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Post by mandene on Feb 13, 2019 10:23:48 GMT -5
I think you have to acknowledge that the cure-all for injuries of drinking a potion or wrapping a bandage around it is simply a game mechanic. Some players would rather handle their injuries in a more realistic way. Just like leveling up in one class as opposed to another is simply a game mechanic (and one that more modern RPGs than D&D have significantly improved upon), but we build class restriction rules around it like it's a real thing. But that is a topic for another thread.
Others still continue roleplaying being roughed up, even though the said spells/potions/kits/resting have already healed them up. (The quest was super-rough, so my ribs are hurting still and I have a hard time breathing.)
This kind of goes hand in hand with all the disfigured/scarred characters that could simply be healed up by an (expensive) spell that exists in game.
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Post by Animayhem on Feb 13, 2019 13:01:14 GMT -5
Role play is a two way street.
Ask before you heal and do a heal dice roll. This does not mean you know the extent of the injury but if a decent roll it shows you would have ability to see something was not quite right.
Injured person, try and respond as soon as you can depending on what your injuries are. I usually emote my state if injured when I first arrive.
The fact is game mechanics show injury status. It is up to both sides healer and injured to give appropriate information.
Not all with healing skills will even bother. Not all injured want healing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:04:00 GMT -5
One thing i cannot understand. If you're against someone using ooc knowledge when making assumption of your character's health condition, then why you do the very same thing when your character's HP go up as a result of someone using "healing kit" on him/her? It's not only a fantasy world but also a video game, the mechanic of which is based on a board game rules, and actually RP is kinda game too on top of all that, where sometimes you'll be treated nicely but sometimes it's just who was quickier with creating the scene. It's annoying but it's unevitable costs of player interraction.
P.S.s.t bitter true is: like it or not, but without healing kits FRC would be a nightmare to survive
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Post by Lady Frost on Feb 13, 2019 13:09:59 GMT -5
Hp is short for hit points and its your characters physical well being, Endurance and your spacial awareness *don't say fatigue that is your endurance just a different word for it. And yes that redundancy annoys me*. I think of fatigue and endurance as different things, actually. Endurance is what takes you through a fight - your hitpoint total. Fatigue is what takes you through a dungeon. Fatigue isn't represented in a mechanical fashion. Fatigue would be like if you lost 1 total hit point for every 100 hitpoints of damage you took until you rested.
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Post by magiuss on Feb 13, 2019 13:17:07 GMT -5
One thing i cannot understand. If you're against someone using ooc knowledge when making assumption of your character's health condition, then why you do the very same thing when your character's HP go up as a result of someone using "healing kit" on him/her? It's not only a fantasy world but also a video game, the mechanic of which is based on a board game rules, and actually RP is kinda game too on top of all that, where sometimes you'll be treated nicely but sometimes it's just who was quickier with creating the scene. It's annoying but it's unevitable costs of player interraction. P.S.s.t bitter true is: like it or not, but without healing kits FRC would be a nightmare to survive Was this intended for me ?..
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Post by bloodalchemist on Feb 13, 2019 13:28:11 GMT -5
Find it amusing this thread has lasted so long. Does everyone remember that little rule you hve to answer correctly about in the starting area? How tabbing or mousing over a characters name does not give you ic knowledge of it, just blurting it out is meta gaming? So is doing that with hp. If you are dueling someone, or traveling with them and seeing stuff happen, rping with them in the moment, thats one thing. But just coming up to someone in the middle of town and laying hands on them, not to mention if you are using a heal kit, somehow getting under their armor in a brief second to clean, stitch and bandage a wound...
Anyways, metagaming or not, word of warning. Touching Mara without her permission will either result in her beating you to death with her fists, or roleplaying maiming your character by removing their hands. She'll just assume you're trying to grope or assault her and enjoy making an example of the insanely stupid person to remind people of manners.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 13:46:18 GMT -5
rules to live by:
1. Never, ever, use anyone's name in conversation. 2. Anyone wearing a helm or hood is completely unrecognizable, but this is not really relevant due to rule #1. 3. Never, ever, heal anyone or even acknowledge their health unless they ask you to.
Simple, easy to remember, and will prevent the vast majority of this whining and moaning.
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Post by magiuss on Feb 13, 2019 14:19:35 GMT -5
rules to live by: 1. Never, ever, use anyone's name in conversation. 2. Anyone wearing a helm or hood is completely unrecognizable, but this is not really relevant due to rule #1. 3. Never, ever, heal anyone or even acknowledge their health unless they ask you to. Simple, easy to remember, and will prevent the vast majority of this whining and moaning. I find it funny that you think people looking for RP is whining and moaning.. But if we have reached this State in the thread. i would like the DM's to lock it now.. because this is just a dumb comment. DM's please lock this thread.
