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Post by zDark Shadowz on Sept 1, 2011 1:10:16 GMT -5
I'm feeling sort of in a slump at the moment. I want to play here, I do, but I can't really play for any long period of time simply because... well... I'm a little bored.
I do want to play, I want to explore the world of Cormyr and role-play with its inhabitants, but I've gotten to the stage in my lvl 10s life where if I try to go anywhere new with a party, we end up retreating or dying, and running through the same old place I ran through a week ago and a week before that because its "safe"... ugh.
Asking OOC for a list of dungeons and recommended levels would probably be frowned upon as powergaming also... but with such a low XP rate it leaves little room to be able to explore the world of Cormyr in depth without having to run through the same lot of dungeons for three weeks for a level.
Leveling up may not be the point of a role-play server, but it does get boring when I can't go anywhere new with people without getting my ass handed to me. I kind of like the Action Role-play more than the social, and there's only a few people on this server that can actually hold my attention with their social RP, but since they're so great usually they're already busy on their own quests and such, or they aren't online long enough for me to find them ICly.
I end up sitting around in Greatgaunt most of the time, feeling like an intruder when a group of adventurers come by and I offer my help only to find I'm too high or too low, or they're the same level but they're going somewhere I've already been four days ago. I just... don't know what to do when there's nothing really left to do except wait... and wait. I don't like spending my RL life waiting.
What do you guys do for role-play when you've already been everywhere that's around your recommended level and you're able to do, and everyone's off still having their weekly adventures? Do you go exploring by yourself to find somewhere new, do you try gather as many people as you can and get a heated discussion about something or other going? That's my question, 'cause I'm bored revisiting the same old places, and having nothing new to talk about with people... What do you do for role-play?
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Post by Lady Frost on Sept 1, 2011 2:31:25 GMT -5
As someone who is mostly adventured out, my favorite thing to do here is get on Zoe and talk religious or personal views. It's usually hard to find competent company but with the right group I can talk for hours and hours. Sit her up with Gerard, Lustig, Ailren & the Lich Icingdwell and Zoe would go forever.
I'm not really the norm though I don't think. Honestly I could sit in GG and not move or say anything for hours and only watch others RP.
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Post by tarus on Sept 1, 2011 3:12:10 GMT -5
Well, when I'm on Tonall, it's easy to stand there and RP conversations. I mean let's face it... the guy stands out and draws attention and his pure bonkers view of the world is just hilarious for me to play out! Physically, he's a very weak party member and even worse solo, so he'll advance pretty slowly
Glenduil is the other way around... he's at that stage where with just a little more pushing he'll finally get over that hump and be a lot more productive on the battle field as a party member, but RP wise, he's stale. I need a new hook to get myself psyched up and interested in him again. Stand by for that!
So I suppose I have the best and worst of both worlds.... Just do what you can with both RP and adventuring.
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Post by FORSETIS on Sept 1, 2011 5:08:36 GMT -5
Something I did a long time ago(and got me killed alot to be honest). Was to fill in the black spots in your map of the server. Make sure you got healing, and invisi potions =). And dont forget to role play even if your alone. I enjoy rping when Im by myself as much as I do with a group. And youre never rushed when alone.
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Post by sneakingyoda on Sept 1, 2011 8:55:28 GMT -5
First of all, let me say I totally know that feeling of being in the slump.
Here are a few things that I do:
First, we're assuming that the player who is seeking role play situations and to keep things fresh simply doesn't need a break from playing the game for a few hours. Sometimes when I find myself alone or out of synch, it may be just best to take a short break and to try again later, or to change things up with another character.
But let's assume that we're on the character we want to play, and we want to be playing the game. Let's assume that we've taken our break and it really does seem like whatever we try to do, we end up in boring situations.
If it were me, I would look at my character background and what makes that character fun. Then I would attempt to act on one of those qualities. If you are surrounded by people your character has already met, but are bored with, try to break out of the box and strike up a conversation about something new. Do you really know everything there is to know about those people? Try to dig into their character a little bit. People become engaged when they have a chance to wave their flag a little bit. And most of the time, it will come full circle and help your rp with your character as well.
