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Post by Syd's Blue Sky on Mar 3, 2013 1:59:00 GMT -5
. . .or a wizard who summons horrible demons for chats with only a crappy chalk circles between them and horrific doom. Sorcerers use nothing but flawless hair and a abs made of basalt. Wizards are cowards.
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Post by Thrym on Mar 3, 2013 7:30:40 GMT -5
Even assuming those stories are not hyberbole for a moment... 400 vs 8 means each of em had to kill 50. Have you ever soloed the kobold cave with a level 6 character? Betcha you killed more than 50, and the optimization ceiling in PnP is way higher than in NWN. The only reason to assume these guys were high level is if you assume their oponents were high level, of which there is absolutely no indication. Okay, I gotta chime in here. If you want to know what levels of physical skill some people are able to achieve? Try this on for size. Go and find a treadmill that can reach a speed of 12.5 miles per hour. Get on the treadmill at that speed and see what it feels like to run at that speed. (For most people who aren't serious runners and some who are, it's a fast sprint.) Now imagine sustaining that speed not for the 30 seconds that it will take most people to fall off the treadmill, but sustaining it for a little over two hours, because 12.5 miles per hour is the speed that world record holders sustain for a marathon. On average. Up hills and down hills and around corners. It's insane. I've been close enough to world record runners to at least spend a little time running with them, shaking hands, that sort of thing. They float across the ground like ghosts. The handshake of a world class runner, without even working on hand strength, is like taking a hold of a lump of iron with a pulse. It's unbelievable. And that's the untrained hand of an athlete who works most with their legs and cardiovascular system in a way that's not even aimed at muscle power. If you think people can't achieve almost otherworldly levels of performance and strength ... I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Provably, demonstrably wrong. 12.5 miles --> 66.000ft --> 110ft / round --> A normal human has a speed of 30 ft per round, meaning he has to use a run action to do this, which'll tire him out and make it impossible to hold this speed very long. If you can get your movement speed to 55ft per round, you can comfily do it as a double-move every round, for hours if you want to. DnD doesn't hand out many movement speed increases. In Core, this takes a level 9 monk or Barb 1/Monk 6. Outside of Core, you can do it with a level 1 Barbarian with the feats Quick of Foot and Dash. Nobody argues RL world people can't do awesome stuff. But the thing is: These awesome things are doable by low levels optimized for the job, and anyone holding any sort of world record or such is obviously 'optimized for the job'. That doesn't make them any less awesome, it just makes them low-level by DnD-Standards. You and me and most other people posting here are level 1 or 2 commoners or experts, if you were in the army, your levels are maybe in warrior instead. From our point of view, the human point of view, the feats level 6 PCs can achieve are otherwordly, because a level 6 character is already way beyond anything you or me will ever achieve (unless you are really, really awesome).
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abby
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Post by abby on Feb 15, 2019 16:40:15 GMT -5
That’s why I love low levels.... where level 6 is impressive, level 10 is a champion and level 17 is a legend (Drizzit is level 17) where dragons are terrifying. Can you imagine?
Anyway, yes this topic is great and sums it up pretty well.
“Those who can grab and use other human beings as nunchucks have big muscles. Im not sure on what level this can possibly be argued with.” Haha I swear you people don’t appreciate my sense of humor!
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Andros
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Post by Andros on Feb 17, 2019 1:39:06 GMT -5
I think character looks result from the combination of stats not just from one. Someone with 18 strength and 8 constitution won’t look like Arnold Scwharzenneger even if he is just as strong.
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Post by Razgriz on Feb 17, 2019 1:54:46 GMT -5
I think character looks result from the combination of stats not just from one. Someone with 18 strength and 8 constitution won’t look like Arnold Scwharzenneger even if he is just as strong. Agreed. I think this is the formula, but maybe it does not apply for the Forgotten Realms (STR + CON / 8) + CHA / 2 + 3d6 / 4 + (racial modifier)
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Post by Animayhem on Feb 17, 2019 11:43:15 GMT -5
I think character looks result from the combination of stats not just from one. Someone with 18 strength and 8 constitution won’t look like Arnold Scwharzenneger even if he is just as strong. Agreed. I think this is the formula, but maybe it does not apply for the Forgotten Realms (STR + CON / 8) + CHA / 2 + 3d6 / 4 + (racial modifier) You need to remember that not all people are d and d geeks Like alignments, a character's stats are ooc. Appearances are more than just stats. They are based on a characters upbringing. NWN in general is very limited on what you can show physically in regards to body image. Many players try and portray that with clothing. Head models are often limited in availability and what changes can be done Some heads you can change hair and eye color which makes a difference. I have seen many people with blank character sheets or rp for more which is perfectly fine. However in my opinion it would be nice if at least in the description you put height, physical appearance (aka body), hair color, eye color and maybe basic racial characteristics. that helps enhance the generic look of the models.
Portraits help as well there are many in game to choose from. This still allows "rp for more" for those you do not wish to put it out there. We also need to be careful if we are assessing people based on their professions or life callings Yes there are some "basics" to the classes but still it is how the person role plays it.
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