Half-Dragons

[♥Zach♥]

I noticed somthing, while looking at a few other servers some people had amnay ideas as to what a "Red Dragon Disciple" means.

I'm sure it means (Very Sure) that your char at one point in his or her family tree had the blood of the draconic race run threw it's vains, the class would make your haritage more evident sort to speak, the blood of the red dragon would start to show it's true colors.

What is your take on this fellow Players and DMs?

[♥Zach♥]

What Is a Race of the Dragon

Dragons have been living and breeding for eons. Sorcerers of any humanoid race carry a trace of this draconic ancestry. Is every sorcerer a member of a race of the dragon? No -- although the blood of the dragon may be in all of them, it is dilute and latent in the vast majority. Other races such as lizardfolk and troglodytes likewise may have had touches of dragon blood in their past, but they no longer have strong links to any dragon ancestry. That link is necessary for one to claim descent from draconic ancestry. Being a member of dragonblood race goes much deeper than merely speaking Draconic or having scales. Races of the dragon are those with strong ties to their dragon progenitors. They look, feel, and often behave in ways that ref lect their mighty draconic heritage.

Races of the Dragon Excerpt
By Gwendolyn F.M. Kestrel, Jennifer Clarke Wilkes,
Kolja Raven Liquette

[♥Zach♥]

Sure I notice the traits of a half dragon can range in veration ;D

One could be born looking more of it's reptillian draconic parent then it's human or any race the dragon happend to fall in love with

by Emily Fiegenschuh
It can range to more human but still semi reptile appearances

by Ed Cox

[Quadhund/Greenhouse]

I agree, thats why only bards and sorcs can become them. The blood is part of their ancestry and one of the reasons why they have magic powers innately. ANd I wouldnt call them half dragons, because to me that is something entirely different. Instead, the draconic blood line comes out as the person begins to study and utilize their powers.

I would also like to think that the RDD class similar to the CoT class in that CoT is treated as Divine Champion instead of champion of torm on this server. Likewise I would say you dont have to be descended exactly from a Red dragon, but you could be from a gold or silver or whatever. Being from a Red would imply a certain amount of anger and hatred.

Well thats just my opinion.

[Munroe]

In the case of the Red Dragon Disciple in NWN, I would say it would be treated as a Red Dragon Disciple because the appearance matches that particular chromatic dragon, as does the breath weapon and other particulars.

I'm not familiar with the FRC-specific rule for RDD, but if I saw a person with red wings, I'd treat them as having red dragon ancestry.

[♥Zach♥]

I would agree with DM Munroe, so here even dispite the name of the class you can still use it for other class properties.

Is it possible that even with Red Dragon Disciple class that the man or woman could still have another race of dragon, or the champion of Torm class could imply Divine Champion for any number of good religions?

[♥Zach♥]

By taking the Red Dragon Disciple the char could be forming a stronger link with his or her ancient draconic haratige or recent haritage possibly going 5 to 4 generations back.

[♥Zach♥]

This is pretty interesting and worth exploring ;D

Anyone else able to find information of draconic haratige?

[Talus]

wolfmunroe said:

In the case of the Red Dragon Disciple in NWN, I would say it would be treated as a Red Dragon Disciple because the appearance matches that particular chromatic dragon, as does the breath weapon and other particulars.

I'm not familiar with the FRC-specific rule for RDD, but if I saw a person with red wings, I'd treat them as having red dragon ancestry.

Person with any leathery wings, should be treated as a unholy abmonation to be destoyed. They could be a demon or a dragon. But they shouldn't be viewed as some nice person. Just my opinion though

[Quadhund/Greenhouse]

I am 99.9% sure Champion of Torm is treated as divine champion on FRC. I think the prerequisites are the same too (anyone have a FR Campaign setting handy?) And so you should be able to take divine champion of not only good, but neutral deities ... i think.

Also ... i think if we are to treat all RDDs as red dragon descendants, the people should keep in mind the qualities and demeanor of a red dragon ... hmm i think this topic was addressed long ago. I just think it funny that as far as I can remember, all the RDDs on the server are friendly (Liahn, Lili, D', and who was Don's wife? Dawnfyre or something)

[♥Zach♥]

Person with any leathery wings, should be treated as a unholy abmonation to be destoyed. They could be a demon or a dragon. But they shouldn't be viewed as some nice person. Just my opinion though

Got to agree on that, always good to remeber that most towns people were bady, BADLY uneducated. Not counting things needed to survive and common sense, although some towns people make me wonder a lot

Wings, bat like wings. Must be evil! ;D

This picture tells everything talus deva just said.