I think the most common problem people run into when they feel like role play isn't working, is because they expect other people to begin the scene. Sometimes we don't' have to think about this, and things fall naturally.
Most of the time though, it takes that brave person to come over and try to interact first. Meet new people. Try to talk about new things. It has been my observation that if you do this enough, people will seek you out (all sorts) for that interaction. Things will keep on moving because you're the person people can count on for game play.
Also, the OP is falling into that level gap that's a bit difficult to overcome. The only thing that will get you through it is perseverance. It gets a bit tough between 10 and 14. (At least in my experience.)
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Post by Grozer on Sept 1, 2011 10:33:28 GMT -5
I'm not really the norm though I don't think. No comment.
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Post by watcheronthewall on Sept 1, 2011 16:18:28 GMT -5
In my experience of several years on NWN rp servers, some great and some not-so-great it always comes down to one thing for me: If I don't involve myself and just stand around expecting people to come to me, it doesn't happen, or is so rare I can count it on my fingers. I think this goes for most people regardless of race/class/gender of PC.
Not meant to be a slight on anyone, simply saying that it's like real life:If you see someone you fancy at a party and never speak to them the entire night, you've only yourself to blame if you don't make that connection.
On FRC I've already had some good conversations about religious differences, the nature of magic, and other things that I as a player know verbatim but my character does not and I still have fun with it, despite playing DnD in one form or another for nearly 20 years. It's all a matter of perspective and the fact that you get out as much as you put in.
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Post by Duchess in Masquerade on Sept 1, 2011 17:08:07 GMT -5
Well if you've been bored I honestly didn't notice, I've had a great time RP'ing with you.
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Post by lowstorm on Sept 1, 2011 22:16:29 GMT -5
I have the opposite issue of you. The past week or so, I'm completely burned out on dungeons. I know, right? Try hanging around Suzail instead of GG. The marketplace there usually spawns fun trips. See a group going out that's completely outside of your characters norm? Well, jump forward and say 'hey, can I tag along? I suck, but I promise to behave'. Works like a charm every time.
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Post by sarahpharris on Sept 2, 2011 8:09:08 GMT -5
I travel about from Suzail, Greatgaunt on occasion and look for people to chat to. Be it old friends or new ones I can make, in fact I spend more time standing around chatting then I do adventuring. But let me pull up an example of what happened recently and how my character would view it.
(No names will be used to hide the peoples identity!)
A small group of three were setting out to go somewhere dangerous, my first impression of the group was this.
One I can almost trust and the other has been rude to me countless times, so I accept their help grudgingly.
Even before we get to the gates, another person shows up, this new person (person X) has the reputation of hanging around with oddballs, or if you prefer unsavoury types in my characters views. So I ask the group who this person is and if someone would translate, the only elven speaker in the party don't even bother to translate.
My view so far is this, how am I to risk my life with three other people that don't even communicate, one I think I trust and the other two, well I doubt I can trust at this moment. So I asked again about the new addition (Person X), and still got no response. Then someone new turns up, never seen this person in my life and luckily this person speaks elven (Person K). So off to a good start, so I ask who is this new person (K) and ask the question about the other person (X). So far no-ones answered, they all left town all happy to run into a dangerous place without even knowing each other.
I refused to leave town myself, as I felt I'm not going to go anywhere till I get an answer. To cut this short I left the town to ask again about the new people. Person K vouches for Person X which don't sit well on my shoulders, I have no clue who either of them is. In the end I give up and leave with the party to go to the dangerous place.
Now we stood about with ooc chatter for a good 30 mins overall, no actual meeting took place, no chance to refuse or accept. Just this is how it's going to be mindset, questions being asked OOC about what goddess I follow, what my vow is, what colour is my socks.
Honestly, role play stems from the meeting of new people and creating that bond, for me anyway. I don't pick Tom the unknown to go to slay giants with, as I have no clue who he is. It's about interacting and getting to know the person, you could end up hating them or really liking them.
But I see it goes far beyond exploring dungeons, a sensible person would not go to a party in a strange land with a complete stranger now would they?
P.s To the players of the above example, I do not mean to offend...this is how I saw the events unfold before my characters eyes.