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Post by magiuss on Feb 13, 2019 14:52:18 GMT -5
Ok guys, if you are so arrogant, that even not able to accept from me healing for free without your permission, then I'm not able to trust you my life, even virtual. It means, I can not hunt with you in one team. Team is not collection of party members, but it is one soul and one spirit. Any party member have to believe his brother on weapon as himself and care about. It is my small RP test for compatibility... 😊 again.. this has nothing to do with the discussion...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 15:30:17 GMT -5
Well my friend, the problem is that everyone has their own opinion about how these things should play out. You want to be treated one way and I guarantee you that there are a host of others that would prefer to be treated in other ways. If everyone started ignoring everyone else's health status, I'm sure there are people who would complain about that. Even the one DM post in this thread says that it's OK to react to health status (via emotes).
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Post by stryker on Feb 13, 2019 16:09:24 GMT -5
New player here with outside perspective, but long history of RP servers and DnD in general. Take or leave my two cents.
I agree about not being quick to assume injuries not because I think it is OOC info (i am a firm believer of "what you see is what you get) nor because someone needs to make a spot check (unless you gone out of your way to hide wounds, the DC is 0 or 5, 10 if you insist, plus 1 for every 10 feer you are away if you are severely injured).
I do not think it is metagaming the slightest bit, I do however think it is extremely assumptive. The terms "near death" and, or "badly injured" are veru relative terms. A lvl 40 dwarf built right who is currently "near death" could potentislly still survive multiple low level fighter rogue critical sneak attacks.
Like how can you say I am bleeding all over the place when I still have 300 hp and just finished applying a few healing kits to "stop the bleeding". There are also internal injuries via magic that might not be as obvious. But againm if I have enough hp to take a critical from a weapon master and still live? Much more hp than that Joe smoe who couodnt survice a single bolt, then how injured is badly injured? At some point HP represents a life force just as much as the physical condition of one's body (what if a harm spell brought you to near death?).
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Feb 13, 2019 16:50:01 GMT -5
Ok guys, if you are so arrogant, that even not able to accept from me healing for free without your permission, then I'm not able to trust you my life, even virtual. It means, I can not hunt with you in one team. Team is not collection of party members, but it is one soul and one spirit. Any party member have to believe his brother on weapon as himself and care about. It is my small RP test for compatibility... 😊 this guy is mentally challenged yes?
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Post by magiuss on Feb 13, 2019 16:56:14 GMT -5
Well my friend, the problem is that everyone has their own opinion about how these things should play out. You want to be treated one way and I guarantee you that there are a host of others that would prefer to be treated in other ways. If everyone started ignoring everyone else's health status, I'm sure there are people who would complain about that. Even the one DM post in this thread says that it's OK to react to health status (via emotes). I've never said i didn't want to to interact in RP with my injured Character.. i want to be able to decide my Own RP on my injuries before people apply their RP on me... i don't like to be deprived of RP'ing because someone else feels they have the right. it ruins the fun for me.. And as i stated to Abby before.. some healers actully do a LONG series of Roll play before applying any heals to you. which is freaking AWESOME.
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Post by malclave on Feb 13, 2019 17:25:38 GMT -5
Time to lock the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 17:33:05 GMT -5
OK then, that's fine. In your original post you definitely implied that you considered it to be meta-gaming if someone even noticed your health status in the little window.
"i have started to notice that alot of people are useing the Injured/ badly woundet/near death knowledge... and then use this knowledge to make a state such as '' LOOKS AT ALL THE BLOOD RUNNING FROM HER'' What it my characther was hit by a giant and has internal injures..
BY useing your OOC knowledge.. you are depriveing me the opertunity to RP my injures, and to how i have obtained them."
If you are really speaking about how people react to this information, that that is a different thing altogether.
In fact Munroe's post specifically uses an example of emoting about seeing blood and seems to say this is ok.
