Templar
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Post by Templar on Jan 27, 2014 14:27:48 GMT -5
Making sure I understand completely. Monk multiclassing = Must follow Monk orders info linkOR never take another monk level after taking a class that does not follow the above? example: Monk lvl's taken and then weaponmaster... due to weaponmaster lvl they can never go back to take a lvl of monk but they dont' lose their monk lvl's. OR Take previous classes first and then only focus on the approved monk list? example: was a weaponsmaster first, then took monk, now must stick to monk multiclass restrictions entirely. Yes? No? Sorta?
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Post by Munroe on Jan 27, 2014 18:01:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you're asking two things or three things.
The answer is "monk multiclassing = must follow monk orders" AND "never take another monk level after taking a class that does not follow the above."
There are two options for taking monk levels: 1.) Have no classes other than monk. (Does not require an order.) 2.) Follow a monk order and multi-class accordingly. Character may have only monk levels and those allowed by the rules of the order.
A character may not take monk levels if they have levels in a class that would not be allowed by their order--a character with disallowed classes would not be able to join the order, and a character not in an order may not progress as a monk if he or she already has another class.
But it is possible to progress as other classes than those allowed by the order if the character no longer takes any more monk levels. The character no longer progresses as a monk but doesn't lose the abilities already gained. If a monk plans to leave his or her monk order, a DM should be notified so we can take note of that character's current monk levels.
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Post by Lady Frost on Jan 27, 2014 18:10:33 GMT -5
On a related question. Are PC's required to start as a monk? I thought I heard once that monks and paladins are required to begin as such, but I may have just imagined that.
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Post by Munroe on Jan 27, 2014 18:34:05 GMT -5
On a related question. Are PC's required to start as a monk? I thought I heard once that monks and paladins are required to begin as such, but I may have just imagined that. If the order doesn't allow for the class they start as, then they can't multi-class into paladin or monk. The same rule applies for taking level 1 in the class as applies for every other level. So no, they don't have to start as a paladin or a monk, but they do have to start as a class allowed by their paladin or monk order, and they have to follow the applicable rules of that order. So, for instance, Old Order, which specifies that monk levels must be higher than the total of all their other possible class levels (rogue, sorcerer, and/or shadowdancer) would have to start as a monk, and maintain their monk level higher than the combined totals of their other levels. The same goes for Sun Soul monks, who can have any one other class (provided that class isn't otherwise restricted) as long as their monk level is higher. In these cases, the monk class must be taken first so it can be higher at the start of the multi-classing, and they'd have to take two levels of monk before multi-classing. Monks of the Hin Fist, which allows, rogue, fighter, and paladin [of Yondalla] multiclassing, could start as a monk, rogue, fighter, or paladin, and multiclass into monk. Note that a paladin/monk of Yondalla could not take the Hin-fist allowed rogue or fighter classes and continue to take paladin levels, because their paladin order doesn't allow them. Paladins of Yondalla (order: Shields of Yondalla) could start as a monk of the Hin Fist and multi-class into paladin, as long as they didn't also have rogue or fighter classes, because the Shields of Yondalla paladin order doesn't allow those multi-class options. Making sense?
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Andros
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Post by Andros on Feb 7, 2019 13:15:39 GMT -5
Follow up question for clarity's sake:
If I do not join an order I can start as anything then pick up Paladin or Monk after right?
Example: I start with a Lawful Good fighter up until level 4, then RP him discovering a divine calling, swearing the paladin's oath or whatever you're supposed to do and continue leveling as Paladin of X god unafiliated to any order.
I always assumed this must be allowed since the reverse is (starting as Paladin then dumping it forever) but recent discussions have led me to seek an official response (I'm planning to make such a character)
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Post by DM Sauron on Feb 7, 2019 15:07:17 GMT -5
Follow up question for clarity's sake: If I do not join an order I can start as anything then pick up Paladin or Monk after right? Example: I start with a Lawful Good fighter up until level 4, then RP him discovering a divine calling, swearing the paladin's oath or whatever you're supposed to do and continue leveling as Paladin of X god unafiliated to any order. I always assumed this must be allowed since the reverse is (starting as Paladin then dumping it forever) but recent discussions have led me to seek an official response (I'm planning to make such a character)
You can start as anything that is not paladin, sure. However, there are some restrictions.
- If the character discovers a divine call, and thus would want to become a paladin if he embraces this new walk of life, then the fighter would have to join an official paladin order that allows paladins to multiclass into fighters.
Additionally, it would also need to be an order that has no other conditions, like more paladin levels than those of other classes required.
- If the character is a fighter and wants to initiate monastic training to become a monk, he would have to join a canon monk order that allows monks to train as fighters as well.
In addition, it would also need to be a monastic order that has no other conditions, like more monk levels than those of other classes required.
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Andros
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Post by Andros on Feb 7, 2019 19:29:33 GMT -5
Is this an FRC rule or a PNP rule? I admit it's been years since I last read up on the 3rd edition source book but I don't remember such a rule
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Post by DM Sauron on Feb 7, 2019 22:06:43 GMT -5
Is this an FRC rule or a PNP rule? I admit it's been years since I last read up on the 3rd edition source book but I don't remember such a rule
This I think comes from
"the Deities Do’s and Don’ts web supplement, pgs. 7-8"
In other words, a 3rd edition source.
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Post by Munroe on Feb 7, 2019 23:31:08 GMT -5
Is this an FRC rule or a PNP rule? I admit it's been years since I last read up on the 3rd edition source book but I don't remember such a rule This I think comes from "the Deities Do’s and Don’ts web supplement, pgs. 7-8" In other words, a 3rd edition source. The FRC rule regarding not multiclassing into level one of monk or paladin with classes outside of an order's allowed classes it an interpretation that applies the same standard to level one in the monk or paladin class as is applied to all other levels of the class. The individual multi-classing options are from Deity Do's and Don'ts.
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