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Post by EDM Entori on Sept 2, 2011 8:40:33 GMT -5
I travel about from Suzail, Greatgaunt on occasion and look for people to chat to. Be it old friends or new ones I can make, in fact I spend more time standing around chatting then I do adventuring. But let me pull up an example of what happened recently and how my character would view it. (No names will be used to hide the peoples identity!) A small group of three were setting out to go somewhere dangerous, my first impression of the group was this. One I can almost trust and the other has been rude to me countless times, so I accept their help grudgingly. Even before we get to the gates, another person shows up, this new person (person X) has the reputation of hanging around with oddballs, or if you prefer unsavoury types in my characters views. So I ask the group who this person is and if someone would translate, the only elven speaker in the party don't even bother to translate. My view so far is this, how am I to risk my life with three other people that don't even communicate, one I think I trust and the other two, well I doubt I can trust at this moment. So I asked again about the new addition (Person X), and still got no response. Then someone new turns up, never seen this person in my life and luckily this person speaks elven (Person K). So off to a good start, so I ask who is this new person (K) and ask the question about the other person (X). So far no-ones answered, they all left town all happy to run into a dangerous place without even knowing each other. I refused to leave town myself, as I felt I'm not going to go anywhere till I get an answer. To cut this short I left the town to ask again about the new people. Person K vouches for Person X which don't sit well on my shoulders, I have no clue who either of them is. In the end I give up and leave with the party to go to the dangerous place. Now we stood about with ooc chatter for a good 30 mins overall, no actual meeting took place, no chance to refuse or accept. Just this is how it's going to be mindset, questions being asked OOC about what goddess I follow, what my vow is, what colour is my socks. Honestly, role play stems from the meeting of new people and creating that bond, for me anyway. I don't pick Tom the unknown to go to slay giants with, as I have no clue who he is. It's about interacting and getting to know the person, you could end up hating them or really liking them. But I see it goes far beyond exploring dungeons, a sensible person would not go to a party in a strange land with a complete stranger now would they? P.s To the players of the above example, I do not mean to offend...this is how I saw the events unfold before my characters eyes. I hear you... I personally have a hard time to find people to roleplay with, to the point of getting to know other characters. many people seem to go, HEY, BOB has a SHEILD, .. he can be a frontliner.. and seemingly overlook the fact his some priest to the vaunted and your character is a paladin. not even to that extreme, but adventuring is a dangerous game, very dangerous. People generally do know each other before an adventure, especially in my mind those who tend to adventure for more then the coin. Tells should not take the place of in game talks. I've had my character been invited to a group oocly some time ago, and when the group moved off, my character went the other way. I got 3 tells "you coming".. I replied "I wasn't invited".. no one had bothered to invite him, or ask his name or so on. though When I am bored and in such circumstances I try to find a way to roleplay something docile, until it becomes aparent my character gets invited/meeets people. Several of my character have a knack for crafting things, and while RPing for oneself is ..rather boring at times.. remember your providing a good show to the DM audience. Doing so at all times, gets you on those Dm' radars. Prayers, studies, warrior drills, cleaning armor, anything you think your character could do on his/her off time helps fill the gap. as for the difficulty, I don't have much comment.. but as an advocate, I'll say its not the first time I've heard this. Bioware has a good transition screen tip though "if one tactic is not working load and try a different tactic.".. so if your character is using one set of spells, well maybe your hindering yourself. besides that... I'd say just hang in there, things come and go, and FRC has gone over a facelift, if certain areas are difficult, pass it on to the builders, if enough people comment, then the scaling may need a tweaking, good balanced parties are nice though!. ... Some people have mention that "Adventurers" are not normal people and for some reason are elevated, or twisted, making them "adventurers"... I find that a load of malarky myself, I think depending on back stories some adventurers could be normal people shoved into abnormal situations. Frankly though, sensibilities such as danger, and self preservation as a instinct. so why wouldn't people get to know each other before adventuring?.. their probably not right for the server, or don't take it seriously enough.
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Post by TrueBlueOriginal on Sept 3, 2011 0:54:48 GMT -5
I don't really know how to answer this question.
What do I do for roleplay? I find people.
Sometimes those people aren't people my character gets along with, in which case, I usually go find other people. That's also roleplay because my character is avoiding the people she doesn't get along with.