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Post by magiuss on Feb 13, 2019 17:43:39 GMT -5
OK then, that's fine. In your original post you definitely implied that you considered it to be meta-gaming if someone even noticed your health status in the little window. "i have started to notice that alot of people are useing the Injured/ badly woundet/near death knowledge... and then use this knowledge to make a state such as '' LOOKS AT ALL THE BLOOD RUNNING FROM HER'' What it my characther was hit by a giant and has internal injures.. BY useing your OOC knowledge.. you are depriveing me the opertunity to RP my injures, and to how i have obtained them." If you are really speaking about how people react to this information, that that is a different thing altogether. In fact Munroe's post specifically uses an example of emoting about seeing blood and seems to say this is ok. I also stated in a post further down that THESE ARE my opinions.. i SEE this as OOC yes. but i don't know if you have read the comments further down.. or if you only read the first post. Yes Munroe gave a proposal to how to interact to this.. But i see that as kinda weird.. when someone in game comes over without knowing whats wrong and stateing what is wrong with another person.. ( and this is the thing i have the problem with) So technicly i could approch someone state that he has lost his arm without him RPing.. and then he corrects me with an emote.. now.. ( my IC statement has already happend) and i would Say since you can't reverse time in the real world.. then how cn you do it here ?(( unless you are a really powerfull mage)) that is just a freaking weird situation to Stand in as a character. Thats why i hope that this post perhaps would give ''insperation'' as to how to approach ''Injured'' people.. as if you read most of the post by the people who are PLAYING healers.. non of them seem to approch and state what is wrong with other people without doing some RP to find out what it is.
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Post by woogieboogie on Feb 13, 2019 17:59:41 GMT -5
Not trying to be a *bobriewing* but after reading all of this....
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Post by hellscream123 on Feb 13, 2019 20:52:55 GMT -5
Its less "cheating" and more a removal pf anothers descriptive chances. If you take the initiative to say how why or if someone else's character (outside of party play in dungeon of course) is hurt. You limit their response options and the story. It's not really meta gaminy but it isnt the best action on a holistic community level. No one enjoys getting "over emoted" so just take a moment. Ask a question. Just gonna repeat myself. Yes. Everyone has the easy capacity to judge what wounds are upon someone. All the OP asks if thst you LET THEM DESCRIBE THE WOUNDS FIRST. *ahem* Though we should all tone down our claims and language deep breathes.we're on the same page more than many may yet think Please stop assuming that folk want yo remove facets of the game. They just want to RP more from their own character outward rather than be forced into an emote tree or get silently rubbed with a healing kit without a word betwix. Also. Please. Deep breathes and nice words. This isn't a do or die idea.
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Post by stryker on Feb 13, 2019 21:23:23 GMT -5
Im still of the camp that badly injured isnt necessarily badly injured, especially if you have 200 hp still. That being said, healing strangers involves 'touching them'.
This heal pull out dice bag to see if someone injured seems a little silly though. Its not like its hard to spot a gaping hole in your side. Again though.. is near death really near death if you still have 100 hp?
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Post by hellscream123 on Feb 13, 2019 21:29:37 GMT -5
Just emote inspect them and see whst comes up. Take the health tag as a reason to inspect rather than an excuse to avt first. Is my advisory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:18:42 GMT -5
One thing i cannot understand. If you're against someone using ooc knowledge when making assumption of your character's health condition, then why you do the very same thing when your character's HP go up as a result of someone using "healing kit" on him/her? It's not only a fantasy world but also a video game, the mechanic of which is based on a board game rules, and actually RP is kinda game too on top of all that, where sometimes you'll be treated nicely but sometimes it's just who was quickier with creating the scene. It's annoying but it's unevitable costs of player interraction. P.S.s.t bitter true is: like it or not, but without healing kits FRC would be a nightmare to survive Was this intended for me ?.. If you want to rp a broken limb or something you're free to do so, no matter what engine says. When you use a healing kit it says: "you patch the wounds to stop bleeding", so it can be expected from others to percieve the injured status as having a bleeding wound of various degree by default. And actually i know only one way of dealing injury that leaves no traces, but doubt it was it.
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Post by tirelesstracker on Feb 15, 2019 2:44:35 GMT -5
There are many, many different types of ways to receive HP damage that does not come from blade or club. Assuming someone is all battered and bloody is poor form, when they could have stepped on a negative trap or been fighting spectral enemies(Which sap your life force rather than batter the crap out of you). On top of that, half the population wears big, bulky armor which does even more to conceal any sort of injuries someone might be dealing with. Never assume someone's status because of the hovering text. Seriously. If you don't know someone's name from pressing tab, why should the tab key tell you anything else about them?
That said...almost all healing involves touching. Everyone screams about immersion. So okay. Realistically. You get a bad scratch on your arm, and someone runs up to you and IMMEDIATELY grabs your arm and starts trying to fix it. Doesn't ask for permission or anything. Just gets to work. I dunno about you, but I'm gonna be pissed, shove the person away, and possibly get into a fight because some random jerk started touching me without my consent. Especially prodding around a part of me that quite obviously hurts and is vulnerable. I don't like being touched randomly. Especially not on an injury.
