Healing?

[sharrington]

I was discussing a RP with Tskfrce today and something dawned on me. In real life if you have a cut hand or something and some guy runs up to you and just tries to forcefeed you pills and put ointments on your wound.. what would you do? Me I be dialing those 3 little numbers 911. I don't know who he is or what he is really trying to do... So why would it be any diffrent in FRC. i walk up to the campfire all the time and Lau is always getting beat up bad.. and every time some overzealous person runs up and heals him. Next time there getting punched... thats your warning. Now if you wear a doctor's or nurses outfit and come up and help me I might take it, but in FRC is there a standard healers outfit? Whats that you say? I should recognize a cleric on sight? Or maybe that your wearing icons and such that I would need to RP in advance to knwo that? Ok fine.. Next time your hurt I'm gonna have my favorite cleric come over and cast a spell on you... Hey Raven got a moment? Yeah thats what I would do too.. run for the hills or swing first.. IMO its not normal to run up and heal people you don't know.. at least attempt to RP it out first.. like TskFrce did.. well kinda

[Jerico]

This works in some situations. And if you remember Jerico asked and Lau "shrugs shoulders*.

As for the man who walked out of the Crypt histerical because he said he saw a ghost.... This man needed help and it was rendered. No need to ask.

Now in most circumstances I would have to agree with you. But when one RPs a poor situation or injury then another can act on the RP.

[DM Richard (Retired)]

You might want to quickslot a warning like "back off" *Makes fists and moves into a fighting position* before you start just punching and saying I warned you in the forums.

[sharrington]

Oh Iwill I mean it in a RP form not PVP of course..LOL

"A man approaches Lau with his arms pointed at him. Lau tenses.. the man starts speaking some gibbersish Lau doens't recognize and his hands begin to glow... Lau kicks him swiflty between the legs (interrupting the spell) and hides behind Donovan.." LOL

[sharrington]

Jerico said:

This works in some situations. And if you remember Jerico asked and Lau "shrugs shoulders*.

As for the man who walked out of the Crypt histerical because he said he saw a ghost.... This man needed help and it was rendered. No need to ask.

Now in most circumstances I would have to agree with you. But when one RPs a poor situation or injury then another can act on the RP.

and I do agree with you..LOL this is too much fun....

[Kolfrosta]

Oddly enough, I tend to agree with you, sharrington.

Generally, a person willing to heal someone whom they don't know, is probably also polite enough to at least ask if they could be of any assisstance. I have seen so many "hit and run" healings lately it's just about laughable. Such a golden RP opportunity, and most people (I did say most...meaning "not all") just whip out the kits and the spells and are done with it and go on their merry way.

This is of course just my humble opinion

[Quadhund/Greenhouse]

I know I have had hrothgar lash out verbally at people who try to heal him on sight. Basically they get offended but neither hrothgar nor myself feel any remorse for hurting their feelings. Hrothgar assumes the worst of every character he meets and his first inclination is that someone waggling their fingers is trying to hurt hrothgar when he is already wounded. Now if Hroth is in battle and is travelling with you, he expects no less than to be healed when an enemy is beating him to a bloody pulp, but dont worry about when you are supposed to be able to distinguish the two situations as he will tell you ...

[soulfien]

A wounded animal is always on its guard. It's a fact of nature. Also, what I find funny is how people cloaked in barkskin are seen as wounded

How does the "hit and run" cleric see through the enchantment?

[Misha Aogail]

Maybe because of the barkskin, they bleed sap?

[sharrington]

So tonight I walk up to the fire gravely hurt and Febrien.. who my character has never met runs up and heals me completely 3 seconds from me resting... thats crap.. no offense against the player.. they didn't know any better.. but there was no RP before or after.. and the only reason I didn't open up warfare on them was by the time I realized they did it and with the current lag they had run off.

COME ON! At least RP with me.. what happened made me feel like I was robbed of RP. The DM's have told me not to so I won't but if I had my way and someone cast a spell at me I didn't know... I would PVP them on the spot... What would Jacob do if Raven walks up to him in Isinhold and starts casting a spell at him? Yeah. So the DM's say they mean well.. big deal there acting OOC.. and ruining my RPing. I didn't join a RP server to be healed like I would on a hack and slash server. Please RP it.. thats all I ask. I'm not allowed to defend myself from spellcasters in town. But my warning goes out.. Outside of town you run up and cast a spell at my charcter and I don't know you well I will attack without warning.. I would do the same to any kobold that cast a spell at me or any bandit mage that started waving its hands.. Just cause theres a real person behind the PC does not mean that IC I should no that and not defend ,myself.. My point is said.. I'm done

[DM Richard (Retired)]

Reading this I feel like I'm back at work. For days employee A has a problem with how employee B is doing something and the two never talk about it. But employee A keeps getting madder and finally runs to me to complain and tell me that employee B isn't doing his job right. Funny how after they talk 90% of the time they find out that if employee A had said something days ago employee B would have changed his actions and there would have been no problem.