As long as someone is talkative, I can usually find -something- to talk about. I'm a bit of a simulationist so my characters will talk about the weather, or sewing, or local events, or life "back home."
If I can find people, I can usually find roleplay, unless the people are AFK or insist on talking completely OOC when I do find them. Even worse than AFK people are "mostly-AFK" people, because they act like they're RPing, but then responses are like once a minute and finally I'm like "// Are you falling asleep?" and they're like "// I'm mostly afk" or "//I'm in tells." Meanwhile I'm trying to roleplay with them. If you're going to be that unavailable, just go somewhere people won't find you and go afk. You're not missing anything by doing so, and you're sparing others the waiting.
Sorry, I didn't mean to rant there.
But honestly my point is that it's easier to find RP if you try to talk about what your character might talk about, even trivialities, rather than what is just necessary.
I was, however, told to chill-out recently when I was assisting someone in-character with setting up something and they found my roleplay of certain non-existent mechanical details to be too specific (because of the simulationist aspect), so your mileage may vary.
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Post by zDark Shadowz on Sept 3, 2011 2:28:08 GMT -5
Well if you've been bored I honestly didn't notice, I've had a great time RP'ing with you. Cause you're one of the few people who keep me entertained
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Post by Duchess in Masquerade on Sept 3, 2011 17:32:44 GMT -5
Yay!
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Post by danifae on Sept 3, 2011 21:48:25 GMT -5
Hmm, what do I do for rp.......... Well first off, everyone has those times where your bored and not sure what to do. When your low lvl, you dont really have the coin to go from city to city to see if anything exciting is going on. Of course you can walk, but maybe you dont have 4 hrs of game time so that wouldnt be so fun either. Yea, can be rough at times. When I made Kyie, things were very slow for her for a good while. Didnt get invited anywhere, but then I wasnt doing much to help with that either. I felt a little wierd I suppose with my new character. But eventually she met others and got in some good adventures. Now she dont have any problems finding rp or adventure. But still, you have the problem of "What to do". Because yes, doing the same ol things gets old and boring. However, if you do the same things, but with different people, it can be entirely different. Maybe good, maybe bad, but hopfully fun either way. Generally when I am bored I log off. I wont be fun, or have fun if I am bored, or dont feel like rp'ing. There's just no point. Least I dont think so. If you know the hot spots, you should be fine with jumping right into rp and getting invited to do things. But if all you do is stand there with your mouth closed, you may miss alot of opportunities. Step up and rp, make yourself seen and noticed. Show interest. Some people like to rp forever, and some like to adventure forever. And some like to do both mixed evenly. One thing that bores the crap out of me is, the reasons why we go adventure. Half the time its rp really quickly like "Hey, heard the orcs were stiring up problems again, we should go fix that". Yea, its rp and its reason, but LMAO, boring. Its kinda the norm I suppose. So i mostly ignore that part and have fun with the rp on the adventure. The other day Kyie and shesh were discussing heading out to visit some Lich. When in Suzail a much fun rp discussion came up about it all. Mostly because my asnwer to why we wanted to kill a lich was........"Because it exists". Yep, was actually a lame reason, and sometimes if you dont put forth efford lame things are said,lol...Anyways, it was more fun than going and "Probably getting killed" by the lich anyways. I was mostly quiet during the rp becuase I totally had rp block, but it was fun to read and watch. Pretty sure at some point I just started rambling, so this is where I quit typing
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Post by tarus on Sept 3, 2011 22:05:39 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my favorite RP reason to enter a dungeon. "The drow are acting up. We should go quell the threat before more people are killed." "You're right! Let us leave now! We haven't a moment to lose!" This is almost always done after 4 hours of idle chat in town which makes me wonder how long the PC knew about the drow threat and why it's now suddenly a huge deal that they hurry. A better way to approach this would be to have a PC come running into town fighting for air and say something like: "*gasps for breath* I just saw the orcs massing for an assault on the village! *a few more gasps for air* Come on! We don't have anytime to lose! Grab your weapons!" See? That makes a LOT more sense than sitting in town all day and THEN coming up with this huge threat that apparently your PC's known about the whole time but NOW all of a sudden your PC thinks it's a big deal. See this very often Anytime someone comes up with a threat like this as a way to get people into a dungeon, but does so in a very sloppy manner as I have described I always opt out since if it was really a huge important problem that needed solving quickly then the PC should have brought it up hours ago. "Do you have any plans?" "No" "Well, I heard the malarites have been causing problems and leaving their forests to wreak havok on the surrounding lands." "Is there any danger to the villages?" "I would definitely say yes. We should deal with this quickly" "How long have you been standing here?" Just saying that there are better ways to RP a threat
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Post by kaltorac on Sept 4, 2011 9:46:06 GMT -5
*envisions 3 Epic PCs pushing off the fence in Greatgaunt and rushing east to decimate the orcs before a low level party is even formed*
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Post by elysiumfields on Sept 10, 2011 11:16:34 GMT -5
Role play wise it's all there. You just have to know who to group with that fits in with your style.
