Templar
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A female dwarf?! No really! What do you play?
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Post by Templar on May 22, 2018 0:46:57 GMT -5
Is there one? Can we make one? With so few people that play and it being hard to remember where everything is (for me at least) I'd like to put a bunch of minimap screen's togather to form a map to use as a guide and IC post fliers around to get others to help out mapping the world.
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Post by FlyingMidget on May 22, 2018 1:25:03 GMT -5
There isn't one for the server itself, though you could refer to a Forgotten Realms one if you're wanting a general idea of how vast and which direction Suzail is from a different landmarks (cities/towns/forests), this is one of those things where you'll want to be very very careful distributing such if you decide to create such IC and should likely involve a DM in the process of distributing it even if just providing them a heads up of who has acquired such, how and the like.
Then again I'd say putting effort into a bit of a rough drawing of a map could have it turn out rather neat and could be alot of fun both IC and OOC tracking down information for it and coming up with a means of representing it by drawing but just piecing together mini-maps which doesn't look good and does a terrible job representing Cormyr as each server area that's outdoors represents a far larger area then you see walking in game which is part of the reason you don't just full sprint from town to town even though you know you can run flat out for over three minutes so your characters high constitution should be fine.
Of course IC items that have a custom name and description (like with the in game writing system) with a general direction of how many leagues North of Valkur's Roar it is to reach the crossroad that splits off left (west) to Shallybrook or right (east) to Suzail wouldn't be a bad idea for creating IC maps that a character could create and distribute as well in game. Other things that could be added to a text based map are a description of a "dangerous" area, like "Along the road between Suzail and Shallybrook, directly south of the Purple Dragon check point is territory of a dangerous tribe of Frost Giants" (This one is a made up spot just to show a possible representation of giving warnings to the dangers along a particular section of Cormyrean roads)
FM.
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Post by Lady Frost on May 22, 2018 1:32:23 GMT -5
That would only /kinda/ work. A lot of the areas, when you draw them up, map to map, don't fit too well and would make a very odd shaped 'map'. You can try though!
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Post by mandene on May 22, 2018 2:26:18 GMT -5
I've been working on one from time to time on and off ("IC", for IC reasons) - but there's a lot of the server to cover (even if it's only outdoor, aboveground areas). I manage around 3 areas per ½ - 1 h, and there's at least several hundred of them. As Lady Frost said, the fitting of them is kind of a bother.
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Post by DM Hawk on May 22, 2018 7:21:24 GMT -5
Sounds like fun We do want to be careful of metagaming and spoilers though, especially for new players. That said, having a map drawn by a character based on their experience and intelligence (and flaws therein) could produce some neat roleplay. With this in mind, I'd like to discourage the creation of a jigsaw puzzle of mini-maps. That would probably be too spoilery. If someone has drawn a map through a program or by hand based on their character's personal experience though it could be fun to see. Please share a map with a member of the DM Team before posting though, just to make sure it isn't crossing into spoiler territory.
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Post by StabbingNirvana on May 22, 2018 10:21:30 GMT -5
The Triad tried this once on a much smaller scale for the Hullack but for one reason or another it fell through. It required a bit of technical computer know-how (copy and paste is tough!) and a significant amount of time and energy. Always seemed like a cool idea though for those that are willing to put in the effort.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 11:43:43 GMT -5
The Triad tried this once on a much smaller scale for the Hullack but for one reason or another it fell through. It required a bit of technical computer know-how (copy and paste is tough!) and a significant amount of time and energy. Always seemed like a cool idea though for those that are willing to put in the effort.
It is not difficult, but it is tedious to accomplish since not all maps are easy to reveal in their entirety due to foes and/or terrain features. (Though there is a mean ingame to reveal maps)
First, you need to take a screenshot, then copy and paste it to Paint. With the Crop tool, cut the area of the minimap and paste it onto a new blank Paint file.
You simply need to be mindful of where to paste it, so that following minimaps can fit nicely as well.
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Post by Orchid on May 22, 2018 12:01:36 GMT -5
Sounds like fun We do want to be careful of metagaming and spoilers though, especially for new players. That said, having a map drawn by a character based on their experience and intelligence (and flaws therein) could produce some neat roleplay. With this in mind, I'd like to discourage the creation of a jigsaw puzzle of mini-maps. That would probably be too spoilery. If someone has drawn a map through a program or by hand based on their character's personal experience though it could be fun to see. Please share a map with a member of the DM Team before posting though, just to make sure it isn't crossing into spoiler territory. Easiest way to handle this is instead of posting the map, just make a post"I have a map of FRC, dm me if you want it." Problem solved.
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FRC Map.
May 22, 2018 12:13:53 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by PhatDorf on May 22, 2018 12:13:53 GMT -5
I think the intent here is ooc sharing isn't role-playing. That said, having a map drawn by a character based on their experience and intelligence (and flaws therein) could produce some neat roleplay. Why not make it an IC matter, Orchid? Have some PC cartographer selling maps, travelling with goons to scout and map more areas, etc. Once someone buys them, easy to use notepaper in-game to represent the map, and PM them the one they bought.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 12:15:30 GMT -5
I have maps centered on each town showing how the areas connect to each other, along with a complete description of the contents of each area. My completed map of the Greatgaunt area (from the outskirts of Skull Crag and Valkur's Roar, to the Thayan enclave, Zorastryl Keep, and all of Bramblewood) is a thing of beauty in my view lol.