Life is not just hard for halfdragons, most half-orcs are made fun of, shun, attacked. Making as I have read "Life with a savage orc tribe look survivable by comparisen" Sadly life takes the voice of majority no matter how much reason and wisdom a single voice holds

Even the "Beautiful"half-elves are often shuned, normal races don't even have it easy

[♥Zach♥]

Oddly I never notice a racist town folk bad mouth a elf or dwarf nor a dwarf bad mouth a elf. It's normal, the thing that kept me here (And I don't want to sound like I advicate rasicm) but one time my Elf was shuned by another PC just for being an elf. I have to give credit, that was the most real form of Role-play in a char I had ever seen ;D

But lets not get off topic

[Talus]

quadhund said:

I just think it funny that as far as I can remember, all the RDDs on the server are friendly (Liahn, Lili, D', and who was Don's wife? Dawnfyre or something)

Some of them aren't so friendly when you call them demon, or try to get an angry mob after them. But of course I think I had the mob after me, after I said somethings. ;D

[♥Zach♥]

True, racial traits can come with birth but i'm sure behavure can tag along.

Some Half-drow can turn out to be cruel and evil as their drow parent, other times they can be a sane good willed person.

I know a tiefling can be born good, dispite the 1 in 1000,000,000,000 chance that happens, but MOST do follow in their demonic bloods footsteps and be just as cruel as they are.

I know a Half-Dragon red can carrie on the gem hoarding need the dragon parent had. or they can be surprisingly be born good willed.

It's life I guess, the gene pool does seem to love throw wild cards, but I guess the enviroment does play a part in alighnment. say if a half-drow child was kept around his evil drow parent chances are the child will do thesze learned behavures. or if a Half-orc is kept with his caring kind, loving human mother chances are the half-orc will be a good fellow to hang around.

[♥Zach♥]

The civilization can have an effect on race and behavure as well, I known in Dambrath drow nad half-drow are so common the land shuns the more normal races and often reguards them as little more then servants if they have no drow blood.

It's funny that way I guess

[♥Zach♥]

I guess a civilization that reguards a race more normaly will aid in their own advancments in society.

The first picture bu Emily may show a half-dragon woman in a more accepting society, that or she is living in a tower near the edge of the woods and not one ignorant smelly towns folk dare go near it ;D

it could be one of the two

[♥Zach♥]

I did locate a tid bit of information reguarding a dragon deity but still is worshiped by half-dragons.

And even more interesting is it has to do with Cormyr to! ;D

(The work contained on this page is the property and copyright of Dargoth and is contained herein with permission.. Dargoth has used the Draconomicon D&D product for adapting into the Forgotten Realms setting.)


Church of Bahamut in Cormyr and the Stonelands

By Dargoth

Bahamut in the Realms

Before the elves walked upon Faerun, Bahamut played a far more active role in the realms then he has in recent times. His followers founded 2 city states one in the Marsh of tun the other in Farsea marsh both of these cities where ruled by Metalic Dragons and populated with Half Dragons and Dragonkin, all those who worshiped Bahamut where welcome there. The 2 cities thrived for more than 10,000 years until Tiamat and her Chromatic Dragons destroyed the cities in the first Dragon rage. The destruction was so complete that an Avatar of Tiamat was able to appear in the 2 cities and sow the soil and air with pestilence so no one could ever live there.

The ruins of the two cities can still be found in those 2 Marshes, Tiamats pestilence still remains.

After the destruction of the two cities Bahamut seemed to slowly withdraw from the world of Toril. He maintained only a slight interest in the world mainly involving his True Dragon followers.

Bahamuts interest in Faerun was rekindled in 1359DR when Gareth Dragonsbane a paladin of Ilmater and the future King of Damara meets Bahamut on his home plane. Gareth asks the Platinium Dragon how he might destroy the Wand of Orcus which he had stoleon from that Demon Lord abode in the Abyss. Bahamut told him he must kill an Avatar of the Goddess Tiamat and thrust the wand into her heart. Against all odds Gareth did this and returned to Damara where he was hailed as its King. Bahermats interest was piqued by Gareths actions and was impressed that a mortal human could take on the might of Tiamat, Bahamuts most hated foe.

Tiamat to began to take note of Faerun she was enraged by the death of her avatar and sort vengeance on Gareth and the people of Damara. Tiamat has been gathering a Flight of Chromatic Dragons at the ruins of the Witch Kings castle in Vaasa. Bahamut took note of this to and sent several metallic Dragons and some of his humanoid followers to the Monastery of the Yellow Rose, home to an order of Monks and Paladin dedicated to the Human god Ilmater. There Bahamut with Ilmaters blessing has founded an order of Dragonslayers who would help defend Damara should Tiamat and her spawn ever attack.