You'll see definite trends in DM plots and if you can get in with the same group of players that are involved with them you're in for a good time, but don't expect much more than a peripheral involvement on that front until you're approaching level 20.
As for places to go? Hit me up on the weekends and join our regular Pirates adventure. It's challenging but rewarding and a great spring board to meeting 5-10 people I really enjoy playing with.
They've probably gone out already without me this week as I have a busy schedule but it's always fun and without fail leads to other things to get dirty with.
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Post by darinder on Sept 10, 2011 11:31:08 GMT -5
You'll see definite trends in DM plots and if you can get in with the same group of players that are involved with them you're in for a good time, but don't expect much more than a peripheral involvement on that front until you're approaching level 20. Say what? I've been in events run by DMs that were specifically targeted at chars <= level 5. On top of that, my level 13 (and then 14) archer was the lead character in a plot for a time. Any character can spark a DM's interest (or better yet, the interest of your fellow players), regardless of level. With regard to roleplaying and plots in general, a DM isn't always absolutely necessary. Sure, they can really add that extra something (and your august attentions are always welcome by some of us, regardless of the nature of said attention ) but player-driven (or better yet, player s-driven) plots can be pretty damn awesome too.
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Post by urghargh on Sept 10, 2011 12:19:16 GMT -5
What do you mean, "what do you do for roleplay"? I play FRC! I'm not even going to read the OP (and I always do) because the title is so blatantly pointed in a negative way. Kottle, bit fiesty there...maybe gentler tones? If you'd read the OP, then you would perhaps not have misconstrued the title...the OP's original post is not negative and explains the title, just asking some good questions like this: Nothing negative about that, just someone needing some imaginatory sparks from perhaps more experienced players like you.
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Post by elysiumfields on Sept 10, 2011 14:58:31 GMT -5
You'll see definite trends in DM plots and if you can get in with the same group of players that are involved with them you're in for a good time, but don't expect much more than a peripheral involvement on that front until you're approaching level 20. Say what? I've been in events run by DMs that were specifically targeted at chars <= level 5. On top of that, my level 13 (and then 14) archer was the lead character in a plot for a time. Any character can spark a DM's interest (or better yet, the interest of your fellow players), regardless of level. With regard to roleplaying and plots in general, a DM isn't always absolutely necessary. Sure, they can really add that extra something (and your august attentions are always welcome by some of us, regardless of the nature of said attention ) but player-driven (or better yet, player s-driven) plots can be pretty damn awesome too. I can only comment on personal experience. I've not had a character be a central player in anything, then again would I expect a Smith or a Paladin of Hoar to be central characters? Never. There are bigger plots my characters are not likely to be involved with and far squeakier wheels that get attention. I know Savoire Faire puts a lot of time in with the lowbies, I'm a benefactor of his/her awesome work, but the OP is already beyond level 10 so I omitted it as un-necessary to comment on. Fact is; unless it has been as a new character or out with them when they are playing their characters, almost all of my DM involvement has been either when playing with specific characters or in a quest involving them or revolving around them. It really was just a comment on the trends I notice. Take it or leave it. That's not an indictment against the DMs, not by a long shot. I'm not complaining at all and I enjoy my evenings with them all whether they are dming or not.
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Sept 10, 2011 15:13:04 GMT -5
Being a 'central character' is not all it's cracked up to be - or, at least, not in a community like FRC.
