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Post by maeglhachel on May 31, 2016 16:51:54 GMT -5
Yes. Marister had a slight alignment shift due to a story plot line, I thought maybe too much but he was still in his alignment range for his rp so did not say anything. In my opinion he has done things to get things back to more of a balance but it has not. (Yes I am aware alignment is technically an ooc thing) To get him back to where he was, is it the player's responsibility to contact the dm to arrange a plot to be restored or is it the dm who changed the alignment's responsibility.
Do not misconstrue this, I am not attacking the DM who did this I just wanted to understand how things in regards to alignment work here as each pw does things differently.
LOL, this reminds me of one of my fist alignment shift. Group raided the old goblin fortress and on top of the hill they find a doberman puppy among the ruins of the battle. Everybody goes Ooooo and Ahhhh ... poor puppy, let's feed and cuddle it ... poor puppy is sooo afraid. And Tarithel goes "Yeah, me I'm afraid, too. Can we please go, before more goblins appear? Take the dog along and pet him in Valkur's." But noooooo. And then, when they make their way out, eventually, worg riders respawn right underneath them and guess who they kill. And when they raise Tarithel with her very own scroll, she keeps giving them an earful all the way to Valkur's Roar bitching about and pointing out how much less compassion they were showing to the beggars they were passing by in the slums along the way than that dog. And guess what, that got her an evil point. Man, she was bitching about even more for a while after that  Errr .. and the moral of the story ... I think, (because of exactly the pointed-out difficulties with alignment changes) alignment changes _overall_ are very rare, DMs rather reluctant. In the vast majority of cases, I believe, people bring it to the DMs attention that they _want_ to work towards an alignment change, and then the DM (or maybe more?!?) can pay attention, watch the RP, and trickle in alignment changes according to that. A staff member may want to chime in here, though, because my obervation may not be representative. |
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Post by erratic1 on May 31, 2016 20:01:13 GMT -5
Yes. Marister had a slight alignment shift due to a story plot line, I thought maybe too much but he was still in his alignment range for his rp so did not say anything. In my opinion he has done things to get things back to more of a balance but it has not. (Yes I am aware alignment is technically an ooc thing) To get him back to where he was, is it the player's responsibility to contact the dm to arrange a plot to be restored or is it the dm who changed the alignment's responsibility.
Do not misconstrue this, I am not attacking the DM who did this I just wanted to understand how things in regards to alignment work here as each pw does things differently.
LOL, this reminds me of one of my fist alignment shift. Group raided the old goblin fortress and on top of the hill they find a doberman puppy among the ruins of the battle. Everybody goes Ooooo and Ahhhh ... poor puppy, let's feed and cuddle it ... poor puppy is sooo afraid. And Tarithel goes "Yeah, me I'm afraid, too. Can we please go, before more goblins appear? Take the dog along and pet him in Valkur's." But noooooo. And then, when they make their way out, eventually, worg riders respawn right underneath them and guess who they kill. And when they raise Tarithel with her very own scroll, she keeps giving them an earful all the way to Valkur's Roar bitching about and pointing out how much less compassion they were showing to the beggars they were passing by in the slums along the way than that dog. And guess what, that got her an evil point. Man, she was bitching about even more for a while after that Errr .. and the moral of the story ... I think, (because of exactly the pointed-out difficulties with alignment changes) alignment changes _overall_ are very rare, DMs rather reluctant. In the vast majority of cases, I believe, people bring it to the DMs attention that they _want_ to work towards an alignment change, and then the DM (or maybe more?!?) can pay attention, watch the RP, and trickle in alignment changes according to that. A staff member may want to chime in here, though, because my obervation may not be representative. Well I'd be put out too if I got an evil point for that, tbh, that's not evil at all. Not sure where evil comes into pointing out a group is being more concerned with an animal in distress than fellow sentient beings in distress. Maybe there's a context thing I'm missing. Now if Tarithel had kicked the puppy, I'd be more inclined to agree with it. |
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Post by DM Hawk on May 31, 2016 22:49:55 GMT -5
Hi folks,
Just to chime in on some points -
The DM team reserves the right to make alignment adjustments when observing character behavior, especially when that behavior is contrary to the character's alignment. The greater the gap between the behavior and the alignment of the character the more likely an adjustment would be. There's some luck of the draw involved in that a DM might not be on the scene or paying close attention to a character when behavior takes place. Unless actions are extreme, adjustments should be very small. It should take consistent behavior over time to result in a change on the alignment grid for a character.
Players who desire their character's alignment to change may send in a request to the DM team. The team will observe the character's behavior and award small adjustments over time towards the desired alignment if earned.
People don't always see eye to eye. If a character receives an alignment adjustment that the player disagrees with there are avenues to take (about this topic or any other about which one is concerned):
1. Ask the DM on the scene to talk about the alignment adjustment. If the DM has hands full at the moment a time can be determined to discuss the adjustment in due course.
2. If the DM is not known or if a player is uncomfortable asking a given DM they should feel free to contact a DM they are more comfortable talking to.
3. Finally, if a player prefers not to interact with a DM directly or wishes to remain anonymous, FRC's Player Advocates are here to help.
Let's not allow unspoken disagreement to turn into resentment. Raise the concern through appropriate channels so that it can be addressed. The final answer may or may not change but due consideration will be given along with reasons why.
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Post by Animayhem on May 31, 2016 23:43:04 GMT -5
Hi folks, Just to chime in on some points - The DM team reserves the right to make alignment adjustments when observing character behavior, especially when that behavior is contrary to the character's alignment. The greater the gap between the behavior and the alignment of the character the more likely an adjustment would be. There's some luck of the draw involved in that a DM might not be on the scene or paying close attention to a character when behavior takes place. Unless actions are extreme, adjustments should be very small. It should take consistent behavior over time to result in a change on the alignment grid for a character. Players who desire their character's alignment to change may send in a request to the DM team. The team will observe the character's behavior and award small adjustments over time towards the desired alignment if earned. People don't always see eye to eye. If a character receives an alignment adjustment that the player disagrees with there are avenues to take (about this topic or any other about which one is concerned): 1. Ask the DM on the scene to talk about the alignment adjustment. If the DM has hands full at the moment a time can be determined to discuss the adjustment in due course. 2. If the DM is not known or if a player is uncomfortable asking a given DM they should feel free to contact a DM they are more comfortable talking to. 3. Finally, if a player prefers not to interact with a DM directly or wishes to remain anonymous, FRC's Player Advocates are here to help. Let's not allow unspoken disagreement to turn into resentment. Raise the concern through appropriate channels so that it can be addressed. The final answer may or may not change but due consideration will be given along with reasons why. Thank you for the explaination. |
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Post by maeglhachel on Jun 1, 2016 0:55:49 GMT -5
Well I'd be put out too if I got an evil point for that, tbh, that's not evil at all. Just for the sake of completeness (and note to self: Don't write posts like that while falling asleep): I was a bit surprised when I noticed, but later I was laughing hard, and it's definitely made the trip more memorable and reminded me to ICly to bring the topic up at every suitable or unsuitable opportunity, for a while  |
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Post by emeraldsnowx on Jun 11, 2016 12:44:11 GMT -5
To look at it from the Law of Cormyr. The summoning of undead is illigal...there for Bad. When you pose a question like this is can become very complicated because people will always try to argue something and variables are always taken into consideration. This one is actually simple because Cormyrian law answers it....Bad juju.. ^ This is more a perspective of Law vs. Chaos, rather than Good vs. Evil. |
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