My main character is almost always seen in an oversized suit of armor, which would limit how much of her is ever actually seen. She was a former slave. Do you think she would enjoy being touched without consent, after escaping a lifetime of being touched without consent?
You gotta consider the big picture here, and realize that even if you're just trying to be nice and good natured and heal someone in a vidya game...half the population of this game forgets it's a game and want full immersion.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Feb 16, 2019 4:06:02 GMT -5
That said...almost all healing involves touching. Everyone screams about immersion. So okay. Realistically. You get a bad scratch on your arm, and someone runs up to you and IMMEDIATELY grabs your arm and starts trying to fix it. Doesn't ask for permission or anything. Maybe, we have quite different family values. When mother see, that her child is ill, she run to help without any hesitation and she are not interesting what child think about. She can even punish her child if it try to prevent it. 😂 So, guys. I understood... Well know joke in my world Child 5 year - mother know all 8 years - mother know not all 13 years - mother know nothing 30 years - it would be better if I would listen my mother. I somehow think you are mentally confused on what DnD is and that this is a GAME not real life.
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Post by tirelesstracker on Feb 16, 2019 5:53:42 GMT -5
...What are you talking about? Seriously. What does a mother and a child have to do with complete strangers touching you?
Immersion is what people want. To make the game as realistic as possible.
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Post by Animayhem on Feb 16, 2019 12:00:26 GMT -5
Role play is a two way street.
Ask before you heal and do a heal dice roll. This does not mean you know the extent of the injury but if a decent roll it shows you would have ability to see something was not quite right.
Injured person, try and respond as soon as you can depending on what your injuries are. I usually emote my state if injured when I first arrive.
The fact is game mechanics show injury status. It is up to both sides healer and injured to give appropriate information.
Not all with healing skills will even bother. Not all injured want healing. The fact is game mechanics show injury status. It is up to both sides healer and injured to give appropriate information.
This shows two ways; once over the floatext near name and also if you click on the eye and examine it will give the injury status. This roleplay can be initiated by either side, the healer after a roll asking a question or the injured describing their state.
Simple. Another way injured person just goes into an inn and rests and bam no healer needed.
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Feb 16, 2019 12:16:07 GMT -5
I somehow think you are mentally confused on what DnD is and that this is a GAME not real life. Game is only different environment. Because behind every character is real players, we bring in game our personalities, our cultures and our values. I do not believe, that people here suffer because "Dissociative identity disorder". yea I think you are mentally unstable tbh maybe looking into help?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 12:26:30 GMT -5
...What are you talking about? Seriously. What does a mother and a child have to do with complete strangers touching you? Immersion is what people want. To make the game as realistic as possible. Just a few notices from real life: 1) Even a minor scratch can be hazardous due to blood infection. When you have a serious bleeding, like from a dagger stab, you're likely to loose concious in few minutes and bleed out in about half an hour. 2) Medical care is easier done by others than by yourself for many reasons: you don't have access to many parts of your body, even if you do, it's not comfortable to operate; pain shock - you can loose concious in the process; decreased funcionality caused by injury and etc. 3) Bulky armor often requires help getting on/off and if you were injured and/or the armor was damaged it can be even more difficult. In game observations: 1) PLayers might think you're lacking or saving healings. 2) Some players believe one should always stay above half hp and heal up if you don't. 3) You can actually ruin others' immersion by doing shopping around, doing your stuff, playing little attention to your injured status. P.S. On a side note, telling others what to do isn't the most effective way of handling a problem. Could have provided more arguments but i'm too lazy to write - besides, there was enough food for thought given by other forum members already.
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Post by tirelesstracker on Feb 16, 2019 14:55:47 GMT -5
And not a single point you typed handles the being touched by random strangers, which is what this all boils down to
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Post by Asgardian Grey Hawk on Feb 16, 2019 16:44:08 GMT -5
And not a single point you typed handles the being touched by random strangers, which is what this all boils down to yup
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Feb 16, 2019 18:23:44 GMT -5
But who would reaaaaally complain to a guy who magically cured them of all their wounds by a less than a momentary laying of hands?
One could only imagine how the story of Jesus healing the severed ear of the Roman soldier and the soldier giving Jesus an EARFUL for it would go.
"You dog! How dare you heal me of all my ills!" said no one ever.
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