Once upon a time, my character was one of the central components of a large-scale overarching plot. I'm sure everyone remembers Gerard and Vorel's ordeal with Robert Cadalanter III. It was the best time I've ever had playing Neverwinter Nights, with the best DM direction I've ever had in Neverwinter Nights, with the best players I've ever played with on Neverwinter Nights. We made a story, among two different factions, nearly a dozen PCs, across the width and breadth of Cormyr, and we tried to bring EVERYONE into it, to share the amazing fun we were having - the charged, dramatic, meaningful role play we engaged in every day.
And we were called DM pets, we were called powergamers and the DM we played with was accused of favoritism. We heard repeatedly on this forum how our fun was not fair, because other players were not willing to step up and take part in the plot - not that they couldn't, just that they wouldn't. Eventually, it broke up our gaming group. I actually wound up not talking to people that I considered some of my best online friends EVER because of this community's outrage and harmful words towards myself, my girlfriend, and those people we played with. We had fantastic role play, and instead of appreciating that, people destroyed it. That was the point at which I stopped giving a damn about Neverwinter Nights, and that persists to this day.
Be happy that you can log onto FRC and relax. Be happy that you're not integral to a DM's plot. Be happy that your characters can interact with many characters, and many players, and that you have no negative connotation to your logging in. You will lose your heart for this game if you wind up too involved in something. And if you feel like you're not having your wishes for role play fulfilled? Log out, play a different game, and come back later. I promise you'll click into something eventually.
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Post by lowstorm on Sept 11, 2011 0:24:15 GMT -5
Sometimes its not 'couldn't ' or 'wouldn't ' Its a matter of 'how do I?' and that's not very easily answerable, at the end of the day.
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Post by The Flying Ve on Sept 11, 2011 7:24:58 GMT -5
Oh, oh, oh...a "how?" question. As Nike the wise once said: "Just do it."
If you're not sure how to do something? Look it up if you have to(DnD has rules for pretty much everything; it's creepy). If not, improvise. As long as everyone's having fun, who cares if your necrotic invocation of doom or pixie-stix cook-out is a wee bit off?
OK, someone will care, somewhere, but I'll echo glandash here and plop up a middle finger to the critics.
I also commend everyone who gets out of the square on any RP server and goes to do something aside talking of the weather. (I'm a big hater of "square RP" myself, aside maybe class-specific stuff like the bard's many forms of artistic expression that need a crowd; well, don't need one...but you want one!) Seriously, if you have the thought: "I want to go do something awesomely class specific..." gather up some potentially like-minded folk, head out of town and see where it lands. So...you took Joe The Paladin to your demon sacrifice? Mistake? Maybe. Opportunity? On all sides, most definately...
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Sept 11, 2011 10:51:44 GMT -5
Sometimes its not 'couldn't ' or 'wouldn't ' Its a matter of 'how do I?' and that's not very easily answerable, at the end of the day. Very easily answerable. /tell "player X" Hey, can I join you guys? It's that simple.
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Post by EDM Entori on Sept 11, 2011 17:12:27 GMT -5
Sometimes its not 'couldn't ' or 'wouldn't ' Its a matter of 'how do I?' and that's not very easily answerable, at the end of the day. Very easily answerable. /tell "player X" Hey, can I join you guys? It's that simple. or deal with it IC, and greet and meet IC. "do you need another, introduce self"
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Post by The Supreme Watcher on Sept 11, 2011 21:38:07 GMT -5
You're right, Entori, and that is the preferred method, but meeting people out of character, and segueing into role play is often a much more... welcoming method of meeting people online. There's a reason you go into a chat room with people before you get into a match in most online games!
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Post by ramir on Sept 12, 2011 7:14:35 GMT -5
For Roleplay... honestly, I log in... I send a few tells to the people I play with fairly oftens... if they are all busy I will wander for a while. If I don't find anything within about a half hour, I log and go do something else. I used to spend hours looking for roleplay, but, there is to much negativity among players and so forth. This resulted in me sticking with the few people I know just want to play.
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Post by lowstorm on Sept 12, 2011 7:18:11 GMT -5
This is what I was talking about. Not roleplaying with others.
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