Templar
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Post by Templar on Jun 19, 2018 18:24:12 GMT -5
I'm asking from a directional and server perspective.
are Thayin's allowed to be evil?
Is Thay evil?
can good people kill thayins because they are evil?
is comyr at war with thay?
is thay at war with thay? (i think in the timeline they are but not sure)
are good people allowed to punish evil?
are good people allowed to treat thay as evil?
are there "laws" rp or ooc that further prohibit evil being evil or good being good? (example, evil is not allowed to be evil by rp law against undead. perfectly find but is it an rp law for rp reasons or is that the direction the server wants to go of discouraging outright evil players?)
anyone interesting topic and i'm wanting to know if things are server direction overall or more rp direction overall? (as in dm guided or player guided and are there suggestions of direction?)
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Post by DM Hawk on Jun 19, 2018 19:08:11 GMT -5
Hi Templar, I'll try to respond line by line Yes, characters from any region are allowed to have an evil nature and alignment on FRC, including Thay and Cormyr. The realm of Thay is ruled by Red Wizards, who may be evil or neutral but are predominantly evil. Any character may engage in hostility with another character on FRC if the conflict is justified by roleplay. Usually, something more substantial is needed than just an evil alignment or nature by itself. When one character kills another there can be consequences, both legal and moral. For example, murder isn't legal in Cormyr just because someone has an evil alignment or nature. Cormyr is currently not at war with Thay on FRC. My understanding is that the Thayan Civil War began in 1375 DR. It is currently 1382 DR on FRC. I believe the Thayan Civil War lasts through the Spellplague in 1385. While the Thayan Civil War hasn't been manifest in FRC officially, it looks like its fair to say that it's taking place in Thay currently. Good characters strive to thwart evil. Where punishment is concerned, a good character may punish an enemy, but there may be moral and legal consequences. For example, torture isn't legal in Cormyr just because someone has an evil alignment or nature. Torture is also an evil act normally and a good aligned character may face moral consequences should he or she decided to engage in torture. Good characters may treat Thay and Thayan characters however they feel best suits their roleplay, but as said above certain actions have legal or moral consequences. The laws of Cormyr as upheld on FRC are posted here. frc.proboards.com/thread/6585/laws-cormyr-newWith the above in mind, characters who wish to go outside the law against their foes, be it political or moral, need to take care and proceed carefully or they'll be caught and found guilty of the crime. There are also moral considerations to weigh in such as when a good alignment character contemplates committing a crime for the greater good. These conflicts can be fun and rewarding to play through, but be aware of the consequences and risks! |
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Post by Vaertai on Jun 19, 2018 23:49:29 GMT -5
(example, evil is not allowed to be evil by rp law against undead. perfectly find but is it an rp law for rp reasons or is that the direction the server wants to go of discouraging outright evil players?) It's been a min since I've lawyered the laws but I know undead was banned in the past but harsher punishments were instated with the bonemaster events. I think they were legal to use at one time in a non hostle manner againced the state and its people but with Hack missing and/or gone the law was changed to be harsher and hasnt been updated since said events and its trail to nothing. Dunno if the bonemaster stuff was ever finished, I just know Hack took the action to redo the law and its just stayed that way. So to shorten this answer, undead are banned due to RP as I understand it. (If I'm wrong in anything here, please correct me :^]) |
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Post by marredwolf on Jun 20, 2018 1:01:32 GMT -5
id like clarification upon this 'Hack' initiative. what outlwaed? is this ooc or ic outlaw?
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Templar
Old School
A female dwarf?! No really! What do you play?
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Post by Templar on Jun 20, 2018 4:32:17 GMT -5
id like clarification upon this 'Hack' initiative. what outlwaed? is this ooc or ic outlaw? Perhaps DM Hackmaster who I think was an old DM.... unless i'm confusing something. but the event was before my time so no clue. |
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Post by hellscream123 on Jun 20, 2018 4:49:20 GMT -5
Undead are presently ic outlawed due to events that happend in game.
