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Post by DOT on Feb 14, 2019 20:27:18 GMT -5
Hi folks looking for incite to how people rp or have rp'd their low charisma characters both the physical and personality aspects. Thank you much.
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Post by Southpaw on Feb 14, 2019 21:35:58 GMT -5
I used to have a fighter/weapon master with a charisma of 8. I looked at the skills on the stat sheet that are charisma based, those being persuade, bluff, and intimidate, and played her as being terrible at those particular skills. She actually was a very likeable character, but she just wasn't going to change your mind or inspire you to rally to a cause with her rambling arguments, fool you with a lie when she couldn't keep a straight face, or scare you with her affable demeanor.
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Post by EDM Entori on Feb 14, 2019 22:17:15 GMT -5
Entori was, for a long time xenophobic. so when I rerolled him I made it 8.. however entori ended up in a "leader like" position at some time, but at times, especially when without spells, a temper flares, or poor attitudes.
It can be something as a being a complete ass to having a disfigured feature.
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Post by abby on Feb 14, 2019 22:42:22 GMT -5
I look at charisma as a mixture of physical attractiveness and attractiveness of personality. Manshin had an 8, so I role played him as having sharp and cruel looking angular features that were unattractive and a socially oblivious blunt personality that offended people easily and was poor at saying the right things. Not horrendous in either department, just below average. I also took a little persuade as he leveled up to make up for his natural shortcomings as he begun attracting followers and students to some degree.
Keep in mind that Charisma is just your natural talent (physically and verbally) you can make up for it in some ways with training. And there’s no reason you can’t be a leader as long it’s not your Charisma people follow you for. Sometimes they’ll follow someone for their cunning and ability to make others rich, skillful, well connected, etc. Charisma; i.e. physical beauty and strong personal magnetism (including training in this as well as natural) ican help glue people to you even if you don’t really have anything to offer them.
As a rule of thumb I figure you can RP a 2 point trade-off in either direction. For example Abby has a 16, but I try to RP her friendly personality and ability make friends as closer to an 18 while downplay her physical beauty by having her hair cut off with a knife, lack of hygiene and homeless rags that hide her physical attractiveness, giving her a 14 in beauty. If I RPed her cleaning up and looking her best, I’d RP her physical beauty as an 18, but turn her personality into a 14 as she’d suddenly be akward, out of her comfort zone and socially bumbling and awkward.
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Post by malclave on Feb 14, 2019 22:43:35 GMT -5
I just try to play a more likeable version of myself. And it's a well-known fact that undead respond to politeness. Saying "please" and "thank you" improves your odds of successfully Turning them. From the d20 SRD: I try to include social awkwardness (not a big stretch there), but force of personality is a big component.
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Post by DOT on Feb 15, 2019 0:10:54 GMT -5
Thanks much, was having a hard time developing a character's personality that had a 6 cha, I kept defaulting to the quiet not much to say role, was a bit boring to play. I'll explore the above options and see where they go
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Post by hellscream123 on Feb 15, 2019 0:16:24 GMT -5
Giving them a social blackmark works too. Like a steadfast opinon in something wrong or a stutter. Can't pronounce a certain letter. Ignorent of a common etiquette like washing one's hands. Charimsa can come across in the smallest of deacriptors done rightly.
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Post by DM Maleficent's Kiss on Feb 15, 2019 0:33:44 GMT -5
Drooling...definitely lots of drooling...
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Post by abby on Feb 15, 2019 0:34:40 GMT -5
Tusks
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Post by Lady Frost on Feb 15, 2019 0:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Feb 15, 2019 0:54:18 GMT -5
Right atleast I rp my pics low charisma score.
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Post by lucesi on Feb 15, 2019 2:33:03 GMT -5
I have a cantankerous old dwarf who basically grumbles all the time and hates the modern world. He is constantly disapproving, somewhat sexist and longing for yesteryear. He demands respect due an elder dwarf and bristles when he perceives it not to have been given. It is somewhat difficult to party up with others when you're constantly criticising them, however...
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Post by DM Maleficent's Kiss on Feb 15, 2019 3:15:51 GMT -5
charisma is responsible for initiative, appearance and persuade So, in best case it can be initiativeless freak with very limited base for persuade. In fact, low charisma character can be smart, strong and intelligence.
Such an ugly little beast and yet...I loved it. It had a strange kind of cuteness to it... <3
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Post by lucid on Feb 15, 2019 6:59:51 GMT -5
For a 6? The word you want is "repulsive". This is a destination, but there are many paths.
