It is that simple. In addition...i mean, as the posts said, Marister wasn't even there for it. You posted information you had from a different PC as Marister's own information. I kind of have to wonder for some other posts if that has been a trend, since some information seemed rather questionable.
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Post by FlyingMidget on Aug 9, 2017 12:42:37 GMT -5
I'd like to take the moment to request you always check with myself first before posting about any of my own characters, I'd like to both know the source of the info is correct and that it isn't something I care is shared about on the forums. If it's something I'd consider private/don't want everyone to read about on the forums, please respect my wishes to spreading it solely in game.
I suspect that very same above goes for almost everybody here. It's your thread, great, but the moment you include another in anyway you are inviting it in on yourself, so take the time and effort to approach them first and you'll likely resolve alot of headaches in the future.
FM.
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Post by Rane on Aug 9, 2017 12:57:59 GMT -5
The only thing with "Marister's Mind" is that you're posting his thoughts.
Tales of Cormyr for instance are public postings like a news paper. As far as your post that was in question, I can see where Marister might have these thoughts but I also don't think his thoughts should be posted publicly, hence the creative writings thread.
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Post by elvishnation on Aug 9, 2017 13:00:40 GMT -5
I'd like to take the moment to request you always check with myself first before posting about any of my own characters, I'd like to both know the source of the info is correct and that it isn't something I care is shared about on the forums. If it's something I'd consider private/don't want everyone to read about on the forums, please respect my wishes to spreading it solely in game. I suspect that very same above goes for almost everybody here. It's your thread, great, but the moment you include another in anyway you are inviting it in on yourself, so take the time and effort to approach them first and you'll likely resolve alot of headaches in the future. FM. I have to agree with this as well for my own characters. There was a time I guess when this wasn't an issue on the forums, but these days sadly there is a great deal more metagaming. Thank you.
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Post by erratic1 on Aug 9, 2017 13:28:50 GMT -5
Animayhem I've defended you in the past and I will always state that people are free to RP as they please as long as it doesn't vilate any server rules.
You need to be very careful about metagaming as some of your creative writings do verge on this- typing in Maristers journal about something that has happened when Marister has not learned about this in the server is indeed metagaming, even if one of your other characters has indeed picked up this information you cannot just say "they told Marister", as this is not a permitted way of information transfer, indeed, this is still metagaming.
Also, please be aware that if someone has told you something in confidence, even if you're writing something in his "journal", that information is still being put out into the world for others to potentially see- (ala, they kill Marister and rifle through his stuff and poke about his journal). They also do still know about it in an OOC sense and this -can- (no accusations here) cause some unconcious bias in regards to peoples responses to that subject in the future.
Also, you do need to get permission to really type about peoples' responses in your journal thread unless you make it -clear- that it's either an opinion of your character or something that has already happened that your character has directly witnessed, or has been told about. If it's either of those circumstances then it's fair game but just remember that if someone has specifically asked you in game to keep it secret, then see above and what I just typed in regards to why this isn't always such a good idea.
A third point- your style of writing seems to convey things as -facts-, when you need to be clear that these are Maristers opinions. The "what is known" thread I thought was okay, but please bear in mind that your character cannot put "know" any of this stuff unless it's been specifically relayed to your character in game (and not any of your other characters either, just the one with the active thread) or something your character has witnessed yourself. People are always scared of metagaming and with good reasons- know it alls are annoying and especially when they're cheating, and also using information that character should not have is once again metagaming.
Now having typed all that I just want to state again I'm not accusing- I'm stating that you need to be careful and clearly label such writings in the future as thoughts and or opinions of that specifc character.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 9, 2017 18:14:48 GMT -5
You are all forgetting that a rule was broken.
Someone who objected to a post in a private thread did not follow the proper channels which is you have a question about what someone has written you send them a PM . DM Hawk Mentioned such as he was moving Marister Man of Mystery which is now in the creative writings sections and is not public as it was.
Marister's Mind is in Creative writings a forum not of general knowledge. It is based on actual rp he has had. It is no different then what
the thread Lucien the Bard and his posts on Cornyr rp except that "Lucien's Thoughts" were made in a public forum.
It is no different than the Quakespiraces thread which is Quakes views on things.
It is no different than Fenix's thread Fenix Vale expresses his thoughts as he has experienced in rp.
People are metagaming Marister's thoughts when they have no idea and were not present when he experienced.
DM Hawk Munroe are reviewing the matter. I respectfully request we allow them time to review.