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Templar
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Post by Templar on Jun 20, 2018 5:11:41 GMT -5
Undead are presently ic outlawed due to events that happend in game. any chance the steel regent might roll back those laws  *wink wink, nudge nudge* |
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Post by FlyingMidget on Jun 20, 2018 5:29:27 GMT -5
id like clarification upon this 'Hack' initiative. what outlwaed? is this ooc or ic outlaw? Perhaps DM Hackmaster who I think was an old DM.... unless i'm confusing something. but the event was before my time so no clue. Hackmaster is still a DM as far as I know, he hasn't retired as he still has the DM badge on his account and as far as I'm aware is taking an extended hiatus from the server (I think I saw him player side about a year back? maybe a year and a half). The information that Vaertai was speaking about was actually linked by Hawk in his earlier post, it's just a fair scroll to the bottom, here's a direct link associated with such though that shows the current punishments for each of the various create undead spells (no clarification on summon undead spells are listed, I think it's left upto the interpretation of the DM roleplaying the Guard/Purple Dragon/War Wizard dealing with the situation on level summon undead falls into which catagory (Least, lesser, greater).
As far as I'm aware the Bonemaster Plot that spurred the IC law change was never resolved but it's been about four years since I've seen the Bonemaster played so I'd feel he's dropped to the background and "During this time of war" part would likely have been dropped to a more relaxed state and the standard punishments would apply, but that's just my opinion there's been no word that I'm aware of that this is the case, just the feel the team has given off and the lack of follow up..
It would be neat if a DM could clear up the thread though, moving the information that is no longer relevant out (perhaps to be archived elsewhere that it doesn't clog things up but also isn't lost as a historical piece characters can research). Then again I'd probably do it up as several posts, with an index post with links that skip down to the various plaints which have the listed punishment for the crime, would fix up the obvious mistakes as well like Unregistered Spellcaster being a serious crime yet it's clarification being listed under a severe crime.
I'd probably want them to also clarify which which of the following applies in the case of a person unable to pay a find, yet not being arrested for necromancy as I've seen both ways used even though that isn't the way the laws are written down.
This OOC clarification reads as though it applies to all instances of unable to pay for such except where otherwise noted, if this isn't the case, what is the point of it being present at all let alone as an OOC note and why have the necromancer specific one? just combine it as a general statement if the necromancer one actually is used in all instances.
This IC one reads as though it is only related to Necromancers caught with undead and unable to pay their fines.
FM.
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Post by Orchid on Jun 20, 2018 9:01:03 GMT -5
Undead are presently ic outlawed due to events that happend in game. any chance the steel regent might roll back those laws *wink wink, nudge nudge* There are plenty of people who actively, and regularly use undead. It's just a matter of considering when, and if relevant, who with, to summon undead. Vet your party and/or, don't walk by Purple Dragon Knights with your undead in plain view, make them invisible, or unsummon them or similar. |
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Post by DM Hawk on Jun 20, 2018 9:13:22 GMT -5
It would be neat if a DM could clear up the thread though, moving the information that is no longer relevant out (perhaps to be archived elsewhere that it doesn't clog things up but also isn't lost as a historical piece characters can research). Then again I'd probably do it up as several posts, with an index post with links that skip down to the various plaints which have the listed punishment for the crime, would fix up the obvious mistakes as well like Unregistered Spellcaster being a serious crime yet it's clarification being listed under a severe crime. I'd probably want them to also clarify which which of the following applies in the case of a person unable to pay a find, yet not being arrested for necromancy as I've seen both ways used even though that isn't the way the laws are written down.
This OOC clarification reads as though it applies to all instances of unable to pay for such except where otherwise noted, if this isn't the case, what is the point of it being present at all let alone as an OOC note and why have the necromancer specific one? just combine it as a general statement if the necromancer one actually is used in all instances.
This IC one reads as though it is only related to Necromancers caught with undead and unable to pay their fines.
FM.
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*wink wink, nudge nudge*
