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Post by DOT on Nov 11, 2014 16:00:43 GMT -5
So I was doing some reading, considering possible avenues to follow depending on what happens IC for my main. forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_guard
If my NG character performs the actions of a gray guard (who is LG according to the link), is it allowed to rp oneself as that prc (ie IC actions > alignment), or is the alignment and class a strict requirement?
At the moment I rp my NG character as close to LG as I can (when I'm not playing on minimum hours of rest and goofing off  ), without actually being lawful good due to mechanic limitations.... seems to work alright so far.
Does he have to mechanically be a LG paladin to consider himself that prc for rp's sake? Or perhaps if someone knows of any other alternative prestige classes that are similar without resorting to something as 'simple' as "he's a ng bard... that works". I know I cant meet the mechanic requirements of some of the gray guard abilities (ex. lay on hands), but feel that the rp would be appropriate enough.
If im interpreting the rp class incorrectly, let me know... as it is I kind view it in a similar manner as I view batman. EDIT: after reading more on the prc, its different from what Im used to... more confusing more 'gray' area... but I think I'm ready for the rp challenge should it come.
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Post by Munroe on Nov 11, 2014 22:48:12 GMT -5
So I was doing some reading, considering possible avenues to follow depending on what happens IC for my main. forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_guard
If my NG character performs the actions of a gray guard (who is LG according to the link), is it allowed to rp oneself as that prc (ie IC actions > alignment), or is the alignment and class a strict requirement?
At the moment I rp my NG character as close to LG as I can (when I'm not playing on minimum hours of rest and goofing off ), without actually being lawful good due to mechanic limitations.... seems to work alright so far.
Does he have to mechanically be a LG paladin to consider himself that prc for rp's sake? Or perhaps if someone knows of any other alternative prestige classes that are similar without resorting to something as 'simple' as "he's a ng bard... that works". I know I cant meet the mechanic requirements of some of the gray guard abilities (ex. lay on hands), but feel that the rp would be appropriate enough.
If im interpreting the rp class incorrectly, let me know... as it is I kind view it in a similar manner as I view batman. EDIT: after reading more on the prc, its different from what Im used to... more confusing more 'gray' area... but I think I'm ready for the rp challenge should it come.
Gray Guards aren't just Lawful Good, they ARE paladins. It's a paladin prestige class from Complete Scoundrel. Anyone roleplaying an actual Gray Guard-type character would be playing a paladin. You can roleplay in-character actions are more important to your character than his alignment, but that doesn't make your bard into a gray guard, it just makes him a person. However, as you've described your character, if you're actually playing Lawful Good and only stuck Neutral Good on your sheet for mechanical reasons, then you shouldn't be able to progress further as a bard. We do expect people to play their character's alignments, or those alignments will be shifted to the alignment they are playing. Yes, a character who is a Gray Guard would have to be a Lawful Good paladin. Playing such a morally ambiguous ends-justify-the-means paladin on FRC is likely to cause a loss of paladinhood if it's kept up though, since gray guards aren't part of the standard paladin class, but a prestige class that isn't specifically supported on FRC, and which bends the rules of the standard paladin class. I wouldn't say the allusion to Batman is accurate, but I'm not going to delve into what classes I personally think would build Batman. If your guy wants to think of himself as a gray guard, it is within his power to think of himself however he wishes. He can think of himself as a dyed-in-the-wool paladin but thinking it doesn't make it so. As a bard, he won't be a gray guard, but there's nothing to stop him from imagining himself as one, except that pesky Lawful Good alignment issue. That really doesn't prevent him from imagining himself as a gray guard, it just prevents him from accurately representing one (since he can't be Lawful Good). Of course if you're looking for an actual mechanical divine class, a bard can qualify for divine champion (even as a faithful of Torm) since it only requires non-evil, Weapon Focus, and a BAB +7 to qualify. (And patron deity Torm RP-wise to be a champion of Torm himself.) Such a bard/divine champion could even be Neutral Good with no problems. If you're looking for more roleplay flavor that could suit a bard better, there's also the divine seeker prestige class that isn't represented in NWN. It's in Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3e and revised in Player's Guide to Faerûn 3.5e. It's a bit more suited to rogues, perhaps, since it grants sneak attack as a class feature, but it's a divine class for utility characters such as rogues and bards. Since you linked to that wiki for Gray Guard, here's the link there for Divine Seeker: Divine Seeker on FR Wiki. (I generally take anything I read there with a grain of salt though, they mix editions some in my experience.) |
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Post by DOT on Nov 12, 2014 0:12:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the in depth, it does seem more complicated now with a clearer picture, I might have to make a different character for that prc I'm thinkin (don't think bard palis are allowed even with the alignment shift)... still its such an interesting prc I think I will have to try it out at some point in the future. I'll look more into that divine seeker... seems a cleaner fit given alignment rules and rp.
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Nov 12, 2014 22:28:53 GMT -5
Is DM approval required to become a gray guard?
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Post by Munroe on Nov 12, 2014 22:39:25 GMT -5
Is DM approval required to become a gray guard? Gray Guard would fall outside the expectations of a paladin for FRC. |
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Post by StabbingNirvana on Nov 12, 2014 22:40:22 GMT -5
So no?
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Post by Munroe on Nov 12, 2014 23:06:22 GMT -5
We expect all our paladins to play to the same paladin standard, so gray guard isn't an option we'd look to enable so that some paladins wouldn't have to play up to that same standard.
In other words, don't play a gray guard.
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Post by DOT on Nov 12, 2014 23:34:22 GMT -5
kk good to know
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Post by Munroe on Nov 13, 2014 0:05:10 GMT -5
Now, playing a bard who thinks of himself as a gray guard is a little different. I hope that was clear. |
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Post by DOT on Nov 13, 2014 0:15:03 GMT -5
Yeah I think so.
A bard who thinks himself a gray guard is feasible, but perhaps somewhat delusional. The bard may fancy himself a gray guard (or fancy himself anything else for that matter), but he is not truly one as he is not a paladin and does not suffer from the negative effects of 'stepping out of line too much' as a paladin would.
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Post by DM Sauron on Mar 28, 2018 8:32:32 GMT -5
Bump!
Simply because Smeagol thought this would avoid confussion and trouble for some in the near future.
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), without actually being lawful good due to mechanic limitations.... seems to work alright so far.