People need to talk to each other! I wish everyone would read the forums as much as I do! But they don't and you don't have to horde your knowledge. Remember to be tactful and things usually work out great.


So thinking about this did you send them a tell letting them know about this thread or calmly explaining to them how this makes you feel or did you just go on your way and explode here? If they aren't reading this thread and didn't know better what good did coming back here and posting this do? Not everyone can roleplay without making some mistakes. It is conversation and showing people how to rp that teaches others how to improve themselves. Take the high road and help people to understand.

Last note on this, it was 5 days ago when it dawned on you about this whole healing problem. If you've been playing this long and just 5 days ago thought of this you shouldn't be suprised that others haven't thought of this too. What else might you not have thought of and are doing wrong that others have thought of but haven't told you?

[sharrington]

I'm a bit mellowed out since the last post, so I'm ready to discuss it, though in no way do I withdraw any of the statements. In answer to you Richard, yes, I have been discussing it with the players, and I have not been upset at them for doing it, the ones I have talked to, for the most part understand what I say, and all but one of them have agreed with me on it. As to why it dawned on me five days ago, well, you right I should have seen it before. I'm finally playing a character that pays more attention to what others say and do then what he says and does. And while it can be a bit humbling like this, it does make a lot of RP mistakes show up. And by mistakes I mean doing things without RPing them that belong on a hack and slash server. ... So to sum it all up, I have been explaining my POV to each person that does it to me, to the point that when people see me fully healed and not happy IC, they ask automaticly,"Someone heal you without RP again?" . As to why I'm so frustrated, I can tell everyone in the world, but as long as I'm the only one explaining it, it will go no further then a whim of a player, not a change of view for RPing. Now if others who held this POV would help me by explaining to people it would go a lot further. (Disregard this message Quad, I know your doing your best). So... perhaps I am better off asking anyone who reads this thread, especially the DM's who at least in part agree with my POV on the lack of RPing around 'hit and run healers', to please do there part to teach others. After all were not cavemen inFRC, we don't grunt and bash your neighbor. Drag his Cave woman home by her hair. FRC is for them most part intelligent, well spoken, and thoughtfull conversationalists. I exclude the numerous half-orcs I've seen lately from that last part.. So if your reading this and you agree with this POV, please I would take it as a personal favor if you would tell a friend. Thank you Sean

[DM Richard (Retired)]

I totally agree that hit and run healings are silly and alot of chances to rp are wasted by players in more than this particular way. Roleplaying is a long road to travel when you think you are almost there you realize new aspects that show you there is more travel time ahead.

"I'm a bit mellowed out since the last post, so I'm ready to discuss it, though in no way do I withdraw any of the statements."

Cool that's much better! And I agree with you that this is everyones job not just yours or mine. Just try to remember (and I'm talking to the mod not just to sharrington) the way you approach things makes a big difference in if it is accepted or not.

As far as retracting statements... I just don't want you letting your frustrations out on some guy that happens to think he is being nice and helping you when you haven't even warned him not to do so.

I wasn't trying to change your opinion of it being poor roleplaying.

[Gusty]

Maybe some of them figure you are unable to ask since your character chooses not to speak...? There is always another side to everything. PvP without warning is not the answer and according to the rules of this server (and not some hack and slash server) unacceptable. C'mon Sean you already know this stuff man.

[Ixiume]

I think Sean is right mic realy isent a healer but if she happens to notice somone who is bleeding all over the Floor of the Inn she will stand up in shock i mean if you saw some guy walk in who had a cut the size of a grand canyon in his arm etc... whut whould you do....
mind you this happens alot in FRC hehe becuse we are all adventures and risk takers but that raised up the point to Rp.. {Example} Whut happend to you, do you need help, are you ok etc..

