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Post by lakhena on Aug 20, 2010 14:43:51 GMT -5
How do people detect a wild shaped Druid may be something other than an animal?
True seeing? Detect magic?
(I'm ignoring whether a person has reason to be suspicious of an animal to try to see if it's a shifted person in the first place.)
I apologize if this has been in another thread. My forum search skills are limited.
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Post by Penguin on Aug 25, 2010 17:40:34 GMT -5
I can't remember the exact post, but i recall there was a question along these lines asked a couple months ago about how wildshape works against dispel magics and/or wild/null magic zones. The consensus seemed to be that even though NWN from a mechanics standpoint makes Wildshape unable to be messed with (i.e. it can't be dispelled, works in null magic zones, etc.) by pnp it is still a divine spell granted to druids. As it is a spell that has allowed them to shift their form, my understanding is that a wizard or other scryer would be able to detect magics on them and determine they are not exactly what they appear to be. As to how specific the druid could be scried, for example their true identity, that I am not sure of.
I hope that helped a bit.
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Post by Munroe on Aug 25, 2010 17:54:59 GMT -5
Wildshape is a Supernatural (Su) ability. Supernatural abilities don't work like spells (those are Spell-like Abilities (Sp)) but they are magical in nature. (Su) abilities are not supposed to work in Dead Magic zones. NWN doesn't have any classifications for (Ex), (Su), and (Sp) so it doesn't make any distinction of what is magical (Su AND Sp) and what isn't (Ex). True Seeing should see through WildShape to reveal the character's true form. True Seeing also sees through the various polymorphing spells in the same way. PHB 3.5e, page 314 Supernatural ability (Su): A magical power that produces a particular effect, as opposed to a natural, extraordinary, or spell-like ability. Using a supernatural ability generally does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Supernatural abilities are not subject to dispelling, disruption, or spell resistance. However, they do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated, such as inside an antimagic field. |
In a review of the Detect Magic spell, it only specifically lists detecting "functioning spells" and "magic items." Since Supernatural Abilities are not spells (or even spell-like abilities), I wouldn't think they would be detected. That's a personal interpretation, but I don't think Detect Magic would detect a Wild-Shaped druid as magical because of the Wild-Shape. Now as to whether the Wild-Shaped druid's merged gear would detect, that's a separate issue and I haven't looked into it yet.
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Post by Munroe on Oct 14, 2011 2:42:49 GMT -5
I'm not certain what the ruling on this is on FRC; perhaps a dm q&a is in order. I believe my post above in this previously existing DM Q&A already answers this question. This also pertains to the shifter's Greater Wildshape ability as it is initially an (Sp) spell-like ability but then becomes an (Su) supernatural ability, and is listed as functioning the same as Wild Shape except as its entry indicates ( Shifter entry).
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Post by FlyingMidget on Apr 26, 2015 23:58:42 GMT -5
I was told OOC via tell that True Seeing doesn't see through shifter form's even though such to my knowledge it should and from my understanding of Masters of the Wild, which is a supplemental 3.0 book which introduced some things used in 3.5.
I'm curious if there has been a change in the opinion of DM's since this Q&A or if this is still the case and people have been spreading misinformation mistakenly as a Shifters abilities are a greater form of Wildshape.
I did have a look for other posts in a similar vain, though this was the latest post I could find from my search.
FM.
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Post by Munroe on Apr 27, 2015 3:53:26 GMT -5
I was told OOC via tell that True Seeing doesn't see through shifter form's even though such to my knowledge it should and from my understanding of Masters of the Wild, which is a supplemental 3.0 book which introduced some things used in 3.5. I'm curious if there has been a change in the opinion of DM's since this Q&A or if this is still the case and people have been spreading misinformation mistakenly as a Shifters abilities are a greater form of Wildshape. I did have a look for other posts in a similar vain, though this was the latest post I could find from my search. FM. True Seeing should penetrate both the druid and shifter shapeshifting abilities, including all varieties of WildShape, to allow seeing the druid's natural form. (That is their standard humanoid form in the case of all druids and shifters on FRC.) True Seeing should penetrate all magical disguises and polymorphing effects on FRC, including druid and shifter WildShape, but I am aware of an epic unique item on FRC that says specifically in its description that True Seeing doesn't work to penetrate its effect. As it is written as a specific exception to the functioning of True Seeing, I guess it is one. I would advise you to direct misinformed parties to this thread for clarification.
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Post by FlyingMidget on Apr 27, 2015 4:01:28 GMT -5
Cheers for the reply Munroe, it's good to have things bumped in any case to ensure people are kept up to date on such things.
FM.
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