Damara though is not the only place Bahermut has taken an interest in during the last 15 years. He has visited many metallic dragons in person and encouraged them to breed. This has resulted in an increase in the population of Wyrmling/young Metalic Dragons throughout the realms. Bahamut has also approached the various Dragonkin Tribes converting several of them.

Tiamats admission to the Faerunian Pantheon in 1369 has spurred Bahamut further. Seeing that Tiamat had begun recruiting humans as worshipers, Bahamut decided to do the same. He also planned to establish a realm of Good Dragons somewhere in Faerun. Bahermut had first intended to establish this realm in Mulhorand, which was a neighbour of Tiamats stronghold of Unther. However upon discovering that that Mulhorand tolerated slavery he decided it was unsuitable for his realm.

Up until 1373 Bahamut had yet to decide where he would establish his realms. But by the end of that year he had a decision

In 1371 the kingdom of Cormyr was beset by plague and a horde of Orcs and Goblins led by a Red Dragon. While the Cormyrians manage to defeat this horde it was not without cost, Cormyrs King was killed battling the Red Dragon and the Crown Princess died putting to rest the Ghazneth curse, the Cormyian city of Arabel was also sacked. The following year things got worse for Cormyr, The Netherse city of Shade returned to Faerun and in attempting to melt the High Ice created Flood and Drought in Cormyr, this led to war with Shade and while the Cormyrians won the city of Tilverton and much of Cormyrs army was destroyed in the battle. Worse still Vangerdahest the leader of War wizards was struck down (believed to have been driven mad.)

By the end of 1372 Cormyr is in dire straits, it has suffered 2 years of poor harvest, its army has been decimated through 2 bloody wars, 2 of its Cities have been sacked or destroyed, Orcs and Goblins roam freely within Cormyrs borders, the king and crown princess are dead and Cormyrs heir Azoun the V is but an infant. These where but a few of the problems that faced Cormyr and its Steel Princess when Bahamut made his offer.

In the first month of 1373 Kalgliteris a Gold great Wyrm and a favoured servant of Bahermut approached the Cormyrians. He offered Bahamuts deal, if the Cormyrians ceded the Stonelands to the Metallic Dragons who served Bahamut then the dragons would help cleanse the Orcs and Goblins from Cormyrs lands and would sign a alliance between the Cormyian and the Dragons so long as Cormyr was led by a Just and righteous king.

The Cormyians being unable to control the Stonelands even at the height of Cormyrs power considered the Stonelands to be no great loss for such a valuable deal, so they agreed and since then several Gold and Silver Dragons have been seen flying towards the Stonelands. In addition a number of Bronze Dragons have settled in Cormyrs costal regions.

True Dragons are not the only Dragonkind to be heading into the Stonelands, Saurials, Half Dragons and Draconic creatures have also been seen. The Cormyian garrison at High Hold where greeted with a startling sight one morning when 20 Gold Silver and Bronze Half Dragon Paladins of Bahamut rode past the fortress mounted on Spiked Felldrakes.

So close has the alliance become, that the infant Azoun now has Dragon body guard. To most “Tabby” appears to be nothing more than a light brown kitten a pet for young Azoun, Only Alusair and Caladnei know the truth, “Tabby” is actually Tabadortankisdracona a Young Adult Gold Dragon. Tabby has already proven his worth as a body guard to young Azoun when single handily stopped an Assassination attempt on infant Azouns life, the attack was carried out by force of Assasins from Shade enclave as payback for Cormyr war against them, Shades hoped to sow more chaos in the country by killing the you Azoun. When the Shades Assasins stepped out of the Shadow plane and into Azouns crèche the last thing they sore was a very Angry Gold Dragon.

Other elements that I have adapted from the Draconomicon to the Forgotten Realms:

Klorphaxius now lairs in Myth Drannor

Othocintlydavarei lairs in Hullacks forest and the evil

druids are the followers of Malar in the Wyvernstones of Hullack adventure in F&P

Iyriddlemirev lives in the sewers of Marsember

Natintrapa lives in the Stonelands

Kacdaniymila and Zudimulamshius both live in Suzail

www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/bahamut.htm

[♥Zach♥]

I figured it to be interesting and worth the time to give a sample of who Bahamut is.

Bahamut

Power: Lesser deity

Title: The Platinum Dragon, King of the Good Dragons, Lord of the North Wind

Alignment: LG

Worshipers: Good dragons, anyone seeking protection from evil dragons

Clerics: LG, NG

Symbol: Star above a milky nebula

Domains: Air, Dragon, Good, Luck, Protection, Nobility, Storm

Portfolio: good dragons, wind, wisdom

Favored weapon: Heavy pick (bite)

Specifically Opposed Deities: Tiamat

Bahamut's Symbol


Bahamut's most common aspect or avatar, behind man of the ranger ilk.