[sharrington]

Ok gusty for you I will work on my wording..Whay I mean is outside of a town, if someone comes up and starts casting a spell, I'm going warlike if I'm fast enough, but if they get it off before I can do anything, and most lesser spells will go off that fast then I'll pull back. I will not PVP after the fact, but some of those spells like heal take a while to cast, should I stand there and wait for it to go off, or should I try to disrupt it? Like everyones character, I have made a few... enem.. I mean not-friends.... LOL... and there are still people who log on that I have never seen in the last 4 months I have been here. How should I react, cause if you say everyone should wait to see what a spell does before they react, I'm making a cleric who likes to cast slay living, destruction, and implosion. I would like to make the point that I have been killed a few times now by a certain cleric.. in isinhold.. by watching his spells instead of reacting... If you ask me to never react till the spell goes off... well then thats changing the whole balance of the server for me in the favor of spell casters... what chance is there for RPing after they murder you? None I think.... what do you think?

[Gusty]

Well I was an EMT and when someone needs help, they get help. If they refuse help, guess what? They still get help. They resist help, out of their mind with pain... you deal with it and help them anyways.

If your character is lying on the ground bleeding out, unable to ask for help, what would you prefer? Someone to help you. Or to walk on by because they know how you feel about being healed...

Personally I thank anyone who is so unselfish as to spend some of their healing materials on me even knowing that I am inches from the rest area.

If the spell they are casting on you turns out to be hostile in nature then feel free to defend yourself. If you weren't expecting PvP then they broke the rules. But dont preemptively break the rules yourself because you don't agree with their unselfish healing policies. Thanks.

- G

[sharrington]

Well since there seems to be no answer to this.. and no matter what I say about people not Rping it.. it comes back to I should appreciate hack and slash style healing fine.. I give up.. my wish to Rp is not enough.. clerics can do what they want to me and I won't respond.. I promise. Sean

[Kolfrosta]

Well now yes, there are circumstances that call for some common sense. Character lying on the ground bleeding to death..or even near death, in reality, you wouldn't ask, as there may not be time to be polite to save their life. For the walking wounded in town, they are walking around, so as thier life is not in immmediate danger, a little "What happened to you?" or "You look
hurt pretty bad, may I help?" before healing them wouldn't hurt.

As to "giving up" well....keep in mind, not everyone reads the forums.....sometimes you have to try to be the example of RP, and others will see in game and (hopefully) catch on and follow suit. It does work with the right players. And it shows the less experienced players what RP is.

[Quadhund/Greenhouse]

Hey G,
As an emt arent you supposed to talk to the people you are working on so they dont freak out on ya, even if they are unconcious? As a Boy Scout (no where near the level of EMT) we were trained to talk to our victim ... uhh ... I mean patient while we helped them.

"Sir, Do you need help?"
No response
"Sir I am going to try to help you."
*approaches victim*
No response
"Sir I am gonna try to bring you back to life"
"AHHH Get away from me I was just trying to take a nap!"

Now if I am in battle and a kindly hero walks by, if they are good aligned, I would expect them to run to my aid either by healing me or helping with the battle. This I equate to something like watching a person drown. I have only had to save a few people in this type of situation (drowning in real life), but you just know when it means their life.

Finally, if you find a dead body lying on the side of the road, well how do you know the person isnt just sleeping until you check? Funny thing is if you are bleeding to death, the PC will automatically call for healing . The only other way you would know is that handy dandy tab button ... and that would be metagaming ...

So I still agree with Sean on the point of attacking because characters start waggling fingers. But in most cases, you should definitely warn the PC FIRST that it is poor RP to just come up and start healing. If it is a character (PC) you have warned before, and they continue to do it ... well, gods help them ...

ANd yes Gusty, OOC I really do appreciate those people that waste all their medkits on me, but IC hroth doesnt really know whether or not they are trying to kill them and/or poison him.

[Talus]

Considering he had a problem with a guy running up and cast any number of spells at him continually, Vashal is a bit wary of people he doesn't know casting things at him. On the other hand he tends to trust most people, but as a player I tend to agree it is bad RP, but I have noticed this tend to go in phases, everyone RPing it really well, then run by healings.*shrugs*

ok I rambling time to stop.

[Munroe]

Several responses.

1. Attacking someone who heals you in my view would be perfectly acceptable, especially considering that when Cure spells are used offensively (ie against undead), they are a melee touch attack, which means that even when used benignly, a touch would actually be involved and in fact if someone doesn't wish for you to heal them, it should still incur a melee touch attack, which would be grounds for a combat response.

My character (a bard/cleric of Lathander) will normally ask if she may heal the person in Lathander's name if she doesn't know the person. If she does know the person, she will often assume permission, though in the case of one person that told her not to touch her, she did ask permission and did state that it would require her to touch the other person.

2. A person who is barkskinned would more than likely continue bleeding normal red blood. It's the skin that's bark, not the whole person.

3. I had a third point but I forget.