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Post by FlyingMidget on Aug 9, 2017 18:41:47 GMT -5
I disagree, no rules were broken, you have the right to have the thread cleaned and set to your theme and you can seek out a DM in private for this (to clean it). By talking about someone else or their characters, you sorta bring it on yourself, basically inviting them in to speak to you in public in return, if once whatever has occurred has run it's course or you take it to PM's yourself, you can of course ask them or a DM to clean it up for you. My suggestion earlier in this thread to speak to anyone you wish to talk about in your own threads before posting such is rather common courtesy, not everyone approves of the threads in question. Personally I don't read them, I don't want to read them, I don't want to be mentioned in them, I don't like that they exist, but they do and that's your thing, you're welcome to it mate if that's what you enjoy, but there are those of us that don't want to be in such. A quote of the actual rule about personal threads is below for emphasis. And here's a quote from the creative writing's threads basic rules. frc.proboards.com/thread/6515/creative-writingsI'd suggest thinking carefully about your writings and consider if you wish it (and more importantly anyone that said writing is about) want someone to know about it OOCly. I wasn't being snippy with you, I was expressing my own thoughts on the matter, I don't know what happened exactly, I only read the OOC comments and not the entry that caused them, because I honestly don't care to. This is my opinion as a player and a member of this community, you do you, enjoy your writing, but if you want to talk about someone else speak to them first please. FM.
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Post by Fenix on Aug 9, 2017 19:31:00 GMT -5
You are all forgetting that a rule was broken.
Someone who objected to a post in a private thread did not follow the proper channels which is you have a question about what someone has written you send them a PM . DM Hawk Mentioned such as he was moving Marister Man of Mystery which is now in the creative writings sections and is not public as it was.
Marister's Mind is in Creative writings a forum not of general knowledge. It is based on actual rp he has had. It is no different then what
the thread Lucien the Bard and his posts on Cornyr rp except that "Lucien's Thoughts" were made in a public forum.
It is no different than the Quakespiraces thread which is Quakes views on things.
It is no different than Fenix's thread Fenix Vale expresses his thoughts as he has experienced in rp.
People are metagaming Marister's thoughts when they have no idea and were not present when he experienced.
DM Hawk Munroe are reviewing the matter. I respectfully request we allow them time to review.
Nobody is disagreeing with posting your thoughts, as my thread is Fenix's personal journal and personal thoughts. You might find that he also does not tend to get overly specific in most scenarios, especially with people he has no familiarity with. While yes posting in the thread may not have been best form, it is also not expressly against any rules listed in that forum. However rather than post publicly, then making a stink about it in another thread, would not your very suggestion of messaging the player via PM, and a DM via pm, be much more effective and productive? That being said...
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Post by Rane on Aug 9, 2017 19:37:43 GMT -5
Lucien's Tales of Cormyr are literally articles that are posted in Greatgaunt.
That means that anyone who wants to, gets to read them. They are totally different than internal ramblings of the mind.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 10, 2017 0:39:23 GMT -5
Lucien's Tales of Cormyr are literally articles that are posted in Greatgaunt. That means that anyone who wants to, gets to read them. They are totally different than internal ramblings of the mind. Exactly. They are public not private.
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Post by Southpaw on Aug 10, 2017 5:48:00 GMT -5
Lucien's Tales of Cormyr are literally articles that are posted in Greatgaunt. That means that anyone who wants to, gets to read them. They are totally different than internal ramblings of the mind. Exactly. They are public not private. They're also an in character action that give others in character information by in character means, and other characters are free to respond in character. In theory, someone who didn't like things being said could go so far as to kill Lucien for posting them. Not so with Marister. Huge difference.
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Post by Fenix on Aug 10, 2017 7:45:46 GMT -5
Exactly. They are public not private. They're also an in character action that give others in character information by in character means, and other characters are free to respond in character. In theory, someone who didn't like things being said could go so far as to kill Lucien for posting them. Not so with Marister. Huge difference. Aye, and this is where the issue has arisen, especially in past with the "What is known" where characters are determined to know anything posted, simply because "Marister would tell anybody". There is no physical interaction, nor a method to retaliate against this information as it is being spread "at all times" more or less. In this case, the issue was less to do with that it was posted, but more to do with it not actually even being knowledge Marister as a PC has had at all. The player voiced that concern to make a point and clarify that it was another PC entirely that should not have interaction with Marister in any way, due to the obvious. Much of the community is careful about the information posted about other pcs. Sensitive information should always be considered with another player, else you're ruining the magic of the whole thing, and potentially ruining the fun for more than a few people. There is a great deal of information that I have in Fenix's physical journal that I do not post, simply because it would oust some PCs, and ruin the fun for those players. Sure, the information is not -readily- available IC, unless you wish to steal his journal (Something I keep a physical item to represent), but posting things like "Oh i know this person is a harper, and this one is actually a necromancer not an Illmater" would have very negative connotation for the groups as a whole, unless the players were expressly okay with that. Perhaps word vaguely, as to suggest someone without naming them, and leave the subject matters out. "How she meanders between lovers, it troubles me. I wish only for her the best, and that her heart learn solidarity for a single, rather than meander everlong down a road lined with partners. This is a hope for me, but yet not one I place confidence in. That the bard should depart so swiftly will have no short impact, I imagine."The same point, with much less of a direction, and it opens the reader to speculation and interest, rather than just ousting someone. Failing that, just talking to a player is a good start. A simple "Hey is it cool if I post this? This is how i found out" is easy. And well, when things you don't like happen, PMing that player is much better than making a new thread each time.