[Munroe]

Champions of Torm are treated as Divine Champions on FRC. Only difference is Divine Champions don't have an alignment restriction (there could be evil divine champions of evil deities normally) and the actual Divine Champion prestige class only has 5 levels.

Red Dragon Disciple doesn't have an alignment restriction, presumably because the person is developing the features they like of their ancestor and before that they were human (or whatever) for the most part. Red Dragon Disciples aren't born half-dragons, they nurture their draconic heritage. I would still think dragon disciples, especially those who have become or are close to becoming half-dragons, would tend to horde gold or gems. :-)

[Munroe]

I want to make a human who becomes a Moon Elf Disciple and eventually becomes a Half-Elf.

[♥Zach♥]

Sort of like a kid hiting puberty, "The Big Change" heck now it's zity faced people with dragon wings and an out of control need to have gold and gems.

People may look at you oddly not only for having wings but having sold your bed and took up sleeping on a pile of gems and gold and constant taritory fights with guys or girls you have never met before but just for the fact they steped two feet closer to you or their is a member of the oposite sex near by ;D lol

[♥Zach♥]

I have to agree with many people on this thread, even if the person does grow wings and starts to act dragon like that does not mean they are half-dragon, it just means they are strengthening their link with their old draconic haratige.

But why only red dragon wing? why not a RDD have green wings since that person happend to have green dragon haratige, or silver wings for their silver dragon haratige?

[♥Zach♥]

Bahamut in the Realms I posted before could have a place in FRC? while were at it DM Munroe can my char have a sports car made of chocolate? ;D it was an interesting read but you guys don't have to do it. But the stories of a prismatic dragon do interest me. How did that come about in the server?

[♥Zach♥]

I'm thinking a moon elf sorcerer RDD with silver wings that worships Bahamut. Either that or Hanali Celanil elven goddess of Love, romance, beauty, enchantments, magic item artistry, fine art, artists. ;D

I can hear it now. "We have enough sexualy active elves already!" "No more!" "Tell him to stop wearing tight guy pants!" ;D lol oh yes he shall feel so pretty oh so pretty, the pants will keep the attention off his wings ;D that is unless your not a woman. lol

[Munroe]

You asked why RDD have red wings... Let's look at this... R..D..D... I wonder what the 'R' stands for?

Red Dragon Disciple has the appearance/abilities of a red dragon. Bioware could have put the other types of dragon disciples in but they would have been interpreted in the game as different classes... RDD, GrDD, WDD, GoDD, SDD, BrDD, CDD, BlaDD, BluDD, and so on...

Try to say Hanali Celanil in the Gamespy chat some time. :-P

*eats part of his chocolate car*

Now if only I had a truck made of milk.

I was reading the 3.5 FAQ earlier. Did you know that if you have a half-celestial dragon disciple that reaches level 10, it gets all the benefits of a half-dragon but it's race does not change because the Celestial type overrules the Dragon type.

I also found information I was looking for regarding natural weapons in that FAQ.

[♥Zach♥]

I am sure I think I read about that in the book

I should read it over agian, to bad my memory last about....who are you people!? *runs* ;D

[♥Zach♥]

I found this to be a very good read ;D

www.masterao.com/forum/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=1466&FORUM_ID=14

[♥Zach♥]

Bahamut

The Prince of Good Dragons is growing in influence. Newly elevated to God status in the realms, Bahamet’s rise is a direct result of Tiamat’s growth. Currently, venerated by good aligned dragons and a handful of small pockets of humans and demi-humans, Bahamet’s worship is small and localized. Those humans that do worship the Platinum Dragon are warriors, crusaders, and paladins that believe in chivalry and honor. Whether or not Bahamet can grow to rival Tyr, Torm, and Helm with these kind of warriors remains to be seen. For now, his worshippers continue to work alone to stem Tiamat’s growth. She however, has the advantage of Unther’s population behind her and a good head start in the rest of the Realms.

Bahamut still can be follwed by others races but as you read the percent of the other races that follow him are very small.

[♥Zach♥]

Another interesting red, a compiled list of dragons, their age, location.

www.sss.org/~maecenus/frdragons.html

Enjoy

[catmage]

According to Faiths and Pantheons, and further cemented in the Player's guide to Faerun, Bahamut is not a power in the FR multiverse. They don't give this in words, but in lack of them: Bahamut is simply not mentioned, a non-entity. Draconic Dieties, according to these guides and subject to the DM's discrection, are as follows:

Hlal (N) Tricks, messages, and humor [female]
Null (LN) Death, fate, and judgement [unknown gender]
Task (CE) Greed and Selfishness [unknown]
Tiamat, also a standard Faerunian goddess (LE) Evil dragons and dragonkin, and greed