You don't need to be ugly, or smell, but that is one way. Dousing yourself in cloying perfume and wearing way too much makeup for no apparent reason can send you into negatives also.
You don't need to be angry, or grumpy, but that is one way. Being insufferably, unreasonably happy to the point of making people want to choke you out can send you into negatives also.
Anything that makes people intrinsically unwilling to remain in your presence. Pro tip: show your worth first.
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Post by Southpaw on Feb 15, 2019 7:18:23 GMT -5
A characteristic that would really turn people off that a lot of people don’t necessarily role play is invasive behavior. Someone who is sticking their nose in other people’s business in a rather rude and blunt way, or asking personal questions that most people know not to ask, asking or talking about bodily functions, giving “too much information,” and these sorts of things.
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Post by thayanknight on Feb 15, 2019 7:57:06 GMT -5
Although I know that physical appearance plays into Charisma scores per the rules, I don't like that aspect being dominant, less of attractiveness and more of the personal magnetism aspect as well as lacking social tact. Revik is going to be blunt and likely hurt some feelings and he's not going to really understand why thus he will be difficult to like for most people.
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Post by malclave on Feb 15, 2019 8:21:23 GMT -5
You don't need to be ugly, or smell, but that is one way. Dousing yourself in cloying perfume and wearing way too much makeup for no apparent reason can send you into negatives also. Works for Sunite paladins. Want to improve your saves, healing, and smiting? Cut down on the eye shadow, especially during the day.
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Post by crawlingchaos63 on Feb 15, 2019 9:23:50 GMT -5
For a 6? The word you want is "repulsive". This is a destination, but there are many paths. You don't need to be ugly, or smell, but that is one way. Dousing yourself in cloying perfume and wearing way too much makeup for no apparent reason can send you into negatives also. You don't need to be angry, or grumpy, but that is one way. Being insufferably, unreasonably happy to the point of making people want to choke you out can send you into negatives also. Anything that makes people intrinsically unwilling to remain in your presence. Pro tip: show your worth first.
I was going to chime in on this, but I think Lucid already nailed it. low Charisma doesn't have to mean your ugly, just offensive to be around
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Post by abby on Feb 15, 2019 10:50:31 GMT -5
How does 6 Charisma not mean you’re ugly? At best you can say you’ve got a 8 physical beauty but if so you should be RPing a 4 personality... how you’d even do that is tough to say. It’s got to average out so that your overall impression is a 6. Personality can make up for beauty a little, and vice versa, but only to some extent which is why I have that 2 point trade-off. If you don’t want your PC to look like a dumpster fire, don’t make Charisma a dumpstat. Only say this because there are people who put points into Charisma even without a lot of mechanical benifit because they want to RP attractiveness. Charisma should probably have a fairly big impact on RPing with NPCs for this reason, and if you’re RPing being attractive with a 6 or 8 Charisma it’s kindnof a rip-off for those who invested.
Consider this, I can’t take my 8 dex and say: well my PC is actually fast and agile so I get a +2 dodge mod, but he’s a really bad dancer so that’s why the dex is 8. Or take my 8 str and say; “My PC can’t carry much or lift much weight, but he still hits really hard so I get a +2 str & dmg. That wouldn’t be fair to people who took str and dex.
The score on your sheet is the reality and just because the machine doesn’t only let you choose from butt ugly faces at character creation the same way it figures your str into your carrying capacity doesn’t mean you shouldn’t RP it appropriately.
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Post by thayanknight on Feb 15, 2019 10:57:23 GMT -5
Personal opinion but "attractive" =/= good looking. Because what people find attractive can widely vary, I take the attractiveness to moreso include attractive personalities than physical characteristics. If you want to RP a low charisma as stopping at physical features, that's perfectly fine, but I've never equated charisma solely with physical features because to me that's less fun than RPing an off-putting personality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 10:59:34 GMT -5
Going off of the following statement: "Charisma measures a character’s force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness. This ability represents actual strength of personality, not merely how one is perceived by others in a social setting."
Making the jump "charisma = how hot my character is" is misinterpreting the use of that ability. As the previous statement makes clear, it is not only "physical attractiveness" that charisma measures, but also how good that person is in society and how others perceive the character. The flexibility that this allows means that you could make a tremendously beautiful character that is an absolute pain to be around, since he or she cannot interact others in a meaningful way. The character could, for instance, ignore other characters when they offer advice, be rude or blunt or have the personality of a doormat.
A negative charisma modifier would mean that however that character acts puts them at a disadvantage with other people.