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Post by Animayhem on Aug 12, 2017 2:18:58 GMT -5
The point of this post was to bring attention as I did not want several people replying thinking it was all right when it was not. If there was more than two who respond I did not want to continually send pm's. This is not about Marister Man of Mystery if you bother to read the preface. He is isolated away from people to think on events which happened. Apr 13, 2016 at 9:28am Post by Animayhem on Apr 13, 2016 at 9:28am Sitting on the grass near the shrine of Eldath, looking at the silver miniature statuette of Mielikki he found, Marister starts to think about his experiences in Cormyr.
May 13, 2017 at 2:16pm (ooc from here forward he is in the Guardian grove)
Fenix I read through briefly the first page of your narrative you mention your thoughts and experiences with people Fenix met and you mentioned names. I have done the same based on rp in Marister's Mind, The post of this date for instance Oct 31, 2013 in your thread. The difference is your post is in this: Please use the Adventurer's Registry to post descriptions, writings, images that are public and fair to be considered general knowledge to all player characters of FRC.
Marister's Mind is written in this:
For more private writings that are not to be considered general knowledge to most Forgotten Realms Cormyr characters, please use the password protected Creative Writing thread.
Community Members who read entries in the Creative Writing sub-forum are asked to treat the information as OOC only and to consider the information out of scope for what your character knows, unless the information has also been shared with your character in game. It is the responsibility of each of us individually as players to manage the information that our characters know and what they do not know. Before reading private writing, please be prepared to treat the information accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 2:55:31 GMT -5
To the letter, Animayhem is following the guidelines.
Anyone one of us RPing with each other at any given point run the "creative risk" of having "quieter deeds" being exposed in the public light at some point. It's up to person instigating "quieter deeds" to know when to be known and know when to ask for it to not be known. That's pretty much been that straightforward.
The details of IC vs OOC and the acquisition of that knowledge isn't my problem nor my focus. That's a separate matter entirely.
That being said, being one of the original lead minds behind Creative Writing, was advocated and encouraged on the pretense that the scripture issued would pertain to one's PC - strictly - while not bundling up others into it because of ... the inevitable outcries that'd happen.
One could slap the clause, "Not at the expense of another's fun," but that tolerance is to be judged by DMs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 3:10:05 GMT -5
It's worth clarifying that "public light" being cited on the pretense of introduction through the Forums. It's still known that the posted material isn't actually ICly meant to be aware. See what I did there...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 3:29:20 GMT -5
I like the Marister's Mind and Tactical Journal threads, it's a lot more personal of the character and their internal thoughts that isn't so easily expressed in most other mediums.
But having yet another one of these discussion threads over something that could have so simply and respectfully been handled with a friendly worded PM between parties is just getting silly. If there was an option to block/ignore selected topics so they don't show up in the recently updated posts/topic pages I'd have all these ignored whenever they pop up each month....
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Post by Fenix on Aug 12, 2017 5:24:51 GMT -5
The point of this post was to bring attention as I did not want several people replying thinking it was all right when it was not. If there was more than two who respond I did not want to continually send pm's. This is not about Marister Man of Mystery if you bother to read the preface. He is isolated away from people to think on events which happened. Apr 13, 2016 at 9:28am Post by Animayhem on Apr 13, 2016 at 9:28am Sitting on the grass near the shrine of Eldath, looking at the silver miniature statuette of Mielikki he found, Marister starts to think about his experiences in Cormyr.
May 13, 2017 at 2:16pm (ooc from here forward he is in the Guardian grove)
Fenix I read through briefly the first page of your narrative you mention your thoughts and experiences with people Fenix met and you mentioned names. I have done the same based on rp in Marister's Mind, The post of this date for instance Oct 31, 2013 in your thread. The difference is your post is in this: Please use the Adventurer's Registry to post descriptions, writings, images that are public and fair to be considered general knowledge to all player characters of FRC.