All my maps are limited to places that can be solo explored by me. The computer skills are not the problem in my view. The problem is that it is a very rare group that has the patience to thoroughly explore every nook and cranny of an area, and then wait while the map maker takes his notes. So almost all my maps were done solo.
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FRC Map.
May 22, 2018 12:22:07 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by PhatDorf on May 22, 2018 12:22:07 GMT -5
Sad to hear that, Billy :/. There are good folks around who are patient and eager to immerse and take the time to see stuff like that through, though. I have my paladin see to any dead she finds out in the field, cleaning them up and making them a touch more dignified and praying, before moving on. I travel on the regular with another priestess who does the same, seeing last rites and taking the time to get involved in the areas and details. Maybe we can hang out sometime if the fancy takes ya
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FRC Map.
May 22, 2018 12:41:32 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by PhatDorf on May 22, 2018 12:41:32 GMT -5
As I remember, map is game item. By this reason I was sure it can be crafted. If map can not be game element, it is useless. Disagree on it being useless. However, there is a map-item usable in game yes.
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Post by iangallowglas on May 22, 2018 12:55:57 GMT -5
Purple Dragon squires have done this in the past as part of their requirements prior to taking the trials. These maps were of the roads and how they connected the cities. I don't believe there were maps of wilderness areas. There could be, but it's been a few years since I was in the guild, so I don't know for sure.
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Post by Orchid on May 22, 2018 13:02:32 GMT -5
I think the intent here is ooc sharing isn't role-playing. That said, having a map drawn by a character based on their experience and intelligence (and flaws therein) could produce some neat roleplay. Why not make it an IC matter, Orchid? Have some PC cartographer selling maps, travelling with goons to scout and map more areas, etc. Once someone buys them, easy to use notepaper in-game to represent the map, and PM them the one they bought. This already exists in game, there are charge maps that reveal an entire cell on use. It was made and says so on the item, unless the description is a fallacy. Supposedly though, people have done exactly this. I'm not saying it can't be done again, but his contention of posting it on forums, and spoilering the server is an ooc concern, hence my addressing it with a solution regarding the ooc component. Unless I misunderstand the genesis of Hawk's concern, in which I ask it be clarified. You can do the ooc sharing, and the RP of it all, separately and/or together. Call it personal bias, confirmation bias, my railing against the whole "spoiler server" thing, whichever, but I can't help but feel like this goes back to the tired, flawed, and logical fallacy argument you can't have smart mechanics and ooc practice and quality RP/immersion coexist. They can, and do. Someone being good at one does not exclude the other. I get the "don't spoiler server", I understand where it comes from. My girlfriend and I constantly argue about spoilers on everything. I abhor spoilers, I don't want to know what's coming. She loves knowing what's coming and doing so enriches the experience for her. You can't blanket statement and tell people don't ooc share stuff it's bad if they're doing it privately. I agree and endorse keeping spoilers out of public view and keeping them to consented areas, like Crunch comes to mind, where it's made clear ooc information is here spoilers are possible, or private communication, is a good practice. Again, hence my suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 17:47:54 GMT -5
Once you sell a map, it's out there and I suppose IC the buyer would be able to make copies and sell them (are there copyright laws in Cormyr? lol).
Instead of selling maps, I like the idea of selling guide services, or even just selling verbal information.
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Post by Lady Frost on May 22, 2018 18:59:56 GMT -5
Once you sell a map, it's out there and I suppose IC the buyer would be able to make copies and sell them (are there copyright laws in Cormyr? lol). Instead of selling maps, I like the idea of selling guide services, or even just selling verbal information. Elminster's Forgotten Realms: "Most places in the Realms have nothing resembling real-world libel and slander laws. Also, aside from prohibitions against copying or counterfeiting the words of royalty or nobility, or the decrees of magisters or guildmasters, nothing really approaching modern real-world copyright law exists in the Realms. Many popular works exist in hundreds or thousands of copies. Many of these copies may exist from merchants who notice a particular title is selling briskly and hold a copy to serve as a master while they print new ones. The original author rarely gets paid anything for these later editions, and might never know of their existence."
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Post by malclave on May 22, 2018 19:40:15 GMT -5
(are there copyright laws in Cormyr? lol). Closest thing I can think of is the Curse of Mystra for copying a wizard's sigil with the intent to deceive. Sure, the saves are only DC 15 Will saves, but do you you really want to risk permanent Strength, Intelligence, and Wisdom drain?
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Post by nemusator on May 23, 2018 9:07:10 GMT -5
I had some really nice RP explaining locations of certain places IC. I have mapped large area of Hullack in a simple and effective way. Like: area before inn, go North, than West, than... And there is... And so on. Did it also for Stonelands and lots of dungeons. Simply written all the data in my journal and always glad to "draw" maps and explain someone how to get to somewhere for free. I never felt a need to add: these monsters in this area, that can be found in that etc., but not a problem to add info to it. It is a map completely of text though, but it does the job.
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Post by Dobian on May 23, 2018 21:14:50 GMT -5
I'd like to take a stab at a map, a traditional hand-drawn looking one that captures the layout of all the notable locations. Maybe burn it around the edges to give it a piratey feel, arrrrrgghh!
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Post by utran on Jun 14, 2018 8:20:57 GMT -5
I am currently developing a map from minimaps - I always make one on a new server :-). My guess is - do the same.
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