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Post by Warlord on Feb 15, 2019 11:06:47 GMT -5
Hi folks looking for incite to how people rp or have rp'd their low charisma characters both the physical and personality aspects. Thank you much. 6 Charisma? - You are the barf can of society - Looking upon you is unappealing in any capacity, shape or form - You may have shape, form, and muscle even, but it doesn't mean it /looks/ appealing - Ruth, baby, ruth!- You might stink because you walk around unconcerned about your social presence, but you might be wise enough to clean to avoid disease - I'm just thinking of your B.O. right now... - You are the reason why friends wear hoods at bars, even if indoor has no rain... - You also have no real concept of how to motivate anyone else, perhaps not even yourself... Unless you ya do a 1d20 and hit dat 20. Perhaps on those days the gods try not to smother you with mercy-killings.
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Post by abby on Feb 15, 2019 11:20:51 GMT -5
Charisma “is” your hotness among other things. I don’t think it’s fair to dumpstat your charisma and say, well my PC looks like a Victoria secret model, but she’s rude and blunt. Even if a Victoria secret model ran around with Tourette’s syndrome and talked like Gilbert Godfrey, she’s not averaging out at an 8.... people are going to overlook that $&@% and WANT to be close to her. charisma’s a mix, sure, but it’s got to average out and 2 in either direction is reasonable. You’re not pysically beautiful with an 8 Charisma unless you also douse yourself in fish-sauce and walk around imitating a air raid siren for 16 hours a day at the top of your lungs and snore like a saw mill for the other 8.
Oh! Perpetual bad breath is another kick in the charisma nuts. A big one I think.
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Post by stryker on Feb 15, 2019 11:30:47 GMT -5
Charisma “is” your hotness among other things. I don’t think it’s fair to dumpstat your charisma and say, well my PC looks like a Victoria secret model, but she’s rude and blunt. Even if a Victoria secret model ran around with Tourette’s syndrome and talked like Gilbert Godfrey, she’s not averaging out at an 8.... people are going to overlook that $&@% and WANT to be close to her. charisma’s a mix, sure, but it’s got to average out and 2 in either direction is reasonable. You’re not pysically beautiful with an 8 Charisma unless you also douse yourself in fish-sauce and walk around imitating a air raid siren for 16 hours a day at the top of your lungs and snore like a saw mill for the other 8. Oh! Perpetual bad breath is another kick in the charisma nuts. A big one I think. Charisma can easily be all about your force personality. You can be a super ugly powerful sorceror who leads hordes of evil minions. The problem with beauty is that it is in the eye of the beholder. I think a better rule of thumb is to not RP something significantly highee than a stat. Like you can still act like an idiot with higj wisdom and intelligence and choose to lose at chess. You cant choose to win at chess if you are too low of int against your opponent. But again. Charisma representing appearances seems odd. I mean id you polymorph. Your charisma stays the same. Its a mental stat not a physical.
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Post by mandene on Feb 15, 2019 11:40:33 GMT -5
Charisma “is” your hotness among other things. I don’t think it’s fair to dumpstat your charisma and say, well my PC looks like a Victoria secret model, but she’s rude and blunt. Even if a Victoria secret model ran around with Tourette’s syndrome and talked like Gilbert Godfrey, she’s not averaging out at an 8.... people are going to overlook that $&@% and WANT to be close to her. charisma’s a mix, sure, but it’s got to average out and 2 in either direction is reasonable. You’re not pysically beautiful with an 8 Charisma unless you also douse yourself in fish-sauce and walk around imitating a air raid siren for 16 hours a day at the top of your lungs and snore like a saw mill for the other 8. Oh! Perpetual bad breath is another kick in the charisma nuts. A big one I think. It is possible to be a pretty doll on the outside, but to be hated as soon as you open your mouth. Maybe you are a hateful diva person and so full of yourself that nobody can stand you. Maybe your voice is so terrible (high pitched, cringy accent, raspy) that people want to never listen to you. Maybe you are pretty as a picture but too shy to say anything and/or nobody takes you seriously. A sorcerer or a bard on the other hand need not be pretty at all, but the force of personality (personal strength) they have is what it takes to wield the magical power within and bend the Weave to your needs, or to make your audience convince they are invincible in a battle.