Marister's Mind is written in this:
For more private writings that are not to be considered general knowledge to most Forgotten Realms Cormyr characters, please use the password protected Creative Writing thread.
Community Members who read entries in the Creative Writing sub-forum are asked to treat the information as OOC only and to consider the information out of scope for what your character knows, unless the information has also been shared with your character in game. It is the responsibility of each of us individually as players to manage the information that our characters know and what they do not know. Before reading private writing, please be prepared to treat the information accordingly.
Yes, i do mention many pcs by name in that thread. And save for a select few, youll also notice i go into almost no detail from then on. In my first entry alone, youll note that i name a series of pcs that is then proceeded by "i want to learn more" and "reserved judgement for myself". I also tend to give a short heads up to people via pm or tell to say "hey is it cool if i talk about this?" Before i write something much more depthful that may not be common knowledge. Nobody is saying don't write. Theyre saying dont ask, and to make sure of where your info comes from. Marister didnt know the info you wrote about, that was the initial issue that was brought up. Your alt pc Azura was the one with the information you put in maristers thread. As far as where my post was located, i believe it was there predating the creative writing section possibly, but regardless was never actually decided that it needed separating, as it was never an issue. If a dm has changed their stance on that, they are welcome to break the thread up and shift it (har) appropriately.
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Post by sheisdeadly on Dec 28, 2018 13:15:59 GMT -5
Ded Moroz, translated to (Grand)father Frost, or Old Man Frost, is a legendary Slavic character that makes his rounds every New Year’s Eve. Along with his companion, Snegurochka, he brings delight to children as the two provide the little ones with gifts.
Although there are undoubtedly similarities between the character of Ded Moroz and another jolly man dressed in red who delivers presents, there are certain traits of this famous icon that differ from his western counterpart as well. Origins and Characteristics of Ded Moroz
Ded Moroz is a holiday character that has been transformed over the years. Pre-dating Christianity, Ded Moroz was a Slavic wizard, or demon, of winter. As legends show, the modern Ded Moroz favors the kind, gentle, and hardworking, but also is ready to punish any who are mean or lazy.
He was not always this way however, and today’s Father Frost, was once the ancient Morozko who, according to Russia Info Centre, was “a powerful hero and smith who chains water with his “iron” frosts.” Russian folk tales told of people “feeding” Morozko oatmeal kissel or kutya (boiled rice with raisins and honey) so he would not freeze their plants.
The darker side of Ded Moroz is also made apparent in Nikolai Nekrasov’s poem “Moroz – Red Nose;” a tale telling of Ded Moroz killing a peasant widow and orphaning her children. This cruel wizard of winter was also capable in the past of kidnapping children, and only returning them when their parents provided him with gifts.
Around the 19th century, the magical figure changed, and instead of kidnapping children, he now provides them with presents on New Year’s. However, his negative traits are still sometimes visible alongside his positive ones, in the stories of Father Frost - who is also called King Frost in the tales.
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According to tradition, Ded Moroz is about 2,000 years old, and Russian children provided him with a birthday of November 18. The home of Ded Moroz is found in Veliky Ustyug, Vologda Region, Russia, and is often visited by children and friends of Father Frost.
The holiday character can also be found travelling in and around Russia visiting children and acquaintances beginning in November, although his most important night in New Year’s Eve. This is the night that traditionally, Ded Moroz and his companion Snegurochka put presents under the fir tree (New Year’s Tree) for children to discover in the morning.
Regarding his appearance, Grandfather Frost is very similar to Father Christmas/Santa Claus. Generally, he is depicted as having a white beard and red nose and cheeks. He wears a long red coat, that is embroidered with stars and crosses, and has white fluff around the edges. He also has a red cap that is embroidered with pearls. His shirt and trousers are made of linen and also embroidered. He is often seen to be wearing red or white mittens and valenki (felt boots) on his feet. Due to his old age, and for magical powers, he also uses a pikestaff of silver or crystal.
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Post by Dobian on Dec 28, 2018 15:34:05 GMT -5
Ded Moroz, translated to (Grand)father Frost, or Old Man Frost, is a legendary Slavic character that makes his rounds every New Year’s Eve. Along with his companion, Snegurochka, he brings delight to children as the two provide the little ones with gifts. I think you want to put this on the creative writing board. This is an issue/discussion topic that just happens to be titled "creative writing".
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