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Post by Warlord on Feb 15, 2019 11:43:07 GMT -5
Charisma “is” your hotness among other things. I don’t think it’s fair to dumpstat your charisma and say, well my PC looks like a Victoria secret model, but she’s rude and blunt. Even if a Victoria secret model ran around with Tourette’s syndrome and talked like Gilbert Godfrey, she’s not averaging out at an 8.... people are going to overlook that $&@% and WANT to be close to her. charisma’s a mix, sure, but it’s got to average out and 2 in either direction is reasonable. You’re not pysically beautiful with an 8 Charisma unless you also douse yourself in fish-sauce and walk around imitating a air raid siren for 16 hours a day at the top of your lungs and snore like a saw mill for the other 8. Oh! Perpetual bad breath is another kick in the charisma nuts. A big one I think. Charisma can easily be all about your force personality. You can be a super ugly powerful sorceror who leads hordes of evil minions. The problem with beauty is that it is in the eye of the beholder. But again. Charisma representing appearances seems odd. I mean id you polymorph. Your charisma stays the same. Its a mental stat not a physical. It does seem odd. Our server FRC uses the DnD-FR standard of measurement, however. Certain concepts, ideas and realities are simply fundamentally written. Some people take a far leap-left on an interpretation, or a far-leap right. Regardless of perspective limits, Charisma is physical encompassing in DnD whether we love it or dislike it. Here's a quote & link:
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Post by mandene on Feb 15, 2019 11:52:20 GMT -5
Charisma can easily be all about your force personality. You can be a super ugly powerful sorceror who leads hordes of evil minions. The problem with beauty is that it is in the eye of the beholder. But again. Charisma representing appearances seems odd. I mean id you polymorph. Your charisma stays the same. Its a mental stat not a physical. It does seem odd. Our server FRC uses the DnD-FR standard of measurement, however. Certain concepts, ideas and realities are simply fundamentally written. Some people take a far leap-left on an interpretation, or a far-leap right. Regardless of perspective limits, Charisma is physical encompassing in DnD whether we love it or dislike it. Here's a quote & link:: Just to add my personal translation of the meaning of "psysical attractiveness" in that context. I think too many people tend to translate "attractive" to pretty and handsome. I think that in this context it translates to how people perceive you. Someone who can irl be described as charismatic doesn't have to be oblook good at all. But there's something there that makes us attracted to them and consider them trustworthy. Often Hitler is used ad an example. The guy is seriousky ugly - but boy he made his audience transformed with his speaches. And many followed his lead. He definitely had high charisma.
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Post by thayanknight on Feb 15, 2019 11:52:50 GMT -5
By that definition, it includes all aspects not just "hotness", which is what I was saying. But I'll never see the stat as only that. Here's what I use as a reference (not WotC material, but a nice reference.)
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Post by abby on Feb 15, 2019 12:02:57 GMT -5
[/quote] Just to add my personal translation of the meaning of "psysical attractiveness" in that context. I think too many people tend to translate "attractive" to pretty and handsome. [/quote]
For my part, I’m only interpreting the “Physical” part of Physical attractiveness to mean pretty and handsome.
Let’s not forget something else. Hitler didn’t necessarily have a high charisma. He just had many ranks in intimidate and persuade. Remember the stat is just your raw talent. I keep hearing: you can be ugly but still a great speaker. Yes... but if that’s the case, the “great speaker” part represents that you invested in training/skills to overcome your natural shortcomings or... charisma score. When it comes to your powers of persuasion, natural charisma will only get you so far. Training and practice are far more effective. A person with a 10 Charisma could still get upwards of a +9 persuade at level 1 with the right feats and skills. Even a natural beauty with an 18 Charisma who doesn’t train or invest, only has a +4 persuade by her natural talent. Therefore that average charisma person is a far better diplomat than the naturally charismatic person based on training.
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Post by Warlord on Feb 15, 2019 12:07:50 GMT -5
It does seem odd. Our server FRC uses the DnD-FR standard of measurement, however. Certain concepts, ideas and realities are simply fundamentally written. Some people take a far leap-left on an interpretation, or a far-leap right. Regardless of perspective limits, Charisma is physical encompassing in DnD whether we love it or dislike it. Here's a quote & link:: Just to add my personal translation of the meaning of "psysical attractiveness" in that context. I think too many people tend to translate "attractive" to pretty and handsome. I think that in this context it translates to how people perceive you. Someone who can irl be described as charismatic doesn't have to be oblook good at all. But there's something there that makes us attracted to them and consider them trustworthy. Often Hitler is used ad an example. The guy is seriousky ugly - but boy he made his audience transformed with his speaches. And many followed his lead. He definitely had high charisma. If attraction is indicative of a positive (influential, scopeful, physical) perspective, then the integer should reflect a positive numeric value. 6 charisma has a negative modifier, so there is much negative to go around. The who's who of personal taste on how to assess whether it conforms with their needs, wants, and desires - For DnD speaking - might be a balance of a pc's own INT/WIS/